<![CDATA[Id like to see the Browns def emulate something from the texans D next year....]]> I still think we need to pick up a big LDE either in the draft or FA, but i like what the texans do with their front 7. They run their base 4-3 most of the time and use mercilus as the 5th rusher sometimes. Then in their nickel packages they bring up mercilus to the line as the 34 olb'er and move watt back to his old 5 tech spot...

We have the RDE and the olb'er (Avery) in this equation.....

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@texasag1969 said:

Walter football has him rounds 2-4, CBS out of the 1st (they only do one at the moment),  draftwire early 2nd. I'd take LSUs White before either of those mentioned.

Well I guess we'll see what happens. It will all come down to how comfortable the NFL is with his size, because he can do everything else. 

Then again, he might not even come out.

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@mld-woody said:

Kiper has Bush at #10 overall

McShay has him going #21 to the Ravens

Walter football has him rounds 2-4, CBS out of the 1st (they only do one at the moment),  draftwire early 2nd. I'd take LSUs White before either of those mentioned.

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@texasag1969 said:

By late second? I doubt it. Too many good defenders ahead of him.

Kiper has Bush at #10 overall

McShay has him going #21 to the Ravens

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@clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

A 4-3 is a 4-3. Two DTs, two edge, 3 LBs.

3-4 has one NT, 2 ends, and 2 MLBs.

am I missing something?

4 man fronts have a 'nose' assignment in classic terminology.   And what are the personnel like in your 43?  Ive seen peppers align in our base looks as a 43 stack backer but that would be a nickel personnel. 

In a 34 you don't always have a traditional 350lb nose in some 1 gap schemes - Ask Wade philips.  

If you're using simple,  base defense terms then sure,  that's fine.   But that isn't how football works much anymore and if you think 1 gap hogging monsters can't work in a 4 man front and that you need two "DT" s...then I'll be happy to provide you with plenty of examples to the counter. 

What about odd or ENT fronts and using a 2pt backer on the end?     So many ways to align that being so simple is criminal. 

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@mld-woody said:

Bush is gonna be long gone by then man...

By late second? I doubt it. Too many good defenders ahead of him.

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@clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

A 4-3 is a 4-3. Two DTs, two edge, 3 LBs.

3-4 has one NT, 2 ends, and 2 MLBs.

am I missing something?

1 NT, 1 DT, 1 DT/DE   

If we're nitty pickin

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@tiamat63 said:

My term of preference depends on the philosophy and coach.

A 4-3 is a 4-3. Two DTs, two edge, 3 LBs.

3-4 has one NT, 2 ends, and 2 MLBs.

am I missing something?

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@clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

What is your term of preference, good sir?

My term of preference depends on the philosophy and coach.

@tour2ma said:

Right now, no, but players grow and I think Avery has already shown growth.

Of course the other side of my comment is Kirk's game. Clearly he's regressed this season. The question is why. If due to injury, then he has a shot at holding Avery off. However, if it's not...

Avery has shown growth but positioning him to take over as a full time WLB might be asking much.   I don't think he's fluid enough laterally and downfield to cover well plus those snaps would take away from what he has shown to be solid at - rushing the passer.  

@mld-woody said:

You're not concerned about his size?

Depends on where we align him and who we place in front of him.  But his ability to run, hit, tackle and cover is pretty evident to my eyes.   He's listed as 6'1 235 so that means he's 6'0 225-230ish.   Really he isn't much smaller than Kirksey.

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@texasag1969 said:

I can see Bush as a late 2nd to early 4th round pick. If we want a LB as our 2nd round pick, there are better ones out there. All depends on our last 3 games where we are in the draft order and who Dorsey wants added to round out this team.

Bush is gonna be long gone by then man...

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@clevfan4life said:

Mcshay has us taking some monster DT from miss st

Todd's changed his mind already?

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@tiamat63 said:

Man crush on Bush this draft.  Kid could step in for Jamie or Kirk and be an upgrade.  

I can see Bush as a late 2nd to early 4th round pick. If we want a LB as our 2nd round pick, there are better ones out there. All depends on our last 3 games where we are in the draft order and who Dorsey wants added to round out this team.

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@tiamat63 said:

Man crush on Bush this draft.  Kid could step in for Jamie or Kirk and be an upgrade.  

You're not concerned about his size?

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@tiamat63 said:

Man crush on Bush this draft.  Kid could step in for Jamie or Kirk and be an upgrade.  

If he steps in for Jamie Kirk does that make him Picard 

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@mld-woody said:

Sure. I'm not sure if he'd be an end though. He's being projected at OLB. Ogbah is bigger too. 

Better chance we take Gary (or Bush) than Winovich I think.

Man crush on Bush this draft.  Kid could step in for Jamie or Kirk and be an upgrade.  

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@tiamat63 said:

Actually if we were looking at upgrading Ogbah he would be more in that mold than,  say,  Josh Allen. 

Sure. I'm not sure if he'd be an end though. He's being projected at OLB. Ogbah is bigger too. 

Better chance we take Gary (or Bush) than Winovich I think.

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@mld-woody said:

He probably doesn't really fit what we're looking for right now anyway....

just saying...

Actually if we were looking at upgrading Ogbah he would be more in that mold than,  say,  Josh Allen. 

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@tiamat63 said:

Solid pass on captain "mirage" There.  

He probably doesn't really fit what we're looking for right now anyway....

just saying...

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@mld-woody said:

PFF loved Hurst.

They love Winovich this year. 

Maybe we start alternating high picks on OSU and Michigan players now? 🙂

Solid pass on captain "mirage" There.  

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@clevfan4life said:

Im not that high on rashan as of now. We missed on hurst tho, i called that one....

PFF loved Hurst.

They love Winovich this year. 

Maybe we start alternating high picks on OSU and Michigan players now? 🙂

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@tiamat63 said:

You honestly see Avery not as a liability in that full time role? 

Right now, no, but players grow and I think Avery has already shown growth.

Of course the other side of my comment is Kirk's game. Clearly he's regressed this season. The question is why. If due to injury, then he has a shot at holding Avery off. However, if it's not...

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@tiamat63 said:

Again with outdated terms. 

What is your term of preference, good sir?

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