@hoorta said:

And for the young 'uns we should tell them the true story of the Dawg House parked in front of the Dawg Pound at the old stadium. It was a very nice looking Dawg House BTW, but I couldn't find a picture of it. Was there for years at every game, until one of the stadium cops noticed it took four guys to bring it in, but only two guys to carry it out. Seems the house had a keg of beer inside.   

I bet BK was leading the team the last time you ate a milkbone. I know I haven’t tasted one since then myself.  And you younger fans.....you could not watch a Browns game without a box of Dawg treats around. Milkbone seemed to be most popular. Kinda bland but go well with beer and Browns wins.  Oh ya, when it comes to the 80s, we did win more  reg season games than anyone. 

 And remember pups, a milkbone a day keeps the dentist away?

@hoorta said:

And for the young 'uns we should tell them the true story of the Dawg House parked in front of the Dawg Pound at the old stadium. It was a very nice looking Dawg House BTW, but I couldn't find a picture of it. Was there for years at every game, until one of the stadium cops noticed it took four guys to bring it in, but only two guys to carry it out. Seems the house had a keg of beer inside.   

It’s kinda shameful that the younger fans have never had a team they can have some fun following.  

 The twitter account of Lt Baker Mayfield is fun. I mean Carolina Cat Fanciers?? That’s some funny stuff. And this weekend it’s Huey Lewis and the mews.  There’s more to football life than bitching about things. I’m having fun with a fun team. Or as Gen Dorsey says, it’s time to waken this sleeping giant fan base

@flyingfooldoug said:

That was before the metal detectors and strip searches to get in

And for the young 'uns we should tell them the true story of the Dawg House parked in front of the Dawg Pound at the old stadium. It was a very nice looking Dawg House BTW, but I couldn't find a picture of it. Was there for years at every game, until one of the stadium cops noticed it took four guys to bring it in, but only two guys to carry it out. Seems the house had a keg of beer inside.   

@orion said:

...and we threw snowballs at Pat/Super Patriot.   Which, back then, was more exciting than the game(s)

But now we're civilized.

Heck- I remember when they threw snowballs at Santa Claus right before Christmas, and IIRC at an opposing player that got KOed within range of the Dawg Pound.  

Fiscal conversations from we fans are hilarrious. As if we understand commercial real estate on this scale? As if domed stadiums in other cities are being packed with 70,000 fans at  SRO events all off season long. As if any city can pull off enough yearly events to not only cover the costs associated with opening the stadium, but generatng enough interest to turn a meqningful profit. 

I have news for you, 7 out of 10 concerts loseoney for the house. The idea that a domed stadium is an off season profit maker is just not realirt based.

Also, the debate over tough guy versus comfort is also silly. Most of the games played i. Cleveland are played in mostly pleasant or at least tolerable weather. Home field advantage would add at most 3 cold weather risks.

As others pointed out, winning breeds rabid support. History shows fans pack cold weather stadiums for winnong teams.

There is no wrong or right choice here. It just comes down to what the owner wants. 

Sadly, I have lived to see the day when the once undying game day support for the Browns now fluctuates greatly. 

Finally we must remember that the majority of game day revenue doesn't come from the stadium. Attendance is icing on the cake, but the primary purpose of a stadium is to allow the game to be played and the TV cameras be placed.

Dome or not? Really, it is a silly discussion.

@jcam222 said:

Those of you who believe that choosing a warm dome over a cold stadium makes someone a pussy may have big balls but those balls seem to be paired with tiny brains LOL

Hell since being frozen makes you so manly you should turn off all heat in your home when you watch the game Saturday night. That would make you even tougher ?

LMA9

@clevfan4life said:

lol at all the old "snowflakes" now complaining about Cleveland weather. In my day, browns fans went to games in nov/dec in a loincloth with a sack full of D batteries ready for that Elway Twat to come near enough to em……..

That was before the metal detectors and strip searches to get in

@mark-o said:

I don't think I could feel anything at that point.   I was 11 years old.   Still remember the sound the stadium made when we all realized that the pass was intercepted.

You could have heard a pin drop after that interception. I didn't need a replay. I was in what was to become the Dawg Pound, Red Right 88 happened right in front of us- and I can still see it in my mind to this day. Hah, we couldn't feel much either- mostly because in that era high octane non-freezable adult beverages were pretty easy to get into the stadium. Yeah- I had a couple of my Alaska pals with me. When you've experienced -40 in Fairbanks, zero is Banana Belt weather by comparison. 

@mark-o said:

Christ...you're old.  

LOL, but not as old as me. I won't give you my exact age, but I was well into my 30s that year Mark.    

@diehardbrownsfan said:

I was 26,    Stationed in Japan.

I was three days short of being 29. Just starting to try to start a practice. 

@mark-o said:

Christ...you're old.  

15 years older than you!   I'm old as fuck.

@diehardbrownsfan said:

I was 26,    Stationed in Japan.

Christ...you're old.  

@dutch-oven said:

I was 5 years old. My dad had recorded the game on our relatively new VCR. 

I watched that tape over and over in the months to follow, hoping that if I watched it enough the ending would change. 

We recorded it as well but only watched it once so we could see a replay of what happened.   I have a DVD of the game here now.

@mark-o said:

I don't think I could feel anything at that point.   I was 11 years old.   Still remember the sound the stadium made when we all realized that the pass was intercepted.

I was 5 years old. My dad had recorded the game on our relatively new VCR. 

I watched that tape over and over in the months to follow, hoping that if I watched it enough the ending would change. 

@dutch-oven said:

And it probably felt even colder walking out of the Stadium after being that close to winning and advancing to the AFC Championship Game. Must have been heart-breaking. 

I don't think I could feel anything at that point.   I was 11 years old.   Still remember the sound the stadium made when we all realized that the pass was intercepted.

@mark-o said:

I was at the red right 88 game as well.  Coldest fucking day in my life.    Wind chill was like minus 25 or something.  It was crazy.  But I still remember it to this day and yes the stadium was packed.  Standing room only as I recall.

And it probably felt even colder walking out of the Stadium after being that close to winning and advancing to the AFC Championship Game. Must have been heart-breaking. 

@hoorta said:

Correct- Babushka must be pretty young. We packed the house for the infamous Red Right 88. Yeah, I was there, looked it up and the game time temperature was 4 degrees. Cold? Nah, not if you have an expedition parka- like I was wearing for the game. This wasn't football, but it was at the NHL's Winter Classic a few years ago at the University of Michigan's stadium. 13 degrees, wind chill zero- see many empty seats? Only minor problem is keeping the beer from freezing.   

It's a very simple proposition- win games, and they will come, regardless of the weather. The wimps can stay home if they think it's too cold. 

I was at the red right 88 game as well.  Coldest fucking day in my life.    Wind chill was like minus 25 or something.  It was crazy.  But I still remember it to this day and yes the stadium was packed.  Standing room only as I recall.

@ghoolie said:

Dude, the attendance would NOT go up. It might go down. The Browns have PACKED the house in the most frigid days on Earth. NEVER did we not sell out when it was cold. Honestly, you must not be much of a Browns fan, or you are pretty young....if not...you are weird................. and I don't mean to be mean, but dude.............no fucking Browns fan, no real Browns fan even wants to take a good shit in domed stadium, let alone see the Browns play in one.

WE LIVE FOR COLD, SNOWY WEATHER FOOTBALL

That is right.......just two weeks ago I attended my very first professional football game in Houston's dome.....and I declare right now that I refused to take a shit in that stadium for just that reason!!!    (but, sorry, I did have to take a piss....at my age "holding it" is not an option....and I didn't want to sit and watch the game in pants that I had pissed in....out of deference to my own comfort and in respect to the others I was wish.....so I used their pissoir's.)

@ghoolie said:

Dude, the attendance would NOT go up. It might go down. The Browns have PACKED the house in the most frigid days on Earth. NEVER did we not sell out when it was cold. Honestly, you must not be much of a Browns fan, or you are pretty young....if not...you are weird................. and I don't mean to be mean, but dude.............no fucking Browns fan, no real Browns fan even wants to take a good shit in domed stadium, let alone see the Browns play in one.

WE LIVE FOR COLD, SNOWY WEATHER FOOTBALL

Correct- Babushka must be pretty young. We packed the house for the infamous Red Right 88. Yeah, I was there, looked it up and the game time temperature was 4 degrees. Cold? Nah, not if you have an expedition parka- like I was wearing for the game. This wasn't football, but it was at the NHL's Winter Classic a few years ago at the University of Michigan's stadium. 13 degrees, wind chill zero- see many empty seats? Only minor problem is keeping the beer from freezing.   

It's a very simple proposition- win games, and they will come, regardless of the weather. The wimps can stay home if they think it's too cold. 

@babernakle said:

Not just the attendance on cold days would go up but why would you not want to take all  variables out of the game shitty footing wet football wind etc.  I work in the cold all year it’s nice to be some what warm on the weekends and drink a cold beer.  Just sayin. 

Dude, the attendance would NOT go up. It might go down. The Browns have PACKED the house in the most frigid days on Earth. NEVER did we not sell out when it was cold. Honestly, you must not be much of a Browns fan, or you are pretty young....if not...you are weird................. and I don't mean to be mean, but dude.............no fucking Browns fan, no real Browns fan even wants to take a good shit in domed stadium, let alone see the Browns play in one.

WE LIVE FOR COLD, SNOWY WEATHER FOOTBALL

@clevfan4life said:

In my day, browns fans went to games in nov/dec in a loincloth

...and we threw snowballs at Pat/Super Patriot.   Which, back then, was more exciting than the game(s)

But now we're civilized.

@babernakle said:

Oh I don’t want the city to pay for the cap of it was to get done jimmy need to pay out of his pocket.  No stadium should be built with public money

Jimmy isn't Stan Kroenke. He's already sunk millions into stadium renovations. You're nuts if you think he's going to shell out $200 million more because some people think a dome would be cool.  

@dutch-oven said:

You're right hoorta, Joe Six Pack would never vote against his own best interests. 

Even if it was sold by a conman from New York City with a stupid mantra printed on cheap, shitty red hats. 

Oh I don’t want the city to pay for the cap of it was to get done jimmy need to pay out of his pocket.  No stadium should be built with public money