@choco said:

Quite a few good counterpoints unaddressed whilst jumping from fleeting point to fleeting point.

Particularly interesting that this started as "it's superb owl or bust time" kinda thread, devolved into "just a couple mid tier FA".  Being against the initial obj talks, I threw out a better 'win now' scenario which doesn't seem to jive....somehow.  now, that not trading out to acquire future assets, but a similar effect with no new rookie showing up to help, but instead that #1 wr to load the O.

Selective name chasing ... Dunno

Not quite sure what you're getting at.   

I'm not averse to bringing in a few FAs- at the right price. Willing to bet unless you're a hard core Fantasy geek, they're going to be names you never (or barely) heard of.  Cap busting big name? The time for that isn't 2019. 

Assuming Eli comes back- and it's looking like he will- OBJ isn't going anywhere. It will be interesting to see where Dorsey thinks the weak spots on the team are. WR in the first? Depends on the offseason evaluation of Callaway and Perriman.  

With that, I'm shutting this thread down. The season's not over, the Browns have a shot at over .500, and MHO is it's WAY too early to even start thinking about the draft and free agents.     

@choco said:

Quite a few good counterpoints unaddressed whilst jumping from fleeting point to fleeting point.

Particularly interesting that this started as "it's superb owl or bust time" kinda thread, devolved into "just a couple mid tier FA".  Being against the initial obj talks, I threw out a better 'win now' scenario which doesn't seem to jive....somehow.  now, that not trading out to acquire future assets, but a similar effect with no new rookie showing up to help, but instead that #1 wr to load the O.

Selective name chasing ... Dunno

That’s some stream of conscousness  shit right there. My man

@hoorta said:

 the discussion in this thread is going way over your head. 

Quite a few good counterpoints unaddressed whilst jumping from fleeting point to fleeting point.

Particularly interesting that this started as "it's superb owl or bust time" kinda thread, devolved into "just a couple mid tier FA".  Being against the initial obj talks, I threw out a better 'win now' scenario which doesn't seem to jive....somehow.  now, that not trading out to acquire future assets, but a similar effect with no new rookie showing up to help, but instead that #1 wr to load the O.

Selective name chasing ... Dunno

@clevfan4life said:

Omg ur Retarded, ansah just this year has 4 sacks in 6 games...ogbah has 3 in 12 games. Ansah has 48 career sacks, ogbah has 12 carreer sacks. Yes ansah has been in the league longer but he also has some seasons with 12 and 14 sacks. Go home. And u accused me of not looking shit up?

Fuck, i looked up the first FA list thst came up on google that didnt have lewans signing updated. Oooooo. You just completely blew it out ur crusty bhole calling ogbah better than ansah. Ogbahs been hurt too btw. Yeah, ansah has some injury issues but that could also mean we dont gave to overpay him. When he's healthy he's comparable to garrett. He had 16 sacks his first 2 seasons. Whats garrett have through 2, 19? So they're not far off. Garrett ofc will in all likelihood have the better carreer.....but pls check urself, ezekiel ansah would be a VAST upgrade at LDE over anything we have. 

Shit id try to get both him and hunt if possible, in Hunt we'd have a guy thats one of the strongest guys in the league and can play all over the line. Those 2 would be dmfar greater than any 2 DT/DE's we could pull out of this draft not named bosa or oliver

When you start calling names, you've already lost the argument pal. Obviously the discussion in this thread is going way over your head. So go pound salt. Ansah is on the last year of a contract that's paying him $17 million. So you think he's going to take less next year all of a sudden? Like hell. How do you know the Lions won't franchise him, making the bull shit you've been posting moot? "We" don't have to overpay him- and I'm damn happy Dorsey is calling the shots, not you.  Look no farther than the Rams who spent a ton of money on defensive talent- only to get beat Sunday night by the Eagles. And now they have very little cap wiggle room- and they'll have none when Goff comes off his rookie deal. 

I can tell you one thing- Dorsey isn't going to be using Google when it comes time to look at available free agents, LOL. And as to your back asswards trading out of the first round next year- that's what teams who have won a couple Super Bowls do. The Steelers never do. John hit the equivalent of a walk off Grand Slam in the 2018 draft, not only getting four starters- but starters playing at a high level, plus a darn nice situational player in Avery. So he has plenty of capital (with that extra third round pick) in 2019 to trade up a couple spots in the first, or trade down a couple spots. 

@clevfan4life said:

Im talking about filling holes with mid range con tracts......but goi g after the best wr in the league wiuld cost us more than a 1st and a measely 3rd. 

You've been all over the place, as previously noted. Dorsey already has used FA just as you've described above, which is different than your initial post tbh.

As I said....I'm coming around to idea, depending on final compensation. Much is gonna depend on the new coach, so I'm not gonna spend too much time with personnel yet

@clevfan4life said:

Im doubling down but u want to sell the whole draft for a diva? He's not a bad dude per se, but man......thats a 100m contract over 5 years. 

A diva that completes the offense. Then his contract runs out when baker needs signed.  We do have 11 picks, and we certainly don't need 11 more rookies.  4, maybe 5...but either way, some picks either need dealt for players, trade ups, or future picks.

@choco said:

Not only have you doubled down...you drove that car off the cliff...sucg a bad opinion.

I'm actually coming around on trying to pry away obj from the Giants next year. With the momentum the browns have been building, with a budding star in baker being waaaaaaaay better than Eli....could probably keep the ego in check.  1st and 3rd....pocket change but nothing more for me. 

Otherwise, build through the draft..name chasing free agents is lazy fan stuff

Im doubling down but u want to sell the whole draft for a diva? He's not a bad dude per se, but man......thats a 100m contract over 5 years. 

I'm actually coming around on trying to pry away obj from the Giants next year. With the momentum the browns have been building, with a budding star in baker being waaaaaaaay better than Eli....could probably keep the ego in check.  1st and 3rd....pocket change but nothing more for me. 

Otherwise, build through the draft..name chasing free agents is lazy fan stuff

@hoorta said:

1) The majority opinion is 2019 is not the year to stockpile picks. Already told you Sashi tried to kick the can down the road passing on Wentz. How did that one turn out, until Dorsey used the draft capital? Go ahead, be in denial- there is going to be plenty of talent where we pick in the first round come April. I agree with Tour- 2019 the window of opportunity is (maybe) starting to open for the Browns. As Gunz has stated, you've been so over the map on things, can't even tell where you're at. 

2) Sheeze, just go ahead and throw out another name (Ansah) while you're at it. Already told you he's been hurt. And isn't an upgrade over Ogbah. 

3) Great- use an outdated list to throw out stuff.  Please just stop with this crap- you're embarrassing yourself. 

Omg ur Retarded, ansah just this year has 4 sacks in 6 games...ogbah has 3 in 12 games. Ansah has 48 career sacks, ogbah has 12 carreer sacks. Yes ansah has been in the league longer but he also has some seasons with 12 and 14 sacks. Go home. And u accused me of not looking shit up?

Fuck, i looked up the first FA list thst came up on google that didnt have lewans signing updated. Oooooo. You just completely blew it out ur crusty bhole calling ogbah better than ansah. Ogbahs been hurt too btw. Yeah, ansah has some injury issues but that could also mean we dont gave to overpay him. When he's healthy he's comparable to garrett. He had 16 sacks his first 2 seasons. Whats garrett have through 2, 19? So they're not far off. Garrett ofc will in all likelihood have the better carreer.....but pls check urself, ezekiel ansah would be a VAST upgrade at LDE over anything we have. 

Shit id try to get both him and hunt if possible, in Hunt we'd have a guy thats one of the strongest guys in the league and can play all over the line. Those 2 would be dmfar greater than any 2 DT/DE's we could pull out of this draft not named bosa or oliver

@hoorta said:

1) The majority opinion is 2019 is not the year to stockpile picks. Already told you Sashi tried to kick the can down the road passing on Wentz. How did that one turn out, until Dorsey used the draft capital? Go ahead, be in denial- there is going to be plenty of talent where we pick in the first round come April. I agree with Tour- 2019 the window of opportunity is (maybe) starting to open for the Browns. As Gunz has stated, you've been so over the map on things, can't even tell where you're at. 

2) Sheeze, just go ahead and throw out another name (Ansah) while you're at it. Already told you he's been hurt. And isn't an upgrade over Ogbah. 

3) Great- use an outdated list to throw out stuff.  Please just stop with this crap- you're embarrassing yourself. 

Well.....where can we find an accurate, up to date list of players who would be FAs after the season is over?

Understanding that that list may simply a current photograph of options.  Some of those options could close quickly with signings, retirings etc. 

@clevfan4life said:

1) Is it really a horrible idea to stockpile picks for a potential trade up in future years? Maybe we already have that capital, i dunno....im doubting it cause so many good dudes coming out this year that teams would be asking too much in a trade up this year. Again, theres no mack like contract out there with the remaining FA's.

2) Ansah, lawrence we can get and maybe an under radar guy like Hunt

 3) Ok so obviously the FA list i looked at hadnt updated his status, but in any xase he was just obe name i threw out there and not the basis of this thread...so fucking what? It diesnt negate the fact that  there are multiple holes on this team  that could be filled with a FA. LT is just one option, unless they feel robinson is the long term answer. 

1) The majority opinion is 2019 is not the year to stockpile picks. Already told you Sashi tried to kick the can down the road passing on Wentz. How did that one turn out, until Dorsey used the draft capital? Go ahead, be in denial- there is going to be plenty of talent where we pick in the first round come April. I agree with Tour- 2019 the window of opportunity is (maybe) starting to open for the Browns. As Gunz has stated, you've been so over the map on things, can't even tell where you're at. 

2) Sheeze, just go ahead and throw out another name (Ansah) while you're at it. Already told you he's been hurt. And isn't an upgrade over Ogbah. 

3) Great- use an outdated list to throw out stuff.  Please just stop with this crap- you're embarrassing yourself. 

Ansah, lawrence we can get and maybe an under radar guy like Hunt

@hoorta said:

Please engage brain before posting. Do you ever do a little research before throwing out names? Well I did. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tennessee-titans/taylor-lewan-14420/

1) Lewan isn't a free agent- he signed a new deal this year giving him Joe Thomas money. Already told you once that was going to be his price tag regardless, you weren't listening. 

2) So, the only way the Browns could get him is in a trade, and if you think the Titans would trade their Pro Bowl level left tackle for anything short of a King's Ransom- you're out of your ever loving mind. 

 Ok so obviously the FA list i looked at hadnt updated his status, but in any xase he was just obe name i threw out there and not the basis of this thread...so fucking what? It diesnt negate the fact that  there are multiple holes on this team  that could be filled with a FA. LT is just one option, unless they feel robinson is the long term answer. 

@gunz41 said:

2 1st rounders, a 3rd, and a 6th

Yeesh. 

@unsympathetic said:

overthecap.com is my go-to contracts reference -- annual, overall against the cap, bonus, all dead money per team by player, etc

Yeah, I'm aware of it- Tour uses it too... I do occasionally...  

@the-gipper said:

So...scratch that conversation.

1) Maybe JT will want to come back after a year off?

2) If not that, then who?    A rookie draft pick?  Another FA pickup?   Keep Robinson there, with Des Harrison in reserve? (Harrison is just a rookie...and does have potential...which perhaps could come to bear with experience....LOT is a tough job for a rookie)

1) Scratch the Joe returning idea. He's done with playing- really done. He dropped a lot of his muscle mass when he retired- Seeing him doing commentary, I'd bet he's down to around 250 pounds, and way too much work to bulk up again.  

2) We'll see, say around March what Dorsey has up his sleeve....  

@hoorta said:

Know it's OT, but had to throw this out. Relates to what you said. Before I had my cataract surgery, they did a color blindness test. Told them "hey, I've been tested a zillion times, I'm not colorblind, you're wasting your time". Well, it turns out your lens not only clouds up, it starts getting yellow, like an old piece of plastic, and it can change your perception of colors.  

@hoorta said:

Please engage brain before posting. Do you ever do a little research before throwing out names? Well I did. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tennessee-titans/taylor-lewan-14420/

1) Lewan isn't a free agent- he signed a new deal this year giving him Joe Thomas money. Already told you once that was going to be his price tag regardless, you weren't listening. 

2) So, the only way the Browns could get him is in a trade, and if you think the Titans would trade their Pro Bowl level left tackle for anything short of a King's Ransom- you're out of your ever loving mind. 

So...scratch that conversation.

Maybe JT will want to come back after a year off?

If not that, then who?    A rookie draft pick?  Another FA pickup?   Keep Robinson there, with Des Harrison in reserve? (Harrison is just a rookie...and does have potential...which perhaps could come to bear with experience....LOT is a tough job for a rookie)

@texasag1969 said:

After I had both done for better distance vision (because I hike the outdoors for wildlife and vistas), I have been tested at 20/15 vision. Two things really stood out, the really vivid colors that got washed out over the years and the veins in the leaves at the tops of trees. Used to be a dull greenish mass and now they really sparkle individually! Well worth it Tom. And I got a 4X scope for my 22LR pistol because with reading glasses I can see the crosshairs real well and the target is focused downrange by the scope which I can also see very well with the reading glasses. Perfect solution for a target shooter (I only hunt animals with a camera now).?

Know it's OT, but had to throw this out. Relates to what you said. Before I had my cataract surgery, they did a color blindness test. Told them "hey, I've been tested a zillion times, I'm not colorblind, you're wasting your time". Well, it turns out your lens not only clouds up, it starts getting yellow, like an old piece of plastic, and it can change your perception of colors.  

@gunz41 said:

2- 1st rounders, a 3rd, and a 6th

And if he (Mack) doesn't take them to a few Super Bowls, the Bears gave up too much.  MHO. 

@clevfan4life said:

Where does that say i want a FA RB signing? U need to re read my original post, maybe do it slowly and pronounce every word....

Our current running game to.go along with baker, imo, is the foundation for a SB run....not just a 1st round playoff appearance. So is that saying RB is a "hole" in our team that im saying needs filled now in free agency? OBVIOUSLY not. 

My point is theres a couple holes in this team that if filled in free agency, may very well put this ream in the AFC championship next year. But if we use the draft, we may acquire a player that takes a couple years to pan out, if he ever does at all. Ofc, my mind may change on draft day depending on how the 1st round pans out...we dont know. Im only sayingbthis might be the year to belichick it and trade out so that we have the ammo the following year to trade higher into the round...which if things go well we'll have an even worse draft pick in 2020......get it?

Have your opinion all you want. You could be right. I commented because it seems like you are going all over the place.

And if you dont see how that message looks like you are talking about a RB "One of my biggest reasons for making this thread, is the avg lifespan of workhorses like chubb."

Maybe it wasn't your intention, just how it appears