@the-gipper said:

So....as I said....another guy that doesn't fit any position.    Another guy that would be overdrafted if we took him in round one.

Let's pass.

@mld-woody said:

No Gip... No 

He's a late 1st guy with the biggest knock on him being size. As old school DCs still favor large, hulking LBs even though the game is moving to smaller, quicker LBs that are better in coverage.

So....as I said....another guy that doesn't fit any position.    Another guy that would be overdrafted if we took him in round one.

Let's pass.

@the-gipper said:

Is he like a 3rd round guy?

No Gip... No 

He's a late 1st guy with the biggest knock on him being size. As old school DCs still favor large, hulking LBs even though the game is moving to smaller, quicker LBs that are better in coverage.

@the-gipper said:

Is he like a 3rd round guy?

More likely late 1st - early 2nd. Might be in the mix if we go DT 1st.

@mld-woody said:

I think he'll be my designated homer pick for the draft

Is he like a 3rd round guy?

@mld-woody said:

I think he'll be my designated homer pick for the draft

My only designated homer pick this year will be RB Treyveon Williams who broke the A&M single season record, has excellent hands and led the SEC in rushing this year. He's flying under the radar and some lucky team will pick him up around the 5th or 6th round unless his combine numbers are off the charts. He's a lot like Duke Johnson so no need for the Browns to be looking.

@clevfan4life said:

As for drafting a LB'er, im assuming theres a player u have in mind.....and im assuming i can guess where he plays...

I think he'll be my designated homer pick for the draft

@clevfan4life said:

Yeah precisely my first thought when it came out. Come to clev lawrence we got ur ostarine right here....?

FIFY... no reason for the omitted word.

@clevfan4life said:

Yeah precisely my first thought when it came out. Come to clev lawrence we got ur ostarine right here niggy....?

He has a team mate I wouldn't mind taking a long look at though.

@tour2ma said:

Wonder if Dexter Lawrence's PED issue makes him fall...

Yeah precisely my first thought when it came out. Come to clev lawrence we got ur ostarine right here niggy....?

@tour2ma said:

Wonder if Dexter Lawrence's PED issue makes him fall...

Does a fat puppy hate fast cars?

@clevfan4life said:

Maybe, i cant know for sure....but i saw flashes from him that were elite level read and react. And he seemed to shed OL better than schobert. But thats eye test based on the TV angle....cant always see how he covers downfield. Speed and strength at the LOS seemed to be superior to our LB'ers including collins. 

As for drafting a LB'er, im assuming theres a player u have in mind.....and im assuming i can guess where he plays...?

Maaaayyybbbeeee

But, regardless, I think LB would be a smart move in the draft

- We can get our DT in FA

- Top DL will be gone by the time we pick

(Unless, like, Ed Oliver falls or something. Then pick him)

@nero said:

Yes we have. We have been specially bad.

I agree that Dline needs help and I've always thought that Myles had to stay way too much time on the field thus not being as effective. But I remember that last year's draft was heavy on RB and not on CB, so maybe going for the smaller group of LB in first round and Dline on second could work. 

I would address the CB position too. For example, it was crazy playing against the Chiefs with Mitchell and Ward out.

Special teams was hand cuffing both the D and O. That will be overhauled. Which will then help the Whole team. Sure, a player here or there on D can help but nothing has killed us like that unit has

@flyingfooldoug said:

Has anyone thought about special teams. They were horrible. A real good special teamer and maybe a special coach to go with him? We haven’t even been a bit special there

Yes we have. We have been specially bad.

I agree that Dline needs help and I've always thought that Myles had to stay way too much time on the field thus not being as effective. But I remember that last year's draft was heavy on RB and not on CB, so maybe going for the smaller group of LB in first round and Dline on second could work. 

I would address the CB position too. For example, it was crazy playing against the Chiefs with Mitchell and Ward out.

https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2019/1/3/18165544/browns-defensive-snap-counts-stats-and-pff-notes-week-17

Plus, his name is Ray-Ray!! Ray Squared! Boxing you in, walling you off.

@mld-woody said:

Vallejo is just a guy.

Part of us moving into the "good" category of teams means we need to not put average players on mantles 

And if there's someone who knows a ton about this, it would be a TTUN fan. 

@mld-woody said:

Vallejo is just a guy.

Part of us moving into the "good" category of teams means we need to not put average players on mantles 

Maybe, i cant know for sure....but i saw flashes from him that were elite level read and react. And he seemed to shed OL better than schobert. But thats eye test based on the TV angle....cant always see how he covers downfield. Speed and strength at the LOS seemed to be superior to our LB'ers including collins. 

As for drafting a LB'er, im assuming theres a player u have in mind.....and im assuming i can guess where he plays...?

@clevfan4life said:

LB'er is the last thing on that front 7 that needs anything right now. The DL needs help first, than we have to see what's up with Ward. I'm happy with Kirk, Collins, Schobert, Avery and Vallejo. Infact I think Vallejo might push one of those guys hard next year for the starting job. If Collins leaves than im open to signing or drafting someone .

Vallejo is just a guy.

Part of us moving into the "good" category of teams means we need to not put average players on mantles