@atom said:

could be maybe he was innocent of all chargers when his truck stops were under investigation

...awfully hard to believe that he and the janitor were the only ones that didn't know what was going on.

- Bowie and his band were great.  I hope you never change your avatar.        (headphones, turn it up real loud.....great guitar band)

@orion said:

I've stayed out of this thread up until now.  I'm not a big Haslam fan.  But it didn't seem to me that he was 'screwing it up' too much this time around.  Of course we can't know how involved he was.  We don't know if Freddie was Haslam's mandate.  But it seems like it could've been Dorsey's show.  We DO KNOW that Haslam wan't on stage for today's presser introducing Freddie.  Perhaps, in Dorsey, he has someone he feels he can trust and has turned more of the reigns over to him.

could be maybe he was innocent of all chargers when his truck stops were under investigation and felt the need to be more hands on to make sure things we being run properly in Cleveland of course only to screw things up,so maybe he learned his lesson and figured out that running truck stops and a football team are completely different animals and stepped back to let the football guys run things

@browns52 said:

you are correct however, we should have kept kitchens as our oc as now he will not have as much time with baker as he did when he was oc...big mistake....and very seldom does this shit work when you hire within for a hc....stupid move in my opinion whoever made it...watch and see....

Personally, I wish We hired Gregg as HC, and let Freddie be OC. Maybe in the near future Freddie could take over, but I wanted him to get more experience calling plays and leading the team. He's still young (mid 40s), and i'm hoping he doesn't get in over his head calling the plays and being the head coach. People like him and respect him, but can Freddie get angry with the players? Can he bring out the intensity? Will he get Fired up like Gregg did? I hope he's not too buddy buddy with the players and demands respect. I hope he's not too much of a "nice guy".

I get why Dorsey brought in Freddie and why he wanted him, he's definitely a skilled coach. I feel like Freddie is completely a Dorsey pick. I'm hoping its the right one, and I'm wishing Gregg the best with the Jets D.

@browns52 said:

you are correct however, we should have kept kitchens as our oc as now he will not have as much time with baker as he did when he was oc...big mistake....and very seldom does this shit work when you hire within for a hc....stupid move in my opinion whoever made it...watch and see....

i suppose the better idea would have been to allow kitchens to get poached next year, leaving us with nothing.  way to think that one through...?

@browns52 said:

you are correct however, we should have kept kitchens as our oc as now he will not have as much time with baker as he did when he was oc...big mistake....and very seldom does this shit work when you hire within for a hc....stupid move in my opinion whoever made it...watch and see....

I don’t believe I asserted that Freddy should continue to be our OC. I don’t believe I favored anyone in particular for the head coaching job other than to say that the team we had their Williams and kitchen seem to be doing well 

@browns52 said:

you are correct however, we should have kept kitchens as our oc as now he will not have as much time with baker as he did when he was oc...big mistake....and very seldom does this shit work when you hire within for a hc....stupid move in my opinion whoever made it...watch and see....

Yeah...working out terrible for the Rams having the HC call the plays and work with the QB.  Would suck to have that kind of success.

@the-gipper said:

Maybe Jimmy didn't fuck it up this time....but apparently not without trying.  I heard that Depo and maybe Berry wanted Stefanski....but that Dorsey stuck to his guns with Kitchen....and got his way. 

So maybe, just maybe, JimmyDee is brightening up.

or maybe they said it was a person that need to be considered.   I don't see Depo as a decision maker..   He may be a decision breaker.     I see it as he said here is another option we might need to look at.

In the end, Dorsey said that everybody was in agreement

@the-gipper said:

Like every single other fan....including every single one of all of you.....we only get our information from them media.  If they make a statement...we have no way to confirm it.  If they make a mistake...we have no way to correct it.  We have to wait until other media.....or the same media, comes out with corrections. 

So, unless you were one of the 8-10 motherfuckers who sat in on that search committee...your information was not one goddamned farthing better than anything that I or anyone else has heard about what went on.   If there are speculations...we may repeat them...until we know the actual truth.

And, by the way....the Mafia killed JFK.   There were no weapons of mass destruction...that was just a prevarication for an excuse to go after Saddam.

And there are beings on other planets (but that does not mean that they have visited us)

you are correct however, we should have kept kitchens as our oc as now he will not have as much time with baker as he did when he was oc...big mistake....and very seldom does this shit work when you hire within for a hc....stupid move in my opinion whoever made it...watch and see....

I've stayed out of this thread up until now.  I'm not a big Haslam fan.  But it didn't seem to me that he was 'screwing it up' too much this time around.  Of course we can't know how involved he was.  We don't know if Freddie was Haslam's mandate.  But it seems like it could've been Dorsey's show.  We DO KNOW that Haslam wan't on stage for today's presser introducing Freddie.  Perhaps, in Dorsey, he has someone he feels he can trust and has turned more of the reigns over to him.

@flyingfooldoug said:

Look up the word hilarious 

@dutch-oven said:

Your sense of humor needs work. 

And this has what to do with the Browns? cool it guys...   

@dutch-oven said:

Your sense of humor needs work. 

Especially if his humerus is connected to the funny bone...

@flyingfooldoug said:

One guy said the Browns had the most attractive HC job because of Baker Mayfield. Another sez it’s the worst HC job because of Baker Mayfield....... hilarious 

Two people have different opinions on the same subject?

Earth shattering news there. 

@gumby73 said:

here we go again..Wilks or from out of nowhere (Parcells to Jimmy "try another gift") Steve Spagnuolo..tick tock...

One guy said the Browns had the most attractive HC job because of Baker Mayfield. Another sez it’s the worst HC job because of Baker Mayfield....... hilarious 

@flyingfooldoug said:

Most all local reports have the Haslams as part of John Dorsey’s search committee for head coach candidates. But where the rubber hits the road, Kitchens reports to Dorsey. The haslams have been and are letting Dorsey run the Browns. The national media are a bunch of liars. 

here we go again..Wilks or from out of nowhere (Parcells to Jimmy "try another gift") Steve Spagnuolo..tick tock... (my recent late father would have picked Spag's up at the airport )

@mark-o said:

I'd say it did work out.   Made the playoffs and won a playoff game in the 3rd or 4th season with the Browns, team was trending in the right direction until the announcement in November 95 and the season went in the shitter after that.   I'd say it was a hire that worked out and should've worked out for a longer term if not for Art and his money problems.

Meh.....maybe....I think it should have worked out that I would have won that 1.6 billion dollar lottery.  Can't change history .  We had 4 out of 5 losing seasons with BB......and of course we had all the drama and bile that came with him.   

SOME claim that the animosity that the fans had toward BB enable Modell to make the decision to try to move.  I don't know about that.  

I do know that Modell did not want the Bitter Beer face to be the face of his new franchise in Baltimore...so he canned him.  

In some respects...things worked out for both of them.   While Modell's money problems never got any better, he did get his money out of the team when he was forced to sell it and found Biscotti to buy it.  It worked out for B-more...in that Biscotti brought them 2 titles (yes...I give credit to Biscotti...NOT to ElCid Modell).  It worked out for BB because he eventually made it to NE....and he got extremely lucky having a 6th round pick become the plausible GOAT.    In sense...the only ones who got screwed heavily were the fans of Cleveland!  Three years no team...and 20 years of a shit show with the owners we have had. 

But! Now....the Browns are going to roll through the NFL like a Panzer Unit:

@the-gipper said:

Remember when  Art Modell hired Bill Belichick.......on the advice of Bobby Knight?  

I mean, that could have worked out....but what we got instead   was a heaping helping of Turdle soup. 

I'd say it did work out.   Made the playoffs and won a playoff game in the 3rd or 4th season with the Browns, team was trending in the right direction until the announcement in November 95 and the season went in the shitter after that.   I'd say it was a hire that worked out and should've worked out for a longer term if not for Art and his money problems.

@flyingfooldoug said:

He has been “consulting” with jimmy for some time now. I’m thinking about the same time that haslam started showing a working brain cell. BP strongly suggested Dorsey. Jimmy listened

Remember when  Art Modell hired Bill Belichick.......on the advice of Bobby Knight?  

I mean, that could have worked out....but what we got instead   was a heaping helping of Turdle soup. 

@gumby73 said:

could you see Parcells asking his wife anything about football? thanks for stepping in Bill !! 

He has been “consulting” with jimmy for some time now. I’m thinking about the same time that haslam started showing a working brain cell. BP strongly suggested Dorsey. Jimmy listened

 This thread is a microcosm of that

@hoorta said:

Though there are legit questions how many sources (if any) Grossi has left inside the organization. Would it be a stretch to say MKC has more? 

I don't know why.  She has been known far more for showing shit on the ceiling to see if it sticks than Grossi has. 

@the-gipper said:

Grossi isn't getting the blame....it is just one guy on here that has a hard on for him.

Though there are legit questions how many sources (if any) Grossi has left inside the organization. Would it be a stretch to say MKC has more? 

@lodilobo said:

...and why is Grossi getting the blame?....that's not where I heard it.

Grossi isn't getting the blame....it is just one guy on here that has a hard on for him.

@unsympathetic said:

It is true that people believe conspiracy theories.  Still waiting on that actual evidence of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction..

I have yet to see one piece of evidence that could even be construed to be interference by Haslam.  Until then, I don't believe assertions.

Like every single other fan....including every single one of all of you.....we only get our information from them media.  If they make a statement...we have no way to confirm it.  If they make a mistake...we have no way to correct it.  We have to wait until other media.....or the same media, comes out with corrections. 

So, unless you were one of the 8-10 motherfuckers who sat in on that search committee...your information was not one goddamned farthing better than anything that I or anyone else has heard about what went on.   If there are speculations...we may repeat them...until we know the actual truth.

And, by the way....the Mafia killed JFK.   There were no weapons of mass destruction...that was just a prevarication for an excuse to go after Saddam.

And there are beings on other planets (but that does not mean that they have visited us)