@canton-dawg said:

“Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son.” - Dean Wormer - Animal House

@cccjwh said:

It takes a great deal of bravery to stand up to our enemies, but just as much to stand up to our friends. – Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone

It does not do well to dwell on dreams and forget to live. – Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone

It matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be. – Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire

We’ve all got both light and dark inside us. What matters is the part we choose to act on. That’s who we really are. – Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix

Quoting the bible to prove the bible is stupid, btw. Circular argument. Do the same with any "holy" book.

“Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son.” - Dean Wormer - Animal House

@cccjwh said:

It takes a great deal of bravery to stand up to our enemies, but just as much to stand up to our friends. – Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone

It does not do well to dwell on dreams and forget to live. – Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone

It matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be. – Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire

We’ve all got both light and dark inside us. What matters is the part we choose to act on. That’s who we really are. – Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix

There will be those that question the word of the good books. They will not understand the word of Magic and try to sway you. Be strong in your convictions. Potter be with you.

- Another Harry Potter book

@oldbrownsfan said:

And I don't take offense because you ridicule what you don't understand.  Why should I be offended, you are like a blind man trying to judge art. There is nothing new under the sun. Those like you are found in the bible thousands of years ago and the description still fits:

1 Cor 1:18

The message of the cross is foolish to those who are headed for destruction! But we who are being saved know it is the very power of God.

2 Peter 2:12

These men are like irrational animals, creatures of instinct, born to be captured and destroyed. They blaspheme in matters they do not understand, and like such creatures, they too will be destroyed.

Jude 1:10

Whatever these people do not understand, they slander. Like irrational animals, they are destroyed by the very things they know by instinct. 

1 Cor 2:14

But the person without the Spirit does not receive what comes from God’s Spirit, because it is foolishness to him; he is not able to understand it since it is evaluated spiritually.

It takes a great deal of bravery to stand up to our enemies, but just as much to stand up to our friends. – Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone

It does not do well to dwell on dreams and forget to live. – Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone

It matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be. – Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire

We’ve all got both light and dark inside us. What matters is the part we choose to act on. That’s who we really are. – Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix

Quoting the bible to prove the bible is stupid, btw. Circular argument. Do the same with any "holy" book.

@oldbrownsfan said:

FIFY

Lol. Exactly

@mld-woody said:

You're just going to get a "God of the Gaps Bible" argument from him, FYI.

FIFY

@mld-woody said:

Because there isn't a Muslim version of OBF on this board...

If you had a magic Hindu cow save you, I'd ridicule that too 

And I don't take offense because you ridicule what you don't understand.  Why should I be offended, you are like a blind man trying to judge art. There is nothing new under the sun. Those like you are found in the bible thousands of years ago and the description still fits:

1 Cor 1:18

The message of the cross is foolish to those who are headed for destruction! But we who are being saved know it is the very power of God.

2 Peter 2:12

These men are like irrational animals, creatures of instinct, born to be captured and destroyed. They blaspheme in matters they do not understand, and like such creatures, they too will be destroyed.

Jude 1:10

Whatever these people do not understand, they slander. Like irrational animals, they are destroyed by the very things they know by instinct. 

1 Cor 2:14

But the person without the Spirit does not receive what comes from God’s Spirit, because it is foolishness to him; he is not able to understand it since it is evaluated spiritually.

@cccjwh said:

Gnostic - Relating to knowledge.

Everyone is agnostic, no matter how much you believe. You don't know. Doesn't stop you from pretending to know of course. 

You're just going to get a "God of the Gaps" argument from him, FYI.

@calfoxwc said:

and yet, I know differently - or I wouldn't have made it to the sixth grade.

We all have our own beliefs - I don't get why Christian beliefs are ridiculed.

Because there isn't a Muslim version of OBF on this board...

If you had a magic Hindu cow save you, I'd ridicule that too 

@cccjwh said:

Gnostic - Relating to knowledge.

Everyone is agnostic, no matter how much you believe. You don't know. Doesn't stop you from pretending to know of course.

And all this time I believed agnostic was about aggies who are always picking their nose.?

We all have our own beliefs - I don't get why Christian beliefs are ridiculed.

@oldbrownsfan said:

Life is very short compared to eternity so the real answer will come soon to both of us won't it?

Life to short to waste it pretending you are going to live forever.

@cccjwh said:

Gnostic - Relating to knowledge.

Everyone is agnostic, no matter how much you believe. You don't know. Doesn't stop you from pretending to know of course. 

Life is very short compared to eternity so the real answer will come soon to both of us won't it? If I am right I will go to heaven not because of anything I have done but all because of what Jesus did on the cross for me. The best you have to hope for is to believe when you die you will be dead like a dog for all of eternity or there is something  worse than eternal death or nothingness that God has made for those who refused His salvation and will end up separated from God for eternity. I'm taking the life preserver thrown my way by the Creator God.

Everyone is agnostic, no matter how much you believe. You don't know. Doesn't stop you from pretending to know of course. 

@cccjwh said:

Because creation spring forth from a invisible man in the sky is so much more logical. ?  An "I don't know" is the only logical answer. 

Creation having a creator does make more sense but logically speaking the agnostic view of I don't know is the best "logical" answer. I listed an article once showing the logical case for believing in God but since there was a philosophical argument made as part of the equation some won't accept it because that is not a scientific argument. Bottom line is neither the atheist nor the believer can prove their side with a scientific argument.

@oldbrownsfan said:

I feel sorry for those like you who are unable to see the forest for the trees. Those who cannot grasp the bigger picture and get tripped up over word semantics but it is probably just the way atheists like yourself are wired.  For example Jesus said if we have faith we could move mountains yet no mountains have moved so obviously those like yourself believe He was lying or mistaken...everything in the NT must be false because the mountains have stayed put. The real problem though as a "logical" atheist you have that problem of believing that creation sprang forth out of nothing, a most illogical position that goes against all science.

Because creation spring forth from a invisible man in the sky is so much more logical. ?  An "I don't know" is the only logical answer. 

@texasag1969 said:

I don't dispute the 127 BP agents killed in the line of duty. But it is a bit misleading in that neither person in the interview actually clarified that the 127 deaths have occurred since he inception of the Border Patrol in 1924 and would include all borders including the Canadian where illegal booze runners were being intercepted during prohibition until the amendment was rescinded in 1933. They left it for you to think these were all recent and part of the crisis. In fact he said the "127 died trying to defend our border from the 17,000 bad people that Sec Neilson mentioned". That is just not correct.

I have read that same statistic in other articles (127 killed in line of duty) and it could be technically correct in how the Border Patrol lists those who died in the line of duty such as car accidents (maybe while in pursuit of illegals) etc...This border patrol chief had many years experience and I don't believe he was out trying to deliberately deceive anyone and from my way of thinking even if there were only 25 border patrol agents (or so)  who were actually murdered by illegal immigrants that still would be 25 too many. I would agree the 127 killed in the line of duty stat when the numbers are broken down is deceiving because you get the impression all these agents were actually murdered by illegals and it does count the Canadian border as well. Because this stat needed clarification I would not discount everything said by the former chief border patrol agent. 

For me personally the fixes that are needed at the border I want to see those who actually work on the border (like border patrol agents) and who know what the problems are leading the way in how we fix the problems at the border. I would be fine with following whatever recommendations they make. 

@diehardbrownsfan said:

I trust people on the line (Border Patrol, Customs and Border Protection), more than some liberal hacks on MSNBC or one sided Google Search.

I don't dispute the 127 BP agents killed in the line of duty. But it is a bit misleading in that neither person in the interview actually clarified that the 127 deaths have occurred since he inception of the Border Patrol in 1924 and would include all borders including the Canadian where illegal booze runners were being intercepted during prohibition until the amendment was rescinded in 1933. They left it for you to think these were all recent and part of the crisis. In fact he said the "127 died trying to defend our border from the 17,000 bad people that Sec Neilson mentioned". That is just not correct.

@mld-woody said:

1) You don't have first hand experience

2) His first hand experience, and whatever biases that entails, does not outrank data and research

3) Nothing in your original link from a clearly biased site included extensive data or research to backup his claims

4) You, and others on here, couldn't pick out a legitimate source if it smacked you in the face. I have no doubt you could use Google to find an article that agrees with you, but RealJesusChristianNews' opinion piece on immigration probably isn't a great source

5) I really don't think you can distinguish between any of this and I think it is how your brain is wired. It leads to the level of religious beliefs you have, critical thinking, willingness to believe actual fake news, etc. It's all tied together .

I feel sorry for those like you who are unable to see the forest for the trees. Those who cannot grasp the bigger picture and get tripped up over word semantics but it is probably just the way atheists like yourself are wired.  For example Jesus said if we have faith we could move mountains yet no mountains have moved so obviously those like yourself believe He was lying or mistaken...everything in the NT must be false because the mountains have stayed put. The real problem though as a "logical" atheist you have that problem of believing that creation sprang forth out of nothing, a most illogical position that goes against all science.

@oldbrownsfan said:

If I post an article from an expert in their field I won't waste time fact checking with a google search everything said but if you want to then have at it. If you find something not true with a google search let me know. In the article I posted I found with a google search articles that backed up what the border patrol chief said so that combined with his first hand knowledge of the subject I will stick with what he says versus a forum member who only google searches without having any first hand experience.

1) You don't have first hand experience

2) His first hand experience, and whatever biases that entails, does not outrank data and research

3) Nothing in your original link from a clearly biased site included extensive data or research to backup his claims

4) You, and others on here, couldn't pick out a legitimate source if it smacked you in the face. I have no doubt you could use Google to find an article that agrees with you, but RealJesusChristianNews' opinion piece on immigration probably isn't a great source

5) I really don't think you can distinguish between any of this and I think it is how your brain is wired. It leads to the level of religious beliefs you have, critical thinking, willingness to believe actual fake news, etc. It's all tied together .

@mld-woody said:

You don't get it. But the part of the post above that I quoted says everything we need to know.

If I post an article from an expert in their field I won't waste time fact checking with a google search everything said but if you want to then have at it. If you find something not true with a google search let me know. In the article I posted I found with a google search articles that backed up what the border patrol chief said so that combined with his first hand knowledge of the subject I will stick with what he says versus a forum member who only google searches without having any first hand experience.

@oldbrownsfan said:

Yes it works that way (if I want it to). 

You don't get it. But the part of the post above that I quoted says everything we need to know.

@mld-woody said:

That's... Not how this works. You posted what is essentially an opinion piece. On a very, very openly right wing biased site. I get this guy worked on the border but when he just makes claims without evidence you're not debunking anything. 

But... then again... Literal Bible and all that. I don't expect you to get it. 

Yes it works that way (if I want it to). The author of the article I posted was a former border patrol chief who spoke about what he knew firsthand and admitted to what he didn't know. I will go with what he says versus someone on the forum who does a google search.

Here is the video of the former border patrol chief, I report and you decide:

https://video.foxnews.com/v/5987722069001/?#sp=show-clips

And here is an article stating the same thing that 127 border patrol agents have died in the line of duty:

Families of fallen El Paso Border Patrol agents remember loved ones

"In total, 127 Border Patrol agents have died in the line of duty since the federal agency’s inception."

https://cbs4local.com/news/local/families-of-fallen-el-paso-border-patrol-agents-remember-loved-ones