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@hoorta said:

Haters gonna hate...  

Exactly.... 

@tacosman said:

ummm....it's a stupid comparison.  Edelman catches a higher percentages of balls(at least last year), so his yp target(the more meaningful stat) is higher.....

also,  while you're at it- look up edelman's contract.  Then look up landry's....now thats the gavel slam.

Haters gonna hate...  

Landry was on the field for us all season...contributing every week...even when he was dinged and thought that he might not be active for Sunday.  Might as well say he had five 100 yard games (4 acutally, one was 97 yards).    With all of the young, unproven receivers he was surrounded with, he had a pro bowl type year.

@choco said:

Nah...he's right...

Landry sucks because someone else has a couple better stats...cause that's all that matters, entire picture. It's their money afterall...

There's no right or wrong here.. Landry is productive for us.. End of story..

@nickers said:

Who really fucking cares.. Landry is our guy.. I'm ok with that.

Nah...he's right...

Landry sucks because someone else has a couple better stats...cause that's all that matters, entire picture. It's their money afterall...

@tacosman said:

ummm....it's a stupid comparison.  Edelman catches a higher percentages of balls(at least last year), so his yp target(the more meaningful stat) is higher.....

also,  while you're at it- look up edelman's contract.  Then look up landry's....now thats the gavel slam.

Who really fucking cares.. Landry is our guy.. I'm ok with that.

@nickers said:

Probably a good time to close this thread after that final statement.. I took it as a gavel slam.. (No offense Gip) LOL

ummm....it's a stupid comparison.  Edelman catches a higher percentages of balls(at least last year), so his yp target(the more meaningful stat) is higher.....

also,  while you're at it- look up edelman's contract.  Then look up landry's....now thats the gavel slam.

@hoorta said:

I really do try to be sort of objective. I pointed this out earlier to guys who are SO anti-Jarvis, where's the thread about Jamie Collins being statistically inferior?  And making a ton of money in the process? IMHO, they've picked the wrong guy to target..   

But-but-but, we're overpaying him!!!!  Just like any team in the dumpster would have had to. How many players take a discount to play for a team with Super Bowl aspirations?  Suh raked in $60 million guaranteed from the Dolphins, and is playing on a relatively cheap $16 million one year deal with the Rams... 

Nah, I'll keep it open.  Haters gonna hate...   

Jamie Collins isn't a loud mouth prima dona

Receiving & Rushing

@hoorta said:

OK, understand. I have a hell of a time early in the day when I'm reviewing on on my tablet- with the same problem. Cut and paste, or insert links? Haven't figured that out yet....  

Exactly.

@the-gipper said:

I am just on my phone so it’s not as easy for me to do the research like that as when I am on my desktop at the office

OK, understand. I have a hell of a time early in the day when I'm reviewing on on my tablet- with the same problem. Cut and paste, or insert links? Haven't figured that out yet....  

@hoorta said:

Ah, come on Gipper- that sort of info is just a couple mouse clicks away....  Landry averaged 12 ypc this year. But-but-but that's not anywhere close to Mike Evans 17 ypc.  

Well Jarvis raggers, 12 ypc is more than Julian Edelman's 11.5 ypc- so go ask Tom Brady if he thinks HE sucks.   How many drive sustaining great catches did he make against the Chiefs? A bunch you say?  Landry is our Edelman. Deal with it...  

I am just on my phone so it’s not as easy for me to do the research like that as when I am on my desktop at the office

@hoorta said:

I really do try to be sort of objective. I pointed this out earlier to guys who are SO anti-Jarvis, where's the thread about Jamie Collins being statistically inferior?  And making a ton of money in the process? IMHO, they've picked the wrong guy to target..   

But-but-but, we're overpaying him!!!!  Just like any team in the dumpster would have had to. How many players take a discount to play for a team with Super Bowl aspirations?  Suh raked in $60 million guaranteed from the Dolphins, and is playing on a relatively cheap $16 million one year deal with the Rams... 

Nah, I'll keep it open.  Haters gonna hate...   

A symptom of being in the NFL gutter so long does that to people.. Some just enjoy being miserable.. I laugh at everything and everybody.. I figure whilt I'm alive.. I'm gonna smile and laugh my way through life.. Its how I've pretty much handled obstacles in stead of "Woe is Me"

@nickers said:

Probably a good time to close this thread after that final statement.. I took it as a gavel slam.. (No offense Gip) LOL

I really do try to be sort of objective. I pointed this out earlier to guys who are SO anti-Jarvis, where's the thread about Jamie Collins being statistically inferior?  And making a ton of money in the process? IMHO, they've picked the wrong guy to target..   

But-but-but, we're overpaying him!!!!  Just like any team in the dumpster would have had to. How many players take a discount to play for a team with Super Bowl aspirations?  Suh raked in $60 million guaranteed from the Dolphins, and is playing on a relatively cheap $16 million one year deal with the Rams... 

Nah, I'll keep it open.  Haters gonna hate...   

@hoorta said:

Ah, come on Gipper- that sort of info is just a couple mouse clicks away....  Landry averaged 12 ypc this year. But-but-but that's not anywhere close to Mike Evans 17 ypc.  

Well Jarvis raggers, 12 ypc is more than Julian Edelman's 11.5 ypc- so go ask Tom Brady if he thinks HE sucks.   How many drive sustaining great catches did he make against the Chiefs? A bunch you say?  Landry is our Edelman. Deal with it...  

Probably a good time to close this thread after that final statement.. I took it as a gavel slam.. (No offense Gip) LOL

@the-gipper said:

His history was that each catch actually did go for a first down. Not sure about this year haven’t seen no stats but all I know is that he made a hell of a lot of first downs with his catches and kept a lot of drivesgoing and scored a number of touchdowns and lead this team the way no one else has for years. 

Ah, come on Gipper- that sort of info is just a couple mouse clicks away....  Landry averaged 12 ypc this year. But-but-but that's not anywhere close to Mike Evans 17 ypc.  

Well Jarvis raggers, 12 ypc is more than Julian Edelman's 11.5 ypc- so go ask Tom Brady if he thinks HE sucks.   How many drive sustaining great catches did he make against the Chiefs? A bunch you say?  Landry is our Edelman. Deal with it...  

@tacosman said:

probably the fact that everything about him(YAC, yp target, first down %) is low for any type of reciever.

His catches result in a first down less than most starters in the league.  Thats not good.  

His history was that each catch actually did go for a first down. Not sure about this year haven’t seen no stats but all I know is that he made a hell of a lot of first downs with his catches and kept a lot of drivesgoing and scored a number of touchdowns and lead this team the way no one else has for years. 

@tacosman said:

dorsey is looking at it as a sunk cost vs future cost thing too...and looking at what we already paid him vs cap hit if traded(based on that bonus)....so it's not that simple.  Dorsey could

very well be saying "yeah, I missed that one and wish we could get rid of him" but when looking at what we gave him in terms of up front signing bonus and how that is spread out over cap it may make sense to cut bait after next year and not now.  Doesn't mean he would do it again

& I (and many other have said) did we know at the time we were overpaying for Landry?  Certainly. We were also getting a three time Pro Bowl WR that was a 1,000 yard 100  catch guy for 4th and 7th round draft picks.... Javis also immediately became the best WR on the roster short of the totally unreliable, and soon to be suspended Josh Gordon.... 

Thing is, as the team improves- Dorsey may not have to overpay for talent. And when the option years start coming up for players like Garrett, the way Landry's contract is structured, he  can be moved or cut without destroying the cap.  If I'm reading Spotrac correctly, this season we'll have paid almost all of his guaranteed money. 

I don't know why a few guys are so damn upset that this year (and only for this year, with tons of cap room) we're paying Jarvis Odell Beckham\ Julio Jones sort of money...  If you wan't to look at it this way $5 million of Jarvis' salary is for being a great cheerleader, role model...  

@the-gipper said:

What makes you think that a possession  wide receiver can’t be a star wide receiver. 

probably the fact that everything about him(YAC, yp target, first down %) is low for any type of reciever.

His catches result in a first down less than most starters in the league.  Thats not good.  

@hoorta said:

London and Taco are essentially parroting arguments we heard from some of the " experts" when the Landry trade rumors stated heating up. He's not that good and not worth the money. Either you buy that POV, or you don't. Dorsey didn't, and I'll side with John.

dorsey is looking at it as a sunk cost vs future cost thing too...and looking at what we already paid him vs cap hit if traded(based on that bonus)....so it's not that simple.  Dorsey could

very well be saying "yeah, I missed that one and wish we could get rid of him" but when looking at what we gave him in terms of up front signing bonus and how that is spread out over cap it may make sense to cut bait after next year and not now.  Doesnt mean he would do it again

@baconhound said:

Landry is a possession WR being paid like a star WR.  Like others have said I don't care what they pay him until the cap becomes an issue.  Good for him making the Pro Bowl but it also illustrates it isn't a measure of top tier talent in the league since his numbers are good at best.

What makes you think that a possession  wide receiver can’t be a star wide receiver. 

@hoorta said:

London and Taco are essentially parroting arguments we heard from some of the " experts" when the Landry trade rumors stated heating up. He's not that good and not worth the money. Either you buy that POV, or you don't. Dorsey didn't, and I'll side with John.

Yes and no.  Dorsey may trade or cut him when, or should we say if, money gets tight.  Right now Landry makes sense but that doesn't mean he will be in Cleveland  and fulfill the years of his deal.

@baconhound said:

Landry is a possession WR being paid like a star WR.  Like others have said I don't care what they pay him until the cap becomes an issue.  Good for him making the Pro Bowl but it also illustrates it isn't a measure of top tier talent in the league since his numbers are good at best.

London and Taco are essentially parroting arguments we heard from some of the " experts" when the Landry trade rumors stated heating up. He's not that good and not worth the money. Either you buy that POV, or you don't. Dorsey didn't, and I'll side with John.