@tiamat63 said:

Needless to say,  I don't think highly of Murray as a 1st round pick.   Russell Wilson was a 3rd rounder and that is the comparison hill many seem to be dying on. 

Russell Wilson is the reason why Baker and Murray will likely both be #1 picks.. imo

Quick feet are one of the most important traits for a QB now, unless you have big arm and an elite level IQ(Brady, Brees, Manning) 

For the record I believe Haskins might be on that elite level, it might just take some time for him depending on what situation he lands in. 

@ballpeen said:

I understand your line of thinking, but the new coach doesn't care.  The current QB isn't the type of QB he needs to implement his system.  So there is that to consider.

And great coaches adapt their systems to the talent on hand. Shades of the Huebatross telling noodle arm Kessler to throw it deep. KKs coaching ability is somewhat suspect based on what he did in the college ranks.

@texasag1969 said:

The problem is that Murray is still a run first QB who can't read an NFL defense. That is the double dose of disaster about to happen to the Cards. The interviews at the combine are telling the  real scouts all they need to know to say "pass". Murray will prove to be a fool for not sticking with baseball IMO.

If the reports coming out of the Combine are true, the Cards will be making a humongous mistake drafting Murray @ #1 overall.

Interviewed poorly, and didn't do well on the white board- supposedly. OTOH, Baker blew Marriucci away with how good he was discussing plays. We do know opposing GMs will intentionally bad mouth a player in the hope said player will fall far enough for them to draft him.

I will be mighty curious when the Wunderlich scores start leaking out.

@the-gipper said:

Trivia question:

Which NFL franchise has lost more games than any other in history.....and why?

Can I guess Cardinals, because they've been around for a while?

@texasag1969 said:

The problem is that Murray is still a run first QB who can't read an NFL defense. That is the double dose of disaster about to happen to the Cards. The interviews at the combine are telling the  real scouts all they need to know to say "pass". Murray will prove to be a fool for not sticking with baseball IMO.

Trivia question:

Which NFL franchise has lost more games than any other in history.....and why?

There are times he looks like he is just "scanning" For an open receiver when his primary isn't an option.   

Baker did this last year although to a much,  much lesser extent.   And instead of running to run,  he scrambled to throw.   

Needless to say,  I don't think highly of Murray as a 1st round pick.   Russell Wilson was a 3rd rounder and that is the comparison hill many seem to be dying on. 

@texasag1969 said:

The problem is that Murray is still a run first QB who can't read an NFL defense. That is the double dose of disaster about to happen to the Cards. The interviews at the combine are telling the  real scouts all they need to know to say "pass". Murray will prove to be a fool for not sticking with baseball IMO.

RGKnee 2.0

@ballpeen said:

I understand your line of thinking, but the new coach doesn't care.  The current QB isn't the type of QB he needs to implement his system.  So there is that to consider.

The problem is that Murray is still a run first QB who can't read an NFL defense. That is the double dose of disaster about to happen to the Cards. The interviews at the combine are telling the  real scouts all they need to know to say "pass". Murray will prove to be a fool for not sticking with baseball IMO.

@hoorta said:

I think it was in nfl.com 'peen- but if they do that, it's an unbelievable sunk cost. You're trading a 2018 first, third, and fifth for a 2019 third, or (best case scenario) a second?  I agree Rosen's rookie stats aren't great- if you compare them to Baker's, but as Ag said- that whole Cardinals team was pretty stinko. 

Assuming they would do the sane thing and take Bosa or Williams, they just might still be bad enough this year to take a top QB in 2020, or Rosen may improve enough to make drafting a different QB unnecessary.  (See Browns- Garrett, Mayfield).  

I understand your line of thinking, but the new coach doesn't care.  The current QB isn't the type of QB he needs to implement his system.  So there is that to consider.

@ballpeen said:

I don't disagree, but if the Cards do draft Murray, it looks like they feel that way.

I think it was in nfl.com 'peen- but if they do that, it's an unbelievable sunk cost. You're trading a 2018 first, third, and fifth for a 2019 third, or (best case scenario) a second?  I agree Rosen's rookie stats aren't great- if you compare them to Baker's, but as Ag said- that whole Cardinals team was pretty stinko. 

Assuming they would do the sane thing and take Bosa or Williams, they just might still be bad enough this year to take a top QB in 2020, or Rosen may improve enough to make drafting a different QB unnecessary.  (See Browns- Garrett, Mayfield).  

@texasag1969 said:

And I agree with those who think it is way too early to pronounce Rosen as a blown pick. Get him an OL and rebuild his D!

I don't disagree, but if the Cards do draft Murray, it looks like they feel that way.

@sd_tom said:

The entire team was so bad,  kinda tough to grade Rosen.  

Hey,  all that matters is that the Browns finally got the qb right. 

Cannot wait till September. 

Yea they were terrible, and UCLA wasn’t the best, which is basically why my only impression of Rosen is that the ball looks really good coming out of his hands ?

@ballpeen said:

  The only thing worse than blowing a top pick is sticking with a blown pick.

And I agree with those who think it is way too early to pronounce Rosen as a blown pick. Get him an OL and rebuild his D!

@hoorta said:

They trade Rosen, means they're 100% sure Murray is going to be Aaron Rodgers good. I'm not. Absolutely

for a team to give up on a high first round QB after one season. And Rosen wasn't that bad.

I initially laughed at the thought #32 that's all Rosen was worth. Turns out, the talking heads at the Combine asked some GMs off the record- and it's even less! Third round. Shocking, to say the least. 

Talk about buying high, and selling low. Sounds like a pre Dorsey Brownsian screw up waiting to happen. As said by Gumby, a Manzelian splash PR move by a GM wanting to save his job. Not only that, besides giving up on Rosen, they gave the Raiders third and fifth round picks to get him in the first place.

Go to show any team can flub it up.

I agree with Hoorta it will be unprecedented to trade Rosen at this point, but I don't see room on the team for both players.  No doubt that would split the team and fanbase.  

I said this back in the Couch days.  The only thing worse than blowing a top pick is sticking with a blown pick.

@clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

Chalk it up to him being a rich kid with an attitude, because he sure can spin it.

The entire team was so bad,  kinda tough to grade Rosen.  

Hey,  all that matters is that the Browns finally got the qb right. 

Cannot wait till September. 

@hoorta said:

I initially laughed at the thought #32 that's all Rosen was worth. Turns out, the talking heads at the Combine asked some GMs off the record- and it's even less! Third round. Shocking, to say the least. 

Chalk it up to him being a rich kid with an attitude, because he sure can spin it.

@ballpeen said:

Rosen will get traded.  Maybe to the Giants?  They are looking for a QB to take over for Manning next year.  A year of sitting behind Manning might do Rosen some good.

They trade Rosen, means they're 100% sure Murray is going to be Aaron Rodgers good. I'm not. Absolutely unprecedented for a team to give up on a high first round QB after one season. And Rosen wasn't that bad.

@the-gipper said:

More reports say that will be Haskins' fate.   And a lot say that Rosen could be going to the Pats to sit behind Brady for their #32 pick.

I initially laughed at the thought #32 that's all Rosen was worth. Turns out, the talking heads at the Combine asked some GMs off the record- and it's even less! Third round. Shocking, to say the least. 

Talk about buying high, and selling low. Sounds like a pre Dorsey Brownsian screw up waiting to happen. As said by Gumby, a Manzelian splash PR move by a GM wanting to save his job. Not only that, besides giving up on Rosen, they gave the Raiders third and fifth round picks to get him in the first place.

@gumby73 said:

The owner in Zona maybe on the same short bus Haslam drove for Manziel at the draft?

lol.....classic!

As per Rosen....I don't see how you give up on a high 1st round QB draft pick in 1 year.   That would certainly be 'short bus' material.

@ballpeen said:

Rosen will get traded.  Maybe to the Giants?  They are looking for a QB to take over for Manning next year.  A year of sitting behind Manning might do Rosen some good.

More reports say that will be Haskins' fate.   And a lot say that Rosen could be going to the Pats to sit behind Brady for their #32 pick.

@texasag1969 said:

And I have no idea why the Cards would take a coach who rose on the coattails of a backyard QB like JM and a great player like Mahomes. I'm calling a big fail on that coaching pick right now.

GM Steve Keim is a bafloon..He grabbed the coattails of Zona, back in 1999 as a scout & has never been let go(yet). The owner in Zona maybe on the same short bus Haslam drove for Manziel at the draft? Keim & KK both got 4 year deals, Keim got extended in Feb of 2018, than in July of 18, Keim blows a extreme DUi of .19..As most owners have proved. Keim maybe looking for that last big splash with Kyler to save his...job....? long wick till april

@ballpeen said:

Rosen will get traded.  Maybe to the Giants?  They are looking for a QB to take over for Manning next year.  A year of sitting behind Manning might do Rosen some good.

I am not a defender of Murray as a pick. I watched his inability to read defenses and his pop fly long ball that was a joy for SEC DB's before transferring to OK., which had one of the best OLs anywhere and lower level of competition. He was still a run first QB and that does not bode well in the NFL. It's also why he never beat out Baker, but had to inherit the job his last and only full year of starting as a college QB. He should have stuck with baseball. 

That said he will still go high in a QB needy league in a down year for QBs. And I agree Rosen would fair better with the Giants. And I have no idea why the Cards would take a coach who rose on the coattails of a backyard QB like JM and a great player like Mahomes. I'm calling a big fail on that coaching pick right now.

@hoorta said:

Not as far fetched (regarding Murray) as I thought a week ago. So what happens to Rosen? And their defense is in serious need of help...   

Rosen will get traded.  Maybe to the Giants?  They are looking for a QB to take over for Manning next year.  A year of sitting behind Manning might do Rosen some good.