@gunz41 said:

Yes, I agree with you on the franchise thing, but they are looking at it semantically. In any case, I believe that anything can be pointed out without the need to be harsh with it.

And no, you weren't saying it to Ghoolie, it was something about him being a jerk to Squealer fans, and you made a quiz, and then nobody answered and that was your response. Something like that.

And I guess you missed my point, while I don't find the question I asked insulting or offensive, the answer shouldn't be to one up the offensive act. It would be to explain why you found it offensive.

And sure, that is a lot crueler. I just used that work instead of mean, as I am sure someone could construe telling Ghoolie how he looked was mean. For lack of a better word, I meant cruel as in unnecessary meanness. Not to say you have done this, at least I don't remember it, you can have the same answer with a simple, "no that's wrong" or "you're an idiot." One comes off one way, the other a totally different way.

You’re really obsessed about this aren’t you. Why don’t you just try to be honest and answer the questions I put it on here honestly and we would be fine 

@the-gipper said:

Yes, I agree with you on the franchise thing, but they are looking at it semantically. In any case, I believe that anything can be pointed out without the need to be harsh with it.

And no, you weren't saying it to Ghoolie, it was something about him being a jerk to Squealer fans, and you made a quiz, and then nobody answered and that was your response. Something like that.

And I guess you missed my point, while I don't find the question I asked insulting or offensive, the answer shouldn't be to one up the offensive act. It would be to explain why you found it offensive.

And sure, that is a lot crueler. I just used that work instead of mean, as I am sure someone could construe telling Ghoolie how he looked was mean. For lack of a better word, I meant cruel as in unnecessary meanness. Not to say you have done this, at least I don't remember it, you can have the same answer with a simple, "no that's wrong" or "you're an idiot." One comes off one way, the other a totally different way.

Here you go.....my former client:

@gunz41 said:

I wasn't just speaking about being right on the trivia, so the red doesn't constitute what I meaning. One example I can recall, and I actually agreed with you, was the thing with the Browns moving and being the same or different franchise. You just would not let the other person have their opinion, you just kept on telling him how wrong he was.

Facts are facts, but some of the things I have seen aren't just fact based. That is the ones I have an issue with. With trivia, 99% of time it is right or wrong. 

The situation with the Browns is like the Trivia....there are FACTS that people must adhere to. There is NO opinion to whether or not the Browns franchised moved or did not move....It did NOT....and anyone that holds an "opinion" otherwise would be dead ass wrong factually.  So, NO, I am NOT going to let anyone have an "opinion" that is at variance with the actual facts. 

They can have an opinion on whether or not say, Peyton Manning or Tom Brady is the better QB....but the Cannot have an opinion on who threw more TD passes, or something definitive of that nature. 

As for only saying that to me, well this is the 1st one I remember doing, and as I said, I wasn't really trying to do it. The one that I recall, it was something with Ghoolie, maybe Steelers, and when nobody answered, your response was something of the effect of nobody was smart enough to answer them. That just came off arrogant to me. As I said earlier, I enjoy reading them, but don't feel like participating, but there are many reasons why they don't get answered.

OK, so you are going to base it all on something I may have said to Ghoolie to get his goat.  I think you know where that could have come from. Oi!

In all honesty, I think a lot of my issues come from more than you, or this board.

Have you talked to your therapist?

It just seems like with a lot of things now days that there is no more real discussion, its always an argument and nasty things. While I honestly didn't see an issue when I asked a pointed question a few weeks ago, you took it way too far in my opinion. Instead of just going with the "I don't find that question right to include my family" your reaction was to insult me. 

I found you question insulting....ergo to every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. I guess you just gotta learn more physics.

I think we as people can disagree with people, but I don't think you will ever see me be cruel. 

Nothing I have ever seen on here can be categorized as "cruel".  Hell, back in the mid 60s in junior high school we had "slam fests"  that were worse than anything I have seen on here.   In my profession I have seen cruelty of various natures,  including having had a serial killer for a client.  Plus there are thing that spouses do to each other, and what they have done to their kids.  

Nothing here is anything at all to be concerned with comparatively.

But it is what it is. You do you

Actually, I am known in my profession for being a bit too kind...too nice.  I could never be the rabid raccoon that some clients have wanted me to be. That does not mean I don't present a point of view if necessary.....nor be a stern...corrective teacher at times.

@the-gipper said:

I wasn't just speaking about being right on the trivia, so the red doesn't constitute what I meaning. One example I can recall, and I actually agreed with you, was the thing with the Browns moving and being the same or different franchise. You just would not let the other person have their opinion, you just kept on telling him how wrong he was.

Facts are facts, but some of the things I have seen aren't just fact based. That is the ones I have an issue with. With trivia, 99% of time it is right or wrong. 

As for only saying that to me, well this is the 1st one I remember doing, and as I said, I wasn't really trying to do it. The one that I recall, it was something with Ghoolie, maybe Steelers, and when nobody answered, your response was something of the effect of nobody was smart enough to answer them. That just came off arrogant to me. As I said earlier, I enjoy reading them, but don't feel like participating, but there are many reasons why they don't get answered.

In all honesty, I think a lot of my issues come from more than you, or this board. It just seems like with a lot of things now days that there is no more real discussion, its always an argument and nasty things. While I honestly didn't see an issue when I asked a pointed question a few weeks ago, you took it way too far in my opinion. Instead of just going with the "I don't find that question right to include my family" your reaction was to insult me. 

I think we as people can disagree with people, but I don't think you will ever see me be cruel. 

But it is what it is. You do you

Have a good one, God Bless

@gunz41 said:

Sorry Gipper, but I didn't go back and read the original post, since the others said 1950 in the post. Guess what, after seeing that I WAS WRONG there.

But, you might have contact nfl.com with this: 1960 it says Lucas with Bills. And no round with Norton. 

Oops. I miscounted, so WRONG by me again, I have count of 7 for USC and Cal. Again, going of nfl.com.

And from my count, which certainly could be wrong, I have by what is listed, Colts with 9, Redskins with 8.

Recall this:   from like 1960-1965 there were drafts by both the AFL and the NFL.   Lucas was likely drafted by both the Bills and the Redskins.  (Joe Namath was drafted by the Cardinals of the NFL)

And I have given you the data from  PFR.   I don't know how PFR and NFL.com can have different information.  I think the PFR stuff that I listed and referenced may have just been from the NFL...and not the AFL draft. 

On Cal/USC....those ARE the two schools with the most QBs taken in round one since 1950...but on second check it is only  6 each, not 8.   I think I just wrote down the wrong number when I listed this.

And fyi,   Notre Dame, Oregon, and Stanford have 5 each, just after those two.  (4 of those 5 schools are Pac 12!)

@gunz41 said:

No, you put it up, didn't get the answers and then replied they weren't going to answer themselves. You have also on others replied that nobody answered because they weren't smart enough. 

I have probably only said that to you because of your kuntlike behavior

Again I have NO ISSUE with you doing them. You just shouldn't hop on your high horse the way you do and always try and tell everyone how wrong they are. I have read so many times where you tell everyone how wrong they are on something, yet refuse to see their side (whether I agree or not). You don't just say, well I disagree and this is why, no you say "you are wrong..."

I never have had problem with people giving wrong answers.  I do respond "NO"  in red when an answer is wrong.  That is just for color coding purposes.  Green is right, blue is partial answer, red is  no.  Maybe you get butthurt because you are offended at a Red NO..and you think that somehow that is me being pissy with people. Its not.

Again, as it is the one that sticks in my head, you said something about Clemson being the 1st one to go 15-0. And said how are they the 1st. When pointed out how, instead of saying, "yea I forgot about that one, etc" your answer is "I know how it happened."

I have made any number of mistakes on these.  Even though it may seem that way, I am not infallible.  I even overlooked something in this one that you caught...the Rams.  I admit when I make a mistake of fact.  And, in fact, on the Clemson one...I indeed said "I didn't catch that one". 

Honestly, I don't think you are a bad guy, and most of the time I enjoy reading your stuff. Even if I don't answer, I actually like looking at your trivia stuff, but it runs me the wrong way when you seem like you always want to tell people they are wrong definitively,

Again, I just think you get butthurt at the big red NO's.  That is all I can figure.  So, maybe just for your future answers, I will give you a tiny pink no...just so you won't be offended.

like you are smarter than everyone. At times, you seem to post like you deserve to be more of a fan than someone else, and deserve to be right about everything.

Its not a matter of deserving to be right.  Its just that I know this shit pretty good....and if I know that I am right....why should I cowtow to less informed persons.

See my Streets of Tombstone thread.

As for deserving to more of a fan....I have never said that.  Nor think that.  There are guys on here that have gone just as long as I have without having seen the Browns win a title....and a few of these guys  spend thousands and thousands of dollars on PSLs, tickets, travel, concessions....a hell of a lot more than I have ever been willing to spend. Those guys are likely more "die hard" than I am...I readily admit that.

To me, even if I think I am right, I try to realize that others have different opinions and are entitled to those.

It is as I told my nephew who was with me on that Arizona/New Mex trip:   Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but not everyone is entitled to their own set of facts. 

And, of course, as you should know, in my business, facts are all important. It is my job to discern what the actual facts are. To weigh factual evidence.  To gauage its credibility, to comprehend how two people can interpret the same facts differently.

Take care man, God Bless

@the-gipper said:

Sorry Gipper, but I didn't go back and read the original post, since the others said 1950 in the post. Guess what, after seeing that I WAS WRONG there.

But, you might have contact nfl.com with this: 1960 it says Lucas with Bills. And no round with Norton. 

Oops. I miscounted, so WRONG by me again, I have count of 7 for USC and Cal. Again, going of nfl.com.

And from my count, which certainly could be wrong, I have by what is listed, Colts with 9, Redskins with 8.

Drafted Players

Drafted Players

@gunz41 said:

1a. Rams: Gabriel, Baker, Munson   I may have missed these...but Redskins did as well.

1b. 49ers: Morrall, Brodie; Colts: Shaw, Davidson; Colts: Schlichter, Elway  You missed the Dolphins..and the Redskins

2. I didn't see any

3. Agganis bypassed a football career to play baseball.

4. You already said correct

5. .788 winning percentage  As I said, Otto not drafted past 1950.

6. Colts have taken 9. Next Redskins with 8  I have it the other way around.   Have to check.

7. USC and Cal both with 6  Actually, I have 8 each.

8. Saints only 1st round pick Archie Manning 

9. Unless you were looking for multiple people, which in that case I admit I was wrong as I just looked at TDs, Peyton is the answer

10. You said 1 more INT than Vinny, which is Hadl.

So like I said, I looked them up, not trying to be dishonest, as I had planned the entire time to say I did. But IF any of these are incorrect, you may want to take that up with NFL.com, as that is where I found the list of 1st round picks.?

I used PFR primarily. 

@the-gipper said:

No, you put it up, didn't get the answers and then replied they weren't going to answer themselves. You have also on others replied that nobody answered because they weren't smart enough. 

Again I have NO ISSUE with you doing them. You just shouldn't hop on your high horse the way you do and always try and tell everyone how wrong they are. I have read so many times where you tell everyone how wrong they are on something, yet refuse to see their side (whether I agree or not). You don't just say, well I disagree and this is why, no you say "you are wrong..."

Again, as it is the one that sticks in my head, you said something about Clemson being the 1st one to go 15-0. And said how are they the 1st. When pointed out how, instead of saying, "yea I forgot about that one, etc" your answer is "I know how it happened."

Honestly, I don't think you are a bad guy, and most of the time I enjoy reading your stuff. Even if I don't answer, I actually like looking at your trivia stuff, but it runs me the wrong way when you seem like you always want to tell people they are wrong definitively, like you are smarter than everyone. At times, you seem to post like you deserve to be more of a fan than someone else, and deserve to be right about everything. To me, even if I think I am right, I try to realize that others have different opinions and are entitled to those.

Take care man, God Bless

@the-gipper said:

Here is your first set of NFL Draft Trivia.   Here we concentrate on First Round Quarterbacks.  Everything here applies from 1950 to current.

1A.  What is the ONLY team that drafted a QB in the Top Ten picks of the draft.....3 years in a row!?

The Washington Redskins drafted QB Don Allard  #4 in 1959,  QB Richie Lucas #4 in 1960, and QB Norm Snead #2 in 1961

1B.  Besides the team in  A.  three other teams drafted  QBs in the Top Ten picks of the draft  2 years in a row.  Name them if you can.

The Baltimore Colts:  Cotton Davidson #5 in 1954 and QB George Shaw #1 in 1955 (and that same year acquired John Unitas)

The Baltimore Colts: Art Schlichter #4 in 1982,  John Elway #1 in 1983 (traded)

The Miami Dolphins:  Rick Norton #2 in 1966, Bob Griese #4 in 1967

The SF 49ers:  Earl Morrall #2 in 1956,  John Brodie #3 in 1957

2.  True or False.   If Kyler Murray is taken with a Top Ten draft pick,  Oklahoma will be the first school ever to have had QBs from that school taken in the Top Ten in consecutive drafts?

True, no QBs from any school has gone in the Top Ten two years in a row.  A few went 2 years apart, but not back to back.

3. The Cleveland Browns once drafted a QB in the first round.....who never threw a pass in the NFL.   Name him. 

Harry Agannis,  went to play baseball instead.  They also drafte Bobby Garrett #1 overall...and he threw like 9 career passes.

4. Who is the oldest QB ever taken in the first round of the draft, since 1950?

Brandon Weeden  Age 28

5. What QB taken in the first round of the draft, with at least a full season of starts...i.e. minimum 16 starts,  has the best overall winning percentage. (hint...remember, Tom Brady was not a first round pick).

Patrick Mahomes with his 13-4 record is the best of any QB taken in the first round since 1950.  Peyton is next.   Gunz got this wrong because he can't read instructions.....OG drafted pre-1950....the first line of the quiz says it only applies post 1950. 

6. Which team since 1950 has taken the most QBs in the first round of the draft?

The Washington Redskins have drafted  9 QBs in round one.  (The Colts and the Browns are next with 8 each)

7. Which two colleges are tied for having the most QBs taken in the first round of the draft, since 1950?

USC and California have had 8 each taken in that time.

8. Since 1950, just one team has only ever taken 1 QB in the first round of the draft.  (all 31 other teams have selected at least 2 QBs in round one).

The New Orleans Saints only QB drafted in round one....in their history, was Archie Manning.  

9. Which first round QB draftee holds all of the following record for first round QBs, since 1950:  Most Pro Bowls, most years as a starter, most games as a starter, most attempts/completions/yards/TDs...but NOT most interceptions.

This is Peyton

10. Which first round QB draftee DOES hold the record for most  career interceptions?  And I will give you a hint here:  it is NOT Vinny Testaverde, who is #2 on that list....he threw 1 less int. than the person who is the answer.

John Hadl had 268 ints,   Vinny 267  for most all time.

1b. 49ers: Morrall, Brodie; Colts: Shaw, Davidson; Colts: Schlichter, Elway

2. I didn't see any

3. Agganis bypassed a football career to play baseball.

4. You already said correct

5. .788 winning percentage 

6. Colts have taken 9. Next Redskins with 8

7. USC and Cal both with 6

8. Saints only 1st round pick Archie Manning 

9. Unless you were looking for multiple people, which in that case I admit I was wrong as I just looked at TDs, Peyton is the answer

10. You said 1 more INT than Vinny, which is Hadl.

So like I said, I looked them up, not trying to be dishonest, as I had planned the entire time to say I did. But IF any of these are incorrect, you may want to take that up with NFL.com, as that is where I found the list of 1st round picks.?

@gunz41 said:

Nope, because I had said in the past that if someone answered them that you would either say they cheated, jump at chance to tell them they were wrong, and say something when people dont answer them. 

IF I were a dishonest person, I would have never said I looked them up. So sorry, you cant be right there. But go ahead and say that you could answer these questions before you made the quiz. 

I'm sorry, but it did prove my point. And I have absolutely no issue with you doing these, you enjoy it.

But whatever, it doesn't matter what anyone says to anything you say, you will dig in even harder to not admit you could ever be wrong, or see the other side of something. But I think you might enjoy arguing/telling someone they are wrong more than your trivia. 

The only point that you have proven is that you are a kunt.

And that you are at least truthful that you are a cheat and a dishonest person.  Yet you couldn't even cheat right. You got 4 wrong even by looking them up.

So, that is another point you made:  you are an incompetent researcher.  

There are a number of other people that participate in these, and who like playing....and they are not kunts, cheats and whiners. Yet you have decided that you must rain on all their parades because you are Oh so butthurt sensitive over something...that no one, least of all me, knows anything about.

Which, again, is the only point I see you making.

@the-gipper said:

What it does is that it makes you a Khunta Kinte for cheating.   

Actually, what it says is that you have announced to the world that you are a dishonest person.   So be it.  

Those are the only "points"  that I see you having made. 

And yet, even having looked them up, I see at least 3 wrong answers..and at least one more that is incomplete,  not including #9.

Nope, because I had said in the past that if someone answered them that you would either say they cheated, jump at chance to tell them they were wrong, and say something when people dont answer them. 

IF I were a dishonest person, I would have never said I looked them up. So sorry, you cant be right there. But go ahead and say that you could answer these questions before you made the quiz. 

I'm sorry, but it did prove my point. And I have absolutely no issue with you doing these, you enjoy it.

But whatever, it doesn't matter what anyone says to anything you say, you will dig in even harder to not admit you could ever be wrong, or see the other side of something. But I think you might enjoy arguing/telling someone they are wrong more than your trivia. 

@gunz41 said:

Nope, I did it on purpose. I looked everyone up except #9. I was trying to prove a point. Even ones I knew the answer for I looked up for that point.

So go ahead and tell me which are wrong.

What it does is that it makes you a Khunta Kinte for cheating.   

Actually, what it says is that you have announced to the world that you are a dishonest person.   So be it.  

Those are the only "points"  that I see you having made. 

And yet, even having looked them up, I see at least 3 wrong answers..and at least one more that is incomplete,  not including #9.

@the-gipper said:

Some are right and some are wrong.  We shall carry on with others getting their chances.

Nope, I did it on purpose. I looked everyone up except #9. I was trying to prove a point. Even ones I knew the answer for I looked up for that point.

So go ahead and tell me which are wrong.

@gunz41 said:

1a. Rams

1b. Colts, Colts, 49ers

2. True

3. Harry Agganis

4.  Brandon Weeden

5. Otto Graham 

6. Colts

7. USC and CAL

8. New Orleans 

9. Peyton Manning 

10. John Hadl

Some are right and some are wrong.  We shall carry on with others getting their chances.

@gunz41 said:

1a. Rams

1b. Colts, Colts, 49ers

2. True

3. Harry Agganis

4.  Brandon Weeden

5. Otto Graham 

6. Colts

7. USC and CAL

8. New Orleans 

9. Peyton Manning 

10. John Hadl

Only number four is correct. Or wait let me doublecheck I’ll get back with you tomorrow

@the-gipper said:

Here is your first set of NFL Draft Trivia.   Here we concentrate on First Round Quarterbacks.  Everything here applies from 1950 to current.

1A.  What is the ONLY team that drafted a QB in the Top Ten picks of the draft.....3 years in a row!?

1B.  Besides the team in  A.  three other teams drafted  QBs in the Top Ten picks of the draft  2 years in a row.  Name them if you can.

2.  True or False.   If Kyler Murray is taken with a Top Ten draft pick,  Oklahoma will be the first school ever to have had QBs from that school taken in the Top Ten in consecutive drafts?

3. The Cleveland Browns once drafted a QB in the first round.....who never threw a pass in the NFL.   Name him.

4. Who is the oldest QB ever taken in the first round of the draft, since 1950?

5. What QB taken in the first round of the draft, with at least a full season of starts...i.e. minimum 16 starts,  has the best overall winning percentage. (hint...remember, Tom Brady was not a first round pick).

6. Which team since 1950 has taken the most QBs in the first round of the draft?

7. Which two colleges are tied for having the most QBs taken in the first round of the draft, since 1950?

8. Since 1950, just one team has only ever taken 1 QB in the first round of the draft.  (all 31 other teams have selected at least 2 QBs in round one).

9. Which first round QB draftee holds all of the following record for first round QBs, since 1950:  Most Pro Bowls, most years as a starter, most games as a starter, most attempts/completions/yards/TDs...but NOT most interceptions.

10. Which first round QB draftee DOES hold the record for most  career interceptions?  And I will give you a hint here:  it is NOT Vinny Testaverde, who is #2 on that list....he threw 1 less int. than the person who is the answer.

1a. Rams

1b. Colts, Colts, 49ers

2. True

3. Harry Agganis

4.  Brandon Weeden

5. Otto Graham 

6. Colts

7. USC and CAL

8. New Orleans 

9. Peyton Manning 

10. John Hadl

@chimpy07 said:

Isn't number 4 Brandon Weeden? 

I'm from the UK btw with limited knowledge so please keep that in mind before ripping on me

Who would be ripping you? 

You got that one right!.  Check

I'm from the UK btw with limited knowledge so please keep that in mind before ripping on me

@nero said:

I'll keep waiting. They can do much better.

By that do you mean they will get easier?  

I would say, 7 out of these 10 questions are hard.   A couple should be easy peasy.  One is a no brainer, asks just true or false.