@tour2ma said:

Trust me... if you can't "teach" me anything about this game... and you can't... then there is no way you can teach tia anything.

I can teach you plenty.  You are just too obtuse to learn and to realize it, or too arrogant to think that there is nothing further you need to learn. 

However, if I ever want to learn how to become a pluperfect pussilanimous pedantic putz, I will know where to turn to.

@the-gipper said:

I have never put anyone on ignore. (not even Ghoolie)  I am not a chickenshit asshole  who is afraid of someone disagreeing with me or learning something new like some of you apparently are.

Trust me... if you can't "teach" me anything about this game... and you can't... then there is no way you can teach tia anything.

@tiamat63 said:

I'll be real,  I have the Gip on ignore and didn't pay attention to the whole convo lol. 

That's a solid my bad there. 

I have never put anyone on ignore. (not even Ghoolie)  I am not a chickenshit asshole  who is afraid of someone disagreeing with me or learning something new like some of you apparently are.

@tour2ma said:

Also not an SS...

.. and butt out, tia...

I'll be real,  I have the Gip on ignore and didn't pay attention to the whole convo lol. 

That's a solid my bad there. 

@tour2ma said:

Also not an SS...

.. and butt out, tia...

FS,  SS  whatever.  I am sure there are plenty of each that were 4th rounders that were as good as Peppers has been.  You probably know them better than I.

@the-gipper said:

Tashawn Gipson undrafted

Also not an SS...

.. and butt out, tia...

@tour2ma said:

Name some 4th-round SSs with Peppers production...

Adrian Amos and Glover Quinn come to mind. 

@tour2ma said:

Name some 4th-round SSs with Peppers production...

Tashawn Gipson undrafted

@the-gipper said:

Not all first rounders produce like 4th rounders either.

Some first round picks like Justin Gilbert, Johnny Manziel, and Mike Junkin wouldn't survive in the AAF. 

@the-gipper said:

Not all first rounders produce like 4th rounders either.

Name some 4th-round SSs with Peppers production...

@clevfan4life said:

Didn't pep essentially outright win us like 2 games and was also the greatest contributor in a couple other wins?

No.  There is no doubt that he helped some.  Any starting strong safety is expected to help some. He did OK,  but he was not irreplaceable. Again, the issue is not how good he was, but was he deemed expendable in order to get a top notch proven talent.   He was....by John Dorsey...and NO ONE ELSE"S opinion counts.

@tour2ma said:

Not all 1st rounders are 1st ballot HOFers.

Not all first rounders produce like 4th rounders either.

@clevfan4life said:

Didn't pep essentially outright win us like 2 games and was also the greatest contributor in a couple other wins?

Don't confuse naysayers with facts...

@hoorta said:

He was OK Tour. To date, wasn't reminding me of Ronnie Lott or Ed Reed....  I guess if you get a fairly solid starter our of a fist round pick, you certainly can't call him a bust... 

Not all 1st rounders are 1st ballot HOFers.

@tour2ma said:

"Not now"?

And you are undervaluing Peppers...

He was OK Tour. To date, wasn't reminding me of Ronnie Lott or Ed Reed....  I guess if you get a fairly solid starter our of a fist round pick, you certainly can't call him a bust... 

@tour2ma said:

"Not now"?

And you are undervaluing Peppers...

Maybe it was my punctuation:    Do we not, now, have a hole to fill?  (answer, yes, we do now have a hole to fill)

And I didn't make the evaluation...I just repeated it.

And you are undervaluing Peppers...

@hoorta said:

But was Jabril playing like a first round pick? Saw in another thread, if we had wanted to move Peppers by himself, he was worth a fourth, I'll be generous and say maybe a third. 

BTW, your remaining draft picks was correct. We swapped back the fifth and fourth round picks in the Vernon trade as part of the OBJ deal.

Yes, despite the droolings of one guy on here, I would say that Peppers alone would have been worth a 4th rounder. 

Nevertheless, do we not now have a hole there to fill.....expecially since we won't be getting Thomas

@hoorta said:

But was Jabril playing like a first round pick? Saw in another thread, if we had wanted to move Peppers by himself, he was worth a fourth, I'll be generous and say maybe a third. 

BTW, your remaining draft picks was correct. We swapped back the fifth and fourth round picks in the Vernon trade as part of the OBJ deal.

I was generous in posting the trade value exchange for OBJ vs 3 players by keeping him worth a late 1st when in reality I felt he was a 3rd. Any other team he would not have been a starter most likely.

@the-gipper said:

Well.....in reality, we did give up 2 firsts for OBJ......Peppers...a first round pick, and our #17.

But was Jabril playing like a first round pick? Saw in another thread, if we had wanted to move Peppers by himself, he was worth a fourth, I'll be generous and say maybe a third. 

BTW, your remaining draft picks was correct. We swapped back the fifth and fourth round picks in the Vernon trade as part of the OBJ deal.

@hoorta said:

What part of not giving up two firsts did you miss? At least 1\2 right. The crystal ball was a little bit murky.

Well.....in reality, we did give up 2 firsts for OBJ......Peppers...a first round pick, and our #17.

@tour2ma said:

So much for NostraHoorta...

What part of not giving up two firsts did you miss? At least 1\2 right. The crystal ball was a little bit murky.

@hoorta said:

The horse still isn't dead yet? 

We aren't giving up two firsts for him. If Antonio Brown was worth a third and a fifth, we offer the Giants a second. Take it or leave it. Ravens could be in the market with Mosely and Suggs off the books. Steelers are cap strapped, and the Bengals have AJ Green. 

OBJ's contract isn't as hatefull as I originally thought, hence the Browns might be interested. $20 million, each of the next two years. Question is- does Dorsey want the drama?  https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/odell-beckham-jr-14421/

So much for NostraHoorta...