@jrb12711 said:

I guess it's hard to validate until the first round picks play out, but I'm not sure I see the logic there.

I'd forgotten Mayock is now the GM...

What Grusome dismembered, Mikey is fixin'...

@flugel said:

Pittsburgh also gave extensions and raises to 2 of their Dime-a-Dozens upfront in the last week - despite what 1 angry Memphis Downwind always blew at us... 

  Fatasses paid by the pound.

@hoorta said:

Waiting for our pal Vagitron to show up on how the Steelers are going to find another Antonio with the third round pick they got from the Raiders. Ju-Ju + Connor ≠ Brown + Bell.  We'll see how Smith-Schuster fares this year when he's facing the other teams #1 CB every game. 

Pittsburgh also gave extensions and raises to 2 of their Dime-a-Dozens upfront in the last week - despite what 1 angry Memphis Downwind always blew at us... 

@hoorta said:

Waiting for our pal Vagitron to show up on how the Steelers are going to find another Antonio with the third round pick they got from the Raiders. Ju-Ju + Connor ≠ Brown + Bell.  We'll see how Smith-Schuster fares this year when he's facing the other teams #1 CB every game. 

I still think it highly probable that these "really good" WRs of the Steelers are that good for the same reason that the Pats always seem to have "good receivers".....because it is the QB that makes them look good.  And it has always helped their second guys that they have a good #1 WR.   Guys like Burris, Holmes, Wallace  etc. always played better in Pitt than they did elsewhere.

So, I expect Jujubee to still play well as long as BR is throwing to him.

@the-gipper said:

In the words of Joe Theismann....who gives a flying fadoodle about either the Steelers or the Raiders.  

I am glad to see the Squibs weakened and getting little in return.

And as far as I am concerned  AB can continue being a cancer in the Vagabond Mercenaries locker room.  He has had a HOF QB throwing to him his entire career.  What will be his whine when a lesser talented QB can't hit him in the seams and in the tight spots that BR could. (not that Carr is that bad....he is just not the overall QB that BR is)

Waiting for our pal Vagitron to show up on how the Steelers are going to find another Antonio with the third round pick they got from the Raiders. Ju-Ju + Connor ≠ Brown + Bell.  We'll see how Smith-Schuster fares this year when he's facing the other teams #1 CB every game. 

I am glad to see the Squibs weakened and getting little in return.

And as far as I am concerned  AB can continue being a cancer in the Vagabond Mercenaries locker room.  He has had a HOF QB throwing to him his entire career.  What will be his whine when a lesser talented QB can't hit him in the seams and in the tight spots that BR could. (not that Carr is that bad....he is just not the overall QB that BR is)

Mack is 28 and they freed up a shit ton of cap space letting go of him PLUS a 1st round draft pick this year and NEXT YEAR and a 5th rounder next year. 

They gave up Cooper, which to me is a bit of a head scratcher, as he is 1st round talent, but they got a 1st rounder for him and dropped 18 mil off their cap..

Gruden is now sitting on FOUR of the top 35 picks and 72 million or more in Cap space... I personally feel that Carr is their solution at QB and they won't have to go looking... Look for Raiders to be where we were this past year and make a run at it in 20/21....

@jrb12711 said:

So to recap the Raiders situation, they essentially

lost Khalil Mack (best rusher in the game) Cooper (strong young WR) and 3rd and fifth round picks

to

gain two first round picks (one will be used for a edge rusher) and Brown, admittedly the best WR in the NFL, but 30 years old and for a butt ton of money.

I guess it's hard to validate until the first round picks play out, but I'm not sure I see the logic there.

Actually, they gained 3 first round picks.  Two from Chicago, one from Dallas.  

Perhaps it is best just to look at the WR deal alone:

Raiders lost Cooper plus a 3rd rounder and a 5th rounder.....and they gained Brown and a first round pick.

lost Khalil Mack (best rusher in the game) Cooper (strong young WR) and 3rd and fifth round picks

to

gain two first round picks (one will be used for a edge rusher) and Brown, admittedly the best WR in the NFL, but 30 years old and for a butt ton of money.

I guess it's hard to validate until the first round picks play out, but I'm not sure I see the logic there.

@nero said:

Thank you Flugel, I think we can call him Annoying Brown from now on.

Am I the only one feeling that this tries to solve and hide the Amari Cooper fiasco?

I hear ya Nero.  Even if they solve the Cooper fiasco, Chicago's favorite Santa Claus is Jon Gruden for the Khalil Mack gift.  If you can get a Lawrence Taylor without the off-the-field baggage in a passing era - you don't give him up for the drafting abilities that got Gruden fired in Tampa. Word is he brought a work ethic barometer that matched how impressive his talent is; and the fans got to appreciate that and how it rubbed off on teammates every Sunday.   Lucky for Oakland, they hired Mayock in time to do something with some of the exchange value.    We shall see...

@the-gipper said:

As soon as they move to Vegas probably 

? I walked right into that one Gips...  The good news is we don't see him twice in the regular season any more...

@tour2ma said:

OAK gave up a 3rd and a 5th.

Steal of the young century...

Fair value in my opinion. As good as they were going to get

@flugel said:

The Oakland Raiders just got Antonio Brown and Drew Rosenhaus.   How long before he wants out of Oakland?

As soon as they move to Vegas probably 

@hoorta said:

As was said on NFL.com, it boils down to the Raiders got a first round pick, and only gave up a third and fifth swapping Amari Cooper for Antonio Brown.... 

LOL, where's Vagitron and that first round pick they were going to get for Brown?  And some guys thought we got jobbed only getting a 5th for Gordon....  Sure enough, Colbert was pretty desperate to unload Antonio for whatever he could get, and the best news (from a Browns perspective) is the Steelers are stuck with a $21 million cap hit.... 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001021716/article/steelers-to-trade-antonio-brown-to-raiders-who-won-who-lost

Losers- Kevin Colbert, Steelers general manager: Colbert swore up and down that they were comfortable holding on to Brown unless they received "significant compensation" in return. This deal tells a different story.

Trading Brown for only two mid-round picks -- at a significant cost to the team's salary cap -- shows the Steelers were ready to take the best offer possible. And there weren't many good offers to choose from, possibly because Brown only would accept going to a team ready to pay him. Brown will count as $21 million on Pittsburgh's cap this year,   nearly as much as Ben Roethlisberger. Colbert now has to replace Brown's production with far less cap space to do so. Brown certainly deserves his share of blame in how his relationship with the organization deteriorated, but Colbert is the one paying for it. Usually eating anywhere near this much "dead money" only happens when teams have to cut some huge personnel mistake, not the league leader in touchdowns.

Fuck the Stoolers , Larry.. They're pain and Misery will be our gain.... I won't feel one bit sorry for them , ever!

@tour2ma said:

OAK gave up a 3rd and a 5th.

Steal of the young century...

As was said on NFL.com, it boils down to the Raiders got a first round pick, and only gave up a third and fifth swapping Amari Cooper for Antonio Brown.... 

LOL, where's Vagitron and that first round pick they were going to get for Brown?  And some guys thought we got jobbed only getting a 5th for Gordon....  Sure enough, Colbert was pretty desperate to unload Antonio for whatever he could get, and the best news (from a Browns perspective) is the Steelers are stuck with a $21 million cap hit.... 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001021716/article/steelers-to-trade-antonio-brown-to-raiders-who-won-who-lost

Losers- Kevin Colbert, Steelers general manager: Colbert swore up and down that they were comfortable holding on to Brown unless they received "significant compensation" in return. This deal tells a different story.

Trading Brown for only two mid-round picks -- at a significant cost to the team's salary cap -- shows the Steelers were ready to take the best offer possible. And there weren't many good offers to choose from, possibly because Brown only would accept going to a team ready to pay him. Brown will count as $21 million on Pittsburgh's cap this year,   nearly as much as Ben Roethlisberger. Colbert now has to replace Brown's production with far less cap space to do so. Brown certainly deserves his share of blame in how his relationship with the organization deteriorated, but Colbert is the one paying for it. Usually eating anywhere near this much "dead money" only happens when teams have to cut some huge personnel mistake, not the league leader in touchdowns.

@tour2ma said:

OAK gave up a 3rd and a 5th.

Steal of the young century...

and they got a 1 for armani damn also his contract is for only 3 years then he is off the books

Steal of the young century...

This sets a huge precedent for upcoming CBA. I guarantee the owners are pissed about this big time.

@nero said:

Am I the only one feeling that this tries to solve and hide the Amari Cooper fiasco?

Sort of. AB is a bit more dangerous than Cooper imo. Good for the Raiders. It seems like a natural fit. 

Raiders we’re always the team that the cool kids used in Madden when I was growing up.. maybe it’s the black and silver?

@nero said:

Thank you Flugel, I think we can call him Annoying Brown from now on.

Am I the only one feeling that this tries to solve and hide the Amari Cooper fiasco?

I don't understand a team in complete rebuild mode trading for Brown now...?

Weird. 

@nero said:

As an architect... That house is ugly.

This is a guy who thinks a blonde mustache is a good look, so..... ?