@tour2ma said:

Who else had to google "based god"?

I noticed you didn't have to google "tossing our salads"... ?

ALL HAIL THE BASED GOD THAT IS CAPTAIN DORSEY!!! 

@tour2ma said:

Not by any pick value chart I know of, Gip...

And, yes, we can add developmental depth with the draft we have left, but I don't see it being enough.

That said... FA ain't over yet.

Worth asking.

And, yes, we can add developmental depth with the draft we have left, but I don't see it being enough.

That said... FA ain't over yet.

@the-gipper said:

And we still have now many draft picks to help those spots?  Here is a rundown:

 The 2019 NFL Draft order is set. The Browns have eight picks in the draft, but no longer have their first-rounder after trading for Odell Beckham Jr.

Here’s a breakdown of the Browns’ 2019 draft picks:

2019 NFL DRAFT

Second round: No. 49 (own pick).

Third round: No. 80 (own pick).

Fourth round: No. 119 (own pick).

Fifth round: No. 144 (Jaguars’ pick via Carlos Hyde trade); No. 155 (own pick); No. 170 (Patriots’ pick via Josh Gordon trade).

Sixth round: No. 189 (own pick).

Seventh round: No. 221 (Jaguars’ pick via Cody Kessler trade).

Didn't we swap one of our fifth round picks for the Giants fourth was part of the Zeitler - Vernon trade?

Not sure what it would take.

THAT would be another big move by Dorsey if he could do that.

@tour2ma said:

This year?

The AFCN title, league respect and a "dangerous" playoff opponent? Yes...

The whole ball o' wax? No...

Still need depth at key positions (LB, OL, DB) and lack playoff experience, but the vector is in the right direction.

And we still have now many draft picks to help those spots?  Here is a rundown:

 The 2019 NFL Draft order is set. The Browns have eight picks in the draft, but no longer have their first-rounder after trading for Odell Beckham Jr.

Here’s a breakdown of the Browns’ 2019 draft picks:

2019 NFL DRAFT

Second round: No. 49 (own pick).

Third round: No. 80 (own pick).

Fourth round: No. 119 (own pick).

Fifth round: No. 144 (Jaguars’ pick via Carlos Hyde trade); No. 155 (own pick); No. 170 (Patriots’ pick via Josh Gordon trade).

Sixth round: No. 189 (own pick).

Seventh round: No. 221 (Jaguars’ pick via Cody Kessler trade).

Yes.

The AFCN title, league respect and a "dangerous" playoff opponent? Yes...

The whole ball o' wax? No...

Still need depth at key positions (LB, OL, DB) and lack playoff experience, but the vector is in the right direction.

@darren15 said:

With the 17th pick in the 2019 NFL Draft The Cleveland Browns select : Odell Beckham JR ..Wide Receiver... New York Giants

I have to admit that trading for OBJ was like moving up for a proven #1 overall with a middle 1st, a late 3rd and an early 3rd (since he never showed any late 1st while here). Do the math with the draft value tables and we just robbed 'em. 3000 pts for #1 overall vs. 950 for #17 + around 600 for late 1st rounder (giving Peppers benefit of the play we have seen proving otherwise) + 120 for our 2nd 3rd rounder. Any way you look at it, at best it was a 3000+ proven point guy for 2000 max for the other 3. You take that every day of the week and twice on Sundays in the fall.

https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp?RequestTeam=Cle

That is our updated picks chart above. We still have 8 left. Hit on 3 and we do quite well with all we have added in trades & FA. Send that boy some more gum.

@mld-woody said:

Yes

Poor Woody... 

@atom said:

wasnt that because he had no one else to play back there 

Yes

@jcam222 said:

If the smoke clears and they bring in OBJ too I say he is in win now mode. We have  lot of players who 4 years out are going to be hard to keep the crew together. Relative to the OBJ to Cleveland there is simply too much smoke for it not to be true that they are pursuing him. 

If the trade for OBJ goes down it will be a rare moment under Dorsey when we saw a move of his coming, though... 

@hoorta said:

You're forgetting Williams MO on defense- don't get beat deep. Remember Peppers rookie year where Gregg had him playing so far back he was in a different time zone?

wasnt that because he had no one else to play back there 

@bobpound said:

I also wonder about William's and his play calling last year... It was a case of die by the pass or die by the run.. He chose run... We got to the QB a lot last year, but in the end, the OC's just adjusted to us and dumped out of the blitz and they killed us in the later half of the year...

The question is this. How good really is our secondary.. In watching all the games(Multiple times ) ... I noticed that our secondary rarely got burned long.. Was this a case of our secondary really being that good? Or was this a result of our blitz happy scheme. Where the QB never had the time to target long throws and instead dumped it out and had great luck with that, so why go long?

Does the addition of these two men change that dynamic?  Can we rely on a 4 man rush this up coming year, where we force them to pass more, but stop the run? Can our secondary really cover ?    I think in looking at the mix of the guys on the 4 man line, we have Garret who can get to the QB on the outside, combined with Oliver's ability to plug the middle, we might actually get the best of both worlds.. Pressure on the QB AND stuffing the run.. One can dream....

You're forgetting Williams MO on defense- don't get beat deep. Remember Peppers rookie year where Gregg had him playing so far back he was in a different time zone?

I'd say he's thinking long term not quick fix