@hoorta said:

I had to research it for you, absolute zero can't be obtained- but we've gotten mighty close. Like within 0.0001 of a degree Kelvin. Let's just say, for all practical purposes, we've gotten there.  

  If you're talking cryogenic freezing of bodies for thawing them out in the far future- MHO is it's never going to happen, at least with any technology we currently have. A little personal history. I worked in a Blood Bank reference lab. There's big problems freezing organic stuff for permanent storage. If you remember water expands when it freezes, right? And what's a primary constituent of living cells? Yup, water. We had\have an inventory of super duper rare cells (by comparison AB negative- 1 in 180 persons, is common as dirt compared to a few that were 1 in 50,000- or the only known example in the world type) permanently frozen in liquid nitrogen. Regardless how careful you were in the freezing, when you needed to thaw them out- you always got maybe a little, maybe a lot of those red cells that didn't survive the process. Same thing is happening to those few who thought freezing them will let them be thawed out in the future is the ticket. The few brain cells that survive is all that's going to be left- the rest is going to be some exploded mush.   

Exploded mush...... sounds like what a stealer fan has between the ears

@ibleedbrown said:

If l recall correctly from science class true zero has never been achieved, but l thought we got closer than 4 degrees Kelvin? Supposedly that’s the key to cryogenic freezing.

I had to research it for you, absolute zero can't be obtained- but we've gotten mighty close. Like within 0.0001 of a degree Kelvin. Let's just say, for all practical purposes, we've gotten there.  

  If you're talking cryogenic freezing of bodies for thawing them out in the far future- MHO is it's never going to happen, at least with any technology we currently have. A little personal history. I worked in a Blood Bank reference lab. There's big problems freezing organic stuff for permanent storage. If you remember water expands when it freezes, right? And what's a primary constituent of living cells? Yup, water. We had\have an inventory of super duper rare cells (by comparison AB negative- 1 in 180 persons, is common as dirt compared to a few that were 1 in 50,000- or the only known example in the world type) permanently frozen in liquid nitrogen. Regardless how careful you were in the freezing, when you needed to thaw them out- you always got maybe a little, maybe a lot of those red cells that didn't survive the process. Same thing is happening to those few who thought freezing them will let them be thawed out in the future is the ticket. The few brain cells that survive is all that's going to be left- the rest is going to be some exploded mush.   

@tour2ma said:

Interesting... I'm not an IPA guy (had a good APA once) and I really liked the Gator... but then I was chomping on crawdads at the time... fried and etouffeed.

Rankine!

Metric time system think about that!

@hoorta said:

LOL, you're being funny I hope.  Fahrenheit of course.  40 Celsius is over 100 degrees F.  40 Kelvin is just a tad colder than liquid nitrogen....  

Since we're talking really cold stuff, one thing I regret is never having had the opportunity to play with liquid helium.  At around 4 degrees Kelvin, it's only that much above absolute zero, as cold as anything can get in the universe, and it does some pretty wild things. If you poured liquid nitrogen into liquid helium, it would freeze.    

If l recall correctly from science class true zero has never been achieved, but l thought we got closer than 4 degrees Kelvin? Supposedly that’s the key to cryogenic freezing.

@texasag1969 said:

I tried the Gator stuff Tour. Too bitter an aftertaste for me. I liked the cheaper Abita Amber better. I'm giving the rest of the Gator to my IPA loving son in law.

BTW here is how Coors does it. https://www.coors.com/process

Interesting... I'm not an IPA guy (had a good APA once) and I really liked the Gator... but then I was chomping on crawdads at the time... fried and etouffeed.

@ibleedbrown said:

We talking Fahrenheit, Celsius, or Kelvin?

Rankine!

@ibleedbrown said:

We talking Fahrenheit, Celsius, or Kelvin?

LOL, you're being funny I hope.  Fahrenheit of course.  40 Celsius is over 100 degrees F.  40 Kelvin is just a tad colder than liquid nitrogen....  

Since we're talking really cold stuff, one thing I regret is never having had the opportunity to play with liquid helium.  At around 4 degrees Kelvin, it's only that much above absolute zero, as cold as anything can get in the universe, and it does some pretty wild things. If you poured liquid nitrogen into liquid helium, it would freeze.    

@hoorta said:

Regarding "cold brew" Tour- had to look  up the exact number, but I knew from  my home winemaking some yeasts work just fine  at lower temperatures, just way  more slowly. For lagers you can go as low as 40 degrees, though the range is up to 54 degrees. Don't know  about  you, but I'm  thinking if you sat outside when it was 45 degrees in just a tshirt and shorts, you'd think it was pretty cold.

We talking Fahrenheit, Celsius, or Kelvin?

@tour2ma said:

Give that man a beer... Pilsner On Call is correct!

As for your yeast question... lucky for you there's an old ChemE in the house. It's called "temperature control". Circulate the beer/ agitate the tank/ throttle the gas... likely used a combo of all three.

Bigger question is HTF do you "cold brew"???  Yeast need warm to do their job...

Regarding "cold brew" Tour- had to look  up the exact number, but I knew from  my home winemaking some yeasts work just fine  at lower temperatures, just way  more slowly. For lagers you can go as low as 40 degrees, though the range is up to 54 degrees. Don't know  about  you, but I'm  thinking if you sat outside when it was 45 degrees in just a tshirt and shorts, you'd think it was pretty cold.

@tour2ma said:

Give that man a beer... Pilsner On Call is correct!

As for your yeast question... lucky for you there's an old ChemE in the house. It's called "temperature control". Circulate the beer/ agitate the tank/ throttle the gas... likely used a combo of all three.

Bigger question is HTF do you "cold brew"???  Yeast need warm to do their job...

I tried the Gator stuff Tour. Too bitter an aftertaste for me. I liked the cheaper Abita Amber better. I'm giving the rest of the Gator to my IPA loving son in law.

BTW here is how Coors does it. https://www.coors.com/process

@hoorta said:

Gip beat me to it, Pilsner on Call. Can't say I ever drank any of it. An aside to Tour- I wasn't really much impressed with Stroh's even if it was "fire brewed". Knowing what I know now about fermentation- it's beyond me how you could fire brew beer without killing the yeast.   

Give that man a beer... Pilsner On Call is correct!

As for your yeast question... lucky for you there's an old ChemE in the house. It's called "temperature control". Circulate the beer/ agitate the tank/ throttle the gas... likely used a combo of all three.

Bigger question is HTF do you "cold brew"???  Yeast need warm to do their job...

@dutch-oven said:

Out 6-8 weeks

An MRI revealed that Bengals’ WR A.J. Green has torn ligaments in his left ankle that is likely to sideline him six to eight weeks, source tells ESPN. Green is not expected to be ready for the regular-season opener at Seattle.

@the-gipper said:

Any word on the AJ Green injury?   Could he be gonzo all year long?

Out 6-8 weeks

@gumby73 said:

nope, still waiting on mri results that rapaport thinks is a high sprained ankle..Give Ryan Finley a chance? i thought he would be the next qb to go after Haskins. or was he? 

I think Finley was taken in the 4th round....In checking, yes  round 4  #104 overall

These are the QBs taken in the last draft:

@the-gipper said:

Any word on the AJ Green injury?   Could he be gonzo all year long?

Does anyone see it like me?  That Dalton is on a short leash?  

Or, more likely, like I said, they leave him in there, tank the season, and look to get Tua, or Justin Herbert in next year's draft?

nope, still waiting on mri results that rapaport thinks is a high sprained ankle..Give Ryan Finley a chance? i thought he would be the next qb to go after Haskins. or was he? 

Does anyone see it like me?  That Dalton is on a short leash?  

Or, more likely, like I said, they leave him in there, tank the season, and look to get Tua, or Justin Herbert in next year's draft?

@hoorta said:

Overconfident Bungle fans. Not everyone giving the Browns the Lombardi just yet. You have a totally unproven head coach and now AJ is hurt again. Sooo sorry.  There's a reason they have the most fair weather fan base in the NFL. Last time I looked the Bungles were looking up at the lousy Browns at the end of the 2018 season. Welcome to being the ignored team of the NFL- the cure is to start winning, and 6-10 won't buy you any love from the national media.

Buy a clue Bungle fans- nothing is going to change until tightwad Mike Brown is out of the picture. You're acting like geeze, I wish Mike would spend some money to attract better free agents. Face it, you're always going to be second fiddle to the Reds like the Rams were to the Cardinals in St Louis unless in the unlikely event you win a Super Bowl.  I'd be near ready to bet the ranch the Stripers will be under .500 after the first 8 games. road Seahawks, Bills, Steelers, Ravens, Rams.

In another thread I already said that the 3 or 4 teams that we’re going to be in the running for the number one overall draft pick next year included the Bengals the Giants the dolphins the 49ers and the Cardinals. 

@jbluhm86 said:

Back to our fellow Ohioans, the delusions of grandeur keep on coming:

Overconfident Bungle fans. Not everyone giving the Browns the Lombardi just yet. You have a totally unproven head coach and now AJ is hurt again. Sooo sorry.  There's a reason they have the most fair weather fan base in the NFL. Last time I looked the Bungles were looking up at the lousy Browns at the end of the 2018 season. Welcome to being the ignored team of the NFL- the cure is to start winning, and 6-10 won't buy you any love from the national media.

Buy a clue Bungle fans- nothing is going to change until tightwad Mike Brown is out of the picture. You're acting like geeze, I wish Mike would spend some money to attract better free agents. Face it, you're always going to be second fiddle to the Reds like the Rams were to the Cardinals in St Louis unless in the unlikely event you win a Super Bowl.  I'd be near ready to bet the ranch the Stripers will be under .500 after the first 8 games. road Seahawks, Bills, Steelers, Ravens, Rams.

@unsympathetic said:

AJ Green more than a basic ankle sprain today at practice -- carted off

& dere goes your season Hoo Deys. Youze already minus the entire season without your first round LT savior Jonah. Take out extra life insurance Dandy Andy. 

@hoorta said:

I wasn't really much impressed with Stroh's even if it was "fire brewed". Knowing what I know now about fermentation- it's beyond me how you could fire brew beer without killing the yeast.   

And Coors prides itself on the opposite, cold mountain stream water (underground stream at the Boulder brewery) that is used to cold brew their beer and kept cold all the way to you in your local store or on tap in bars. No fires there for sure.?️?

@texasag1969 said:

You ain't lived if you never had riverwalk dirtwater like this shit brewed right there in San Antonio. Thank God Shiner, Texas came along and saved our reputation with Shiner Bock.

Ah yes. Pearl lite. As Tour said- don't let the 'fridge get too cold or it will freeze. The closest thing out of a beer can to a babbling brook I ever drank.    

@texasag1969 said:

Nothing beats the first beer I ever drank. Cerveza Polar in Venezuela was a German Pilsner. Great for downing freshly shucked oysters on the half shell with lime on 'em right on the beach. the cost was about 2 Bolivares which at that time was around 40 cents for a beer and a dozen oysters. "Those were the days my friend, we thought they'd never end."?️??

Polar Beer- the oxymoron. I had several back in '97 in Curacao down there for the total solar eclipse. 

@tour2ma said:

Loved Stoh's... the original brewery's, fire-brewed version anyway. Maybe because I am half Bohemian...

Pearl? Its mention reminded me Pearl Light.... the only beer that ever froze in my refrigerator... lol. That one six-pack was my only purchase.

Carling... my first drunk was on it. Still remember the ads they ran about "fresh beer"... especially the one where they diverted the bottling line right into a bar.

P.O.C. anyone?

Gip beat me to it, Pilsner on Call. Can't say I ever drank any of it. An aside to Tour- I wasn't really much impressed with Stroh's even if it was "fire brewed". Knowing what I know now about fermentation- it's beyond me how you could fire brew beer without killing the yeast.   

@canton-mike said:

When I got back from "Nam (1968), I was stationed in DC. We would go to the Varsity Grille in College Park Maryland where we could drink 16oz Carling Black Labels for $1.00 (yes, a BUCK!) & eat free peanuts in the shell until we were toasted. It was the 1st time I ever saw a 16 oz beer & don't ask how we got back to DC!...Remember the line..

"Hey Mabel! Black Label! Carling Black Label Beer!"

POC? I never heard officially, but....."Pride Of Cleveland",  "Pilsner Of Cleveland", & "Piss Of Cleveland" are what I have heard, depending upon your tastes.  ?

Mike

Actually, technically   Pilsener On Call.

@tour2ma said:

Loved Stoh's... the original brewery's, fire-brewed version anyway. Maybe because I am half Bohemian...

Or maybe it is because you have shit for taste when it comes to beer.

Pearl? Its mention reminded me Pearl Light.... the only beer that ever froze in my refrigerator... lol. That one six-pack was my only purchase.

Carling... my first drunk was on it. Still remember the ads they ran about "fresh beer"... especially the one where they diverted the bottling line right into a bar.

P.O.C. anyone?

Other than nostalgia, it essentially stood for  Piss Of Cleveland.