@orion said:

At least we didn't get too Greedy.  Only moved up a few picks.  

@clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

I can see a trade to 31-45 if there is a player that is highly desired

And of course, traded up to 46 ?

a second round pick?

   So, trade up with the Browns, since they are already interested in Duke...

send em Duke, we get Lee, they trade up to 49, we get their 3rd round pick and whatever else

that Dorsey figures we should get...

I'd go with it. Dorsey and co will know the sleepers, etc to still pick to help the Browns round out cb/s, IDL

PS - the Bengals are wanting Lee, too - so....

@orion said:

I have another rehearsal tonight (trio)........so Good Luck!   Get us some Good Guys Big John!!

Is that an dress rehearsal or an undress rehearsal as a trio tonight???‍‍?‍?

JD 'may' move up today but at least the price won't involve next year's 1st rounder.  I mean, next year,  if you want to move up some in round 1 for a player, it's doable.  Without that 1st rounder, those players are out of reach.

I have another rehearsal tonight (trio)........so Good Luck!   Get us some Good Guys Big John!!

@falcon7 said:

Ok, you win! Mine is Nancy Cartwright (The voice of Bart Simpson)   So what was she ^  really like...  

No clue, she wasn't even born until I was already in Law School.

@the-gipper said:

No,  he went to Barberton,  I went to Norton, right next door.  My HS doesn't really have any famous alum....unless you consider a Playboy Playmate as famous:

Sandra Hubby:

Beat that with that All Boys school you went to.

Ok, you win! Mine is Nancy Cartwright (The voice of Bart Simpson)   So what was she ^  really like...  

@ballpeen said:

Thanks for that.  I hadn't seen a chart laid out with teams attached to the selections.

Of course OUR team has those reversed graphics so that we can't even see it.   (you have to left click and drag  so you can read the writing for our picks)

@ballpeen said:

I clarified a bit later.  At any rate, what is important is what some other team feels Dukes value to them would be worth.  To us he might be viewed as an insurance policy while to another team he might be viewed as a starter, not to mention no matter what rounds value points you or I might assign Duke, being a proven player his value would reflect somewhat higher.  How much higher?   I guess it depends on the team.

"Oh, so that's what you meant? Ok then, carry on"

Aye aye aye

@orion said:

Thanks for that.  I hadn't seen a chart laid out with teams attached to the selections.

@gunz41 said:

What your value for him is really isn't important, neither is mine. The point is, whether it was your intention or not (which it seems like it wasn't), your post read as the Browns 3rd round pick and Duke to move up to 2nd round. You don't seem to see that, but you know what you were trying to convey.

From someone else's POV, it looks like you meant Duke and 3rd to move up. There is no mention or insinuation of anything else.

I clarified a bit later.  At any rate, what is important is what some other team feels Dukes value to them would be worth.  To us he might be viewed as an insurance policy while to another team he might be viewed as a starter, not to mention no matter what rounds value points you or I might assign Duke, being a proven player his value would reflect somewhat higher.  How much higher?   I guess it depends on the team.

@ballpeen said:

 Buzz off kid, and at my age most everybody is a kid so don't take that as a big insult.  I was a teenager in 1964 , just driving a car when we last won a championship.  If you are a contemporary , I'll call you Gramps rather than kid.   I can't help it you don't get it.    In your example, I might, it just  depends on if the sweetener was something I needed.  I think Dukes value is in a package deal.

What your value for him is really isn't important, neither is mine. The point is, whether it was your intention or not (which it seems like it wasn't), your post read as the Browns 3rd round pick and Duke to move up to 2nd round. You don't seem to see that, but you know what you were trying to convey.

From someone else's POV, it looks like you meant Duke and 3rd to move up. There is no mention or insinuation of anything else.

@ballpeen said:

I also wasn't the one who said he was worth a 7th round flip.  I think he has more value than that,

That was me...kinda'.  I was asking what Duke's value was.  And I guess I'm still asking.  What is Duke's trade value?    I don't know of a Trade Value Chart for players.

...answering my own ?  -   Duke's value is intangible as it would be different for different teams.   

@hoorta said:

LOL, but did you go to the same high school as Bo is the question? Just being born in a town, in my case Cleveland- covers a lot of celebrities, sports and otherwise.    Chuck may be our most famous alum, but those who follow golf have heard of Tom Weiskopf. #2 famous alum. Tom drove the green and aced a par 4 when he was on the golf team.   

The currently unemployed Najee Goode (formerly of the Eagles) is another of our guys that made it to the NFL.  

PS, not only did I go to the same HS as Noll, I followed him down the road here to the University of Dayton. BTW, Jon Gruden is also a UD grad. 

No,  he went to Barberton,  I went to Norton, right next door.  My HS doesn't really have any famous alum....unless you consider a Playboy Playmate as famous:

Sandra Hubby:

Beat that with that All Boys school you went to.

@ballpeen said:

No, you don't understand my point.  I said Duke could be the sweetener.  I don't sit around with a draft value chart when I type.  I never though that Duke and  a 3rd rounder would get us in to the 2nd round.  I said Duke could sweeten the deal...I assumed most would understand it would probably take another pick, especially since I said he is a dime a dozen player..

I also wasn't the one who said he was worth a 7th round flip.  I think he has more value than that, especially as the guy to tip the scale in our favor towards a trade.  Read the words man.

Look, I like Duke and wanted to keep him until he started asking for a trade.....and really, I still like him.  To me he like a Theo Reddick....a decent player, but not somebody you can't easily replace.

Well that isn't how it reads. You said "maybe package our 3rd and Duke to get back into Round 2"

And you may not have been the one to say swap 7th, but you said that says it right.

I don't know what your point is about the value chart, but if you were referring to me using those Cardinals picks, you don't need a chart in front of you. I didn't have one. Its simple, would YOU be happy if the Browns traded the 47th pick for a 3rd and 6th or 7th? Duke has no value on a chart, as that value is what someone is willing to give up