@the-gipper said:

I believe that is right....it really was  Shurmur's absolute ignorance of Colt's situation that lead to the concussion protocol.

Well, some of us fans believe Old Shure-loss was clueless many, many other times. It was posited Pat only got the Browns HC gig in the first place because Holmgren was big pals with Pat's uncle Fritz Shurmur.  

And the whole situation got compounded because Holmgren was essentially practicing on the job retirement when he was the Browns GM.  

I think it was Shurmur's turn at the wheel that produced the outpouring of cynicism in the fan base. Then yikes, MHO is Haslam pulled the plug too soon on Chud, and then saddled Pettine with an impossible situation with Johnny Football.  

@canton-mike said:

I see the "rolling eyes" emoji, I made it a little clearer with the pink in case some thought you were serious.

I DESPISE Pat Shurmur. When he was HC here, Colt McCoy went down, obviously concussed. Shurmur not only put him back in the game, he put him on the podium after the game & the kid was almost incoherent. Worse yet is that Holmgren didn't fire Shurmur on the spot. The current concussion protocol was put in place due to that total disregard for a player's health.

Mike

I believe that is right....it really was  Shurmur's absolute ignorance of Colt's situation that lead to the concussion protocol.

@choco said:

Sky is falling, Odell's not at workouts...?

I see the "rolling eyes" emoji, I made it a little clearer with the pink in case some thought you were serious.

@texasag1969 said:

In watching the Giants a few times last year, I became convinced they had a dud for a HC.

I DESPISE Pat Shurmur. When he was HC here, Colt McCoy went down, obviously concussed. Shurmur not only put him back in the game, he put him on the podium after the game & the kid was almost incoherent. Worse yet is that Holmgren didn't fire Shurmur on the spot. The current concussion protocol was put in place due to that total disregard for a player's health.

Mike

Zombo said:

It's fucking April.

Can we trade Grossi to another city for a sportswriter to be named later?

Zombo

Little wonder Baker already despises Grossi.

https://www.barstoolsports.com/barstoolu/browns-reporter-who-baker-mayfield-already-hates-calls-out-obj-for-missing-voluntary-minicamp

Zombo said:

It's fucking April.

Can we trade Grossi to another city for a sportswriter to be named later?

Zombo

Yeah I was sort of able to pull in WKNR on the radio today, and even they were saying Beckham almost never showed up for voluntary mini camp in NY either, Dorsey and Kitchens were well aware of that.  

https://nypost.com/2019/04/24/odell-beckham-explains-to-espn-writer-why-hes-not-at-browns-minicamp/

@texasag1969 said:

This was before the BB was blessed with TxAg69.  LOLOLOLOL!!??

EDIT:  "Bless 'em!"?

Be thankful you weren't here when Pat was coaching the Browns. He was the leader in the clubhouse as the worst coach since '99, until the Huebatross came along. Had a continual "deer in the headlights" look on the sidelines and at press conferences. If you noticed the background chatter here- most of us were shocked he got another HC gig, he was so terrible with Cleveland. Personally I have Pat & Hue as 1A and 1B on the suck-o-meter scale, details tend to fade as time passes.    

@d-bone said:

I am so glad that I don't read, watch or listen to any sports talk shows or sports writers...... Who needs to when darren15 drops a thread or two daily. 

I think the same. Everytime a friend asks me where do I get the info about the NFL, I tell them: 'let me introduce you to my friend darren...'

Zombo said:

It's fucking April.

Can we trade Grossi to another city for a sportswriter to be named later?

Zombo

I am so glad that I don't read, watch or listen to any sports talk shows or sports writers...... Who needs to when darren15 drops a thread or two daily. 

Zombo said:

It's fucking April.

Can we trade Grossi to another city for a sportswriter to be named later?

Zombo

Ikr...yet, some seem to think not being there for workouts has bad optics, is detrimental to the new culture, will divide the lockerroom, etc.

I swear some fans don't realize that players are just people too. 

@choco said:

Small handfull of fans losing their minds, unfortunately

It's fucking April.

Can we trade Grossi to another city for a sportswriter to be named later?

Zombo

@canton-dawg said:

They are voluntary...no big deal.

Small handfull of fans losing their minds, unfortunately

@choco said:

Sky is falling, Odell's not at workouts...?

They are voluntary...no big deal.

@texasag1969 said:

This was before the BB was blessed with TxAg69.  LOLOLOLOL!!??

EDIT:  "Bless 'em!"?

The only good thing to come out of the little Johnny experiment. 

@the-gipper said:

In watching Shurmur coach the Browns for a couple of years....anyone here could have told you that.

This was before the BB was blessed with TxAg69.  LOLOLOLOL!!??

EDIT:  "Bless 'em!"?

@texasag1969 said:

In watching the Giants a few times last year, I became convinced they had a dud for a HC.

In watching Shurmur coach the Browns for a couple of years....anyone here could have told you that.

@hoorta said:

Regarding Beckham's quote about "the coach"- don't forget it's our old pal Pat Shure-loss.  Is a major Giant implosion on the horizon? Stay tuned. It wouldn't shock me in the least if NY winds up with the #1 overall pick in the 2020 draft.  

In watching the Giants a few times last year, I became convinced they had a dud for a HC.

Because it might be interesting to look at in a couple years, methinks.