@clevfan4life said:

well, the reperations thing will likely morph into the universal income.

 it could but I think the Democrats more likely would prefer to focus on minorities oh, even though women aren't really a minority. Universal income it's fine for deadbeat white people to.

But i grant u its a massive political ploy, and most of the left leaning people here have acknowledged it. You cannot make that same argument with abortion...its been made law in multiple states including ohio.

 that's not what we were talking about. It was suggested that zero tolerance even for cases of rape or incest Etc. The best you can say about the Ohio law or any law is that is just the tiniest bit more restrictive. And again I think even the hard love people, or most of them oh, we'll admit they believe that at some point the fetus becomes a human life. I tried to get people to admit that here but nobody would. And again remember I'm not a hardcore pro-lifer.

Where u live steve. Will it survive the courts? who knows...but u cant call it a political ploy now that pretty severe restrictions have been signed into law. 

 I guess we just disagree on the term severe. I think the vast majority of Americans think abortion should be legal but there should be restrictions on late-term. Not very many support 8 months and 29 days and not many support none whatsoever even in rape or incest.

are leftists just trolling for poly points with their capricious attempts at gun control? U know better. 

 in a way I think they are I think it's just one of those political issues you get assigned to when you decide to vote for a particular party. To be honest I don't think many on the left are truly eager to have their so-called common sense gun restrictions (example: a 10 shot semi-automatic rifle with a walnut stock is a rifle but if the stock is aluminum it's an assault weapon) into practice because they, like I, don't honestly believe they will change anything. And then one of two things happens. Everybody is forced to admit that those restrictions didn't make one iota of difference and it is seen as a defeat for the left or the country decides on even more Draconian measures.

WSS but we have to admit this thread is severely drifted off course.

are leftists just trolling for poly points with their capricious attempts at gun control? U know better. 

@clevfan4life said:

So you don't understand what a straw man is, got it. Whether it happens or not "ever", is debateable. I would "maybe" have agreed with you a few months ago but now with all these new state bills coming out that directly forbid abortions after the heartbeat EVEN in cases of rape and health of mother....yeah im not so sure now. But it can't be a "straw man" if that's infact exactly what the right wants....and tells us so daily. Even right here at the poly board. 

Quit being an asshole. The straw man hereis "oh no they're going to make abortion illegal for everybody no matter what the circumstances then what will you do???"  . No dick head they're not. There are a handful of assholes  looking for attention.  Like you do but from the other side. The threat of making a crime of all abortion is the straw man argument. Because it's never going to happen and it's only a tiny sliver of people who wanted or even give a shit.

Here's one let's fight the Democrats or the Socialists or the lefties or whatever the fuck you call yourselves because  you demand reparations for Negroes Indians Hispanics women you name it. And I have no doubt that many of them on the hard left feel just that way but going to war with them over it it's fighting the strawman. Like fighting the straw man.  Write a bill making abortion punishable by Death  or what the hell ever. I don't think most of even you assholes honestly believe that shit. 

WSS

@westside-steve said:

Because it's never going to happen.  Ever. 

WSS

So you don't understand what a straw man is, got it. Whether it happens or not "ever", is debateable. I would "maybe" have agreed with you a few months ago but now with all these new state bills coming out that directly forbid abortions after the heartbeat EVEN in cases of rape and health of mother....yeah im not so sure now. But it can't be a "straw man" if that's infact exactly what the right wants....and tells us so daily. Even right here at the poly board. 

@clevfan4life said:

how is it a straw man when making abortion completely illegal even in rape cases is what the right is pushing for? ?

Because it's never going to happen.  Ever. 

WSS

@westside-steve said:

One more time abortion is never going to be illegal so drop the straw man. 

how is it a straw man when making abortion completely illegal even in rape cases is what the right is pushing for? ?

@clevfan4life said:

but lets make sure abortion is illegal so we have as many people on the planet as possible with nothing to do when the automation revolution hits in full. 

One more time abortion is never going to be illegal so drop the straw man. Plus it's perfectly legal now and not changing anybody's reproductive habits whatsoever. 

WSS

@tiamat63 said:

Illegals aren't filling these jobs nor the bulk of jobs most "normal" Americans are going to lose.      Not that I don't believe the entire border, INS and the like require an overhaul including the asylum and security measures.   

 seems like you are making my own argument. These jobs are going away and like Springsteen said and they aren't coming back. And the illegals are coming in without those jobs to fill. Not only that but wait until they figure out a way to pick grapes with a machine. Well more efficiently actually since they already do.

Point being - you have corporate tax rates slashed, less money for local and state infrastructure then you have to take into account subsidies.   And, as per this example, you have multiple industries working to even further automate their processes = loss of jobs = loss of tax revenue.  

Not ideal all around. 

 automation is the future. We can't stop it. We couldn't stop it with the assembly line or the electric hair dryer or the vacuum cleaner or the washing machine and we won't stop it now.

 not ideal at all. You are correct. But...

WSS

@tiamat63 said:

Point being - you have corporate tax rates slashed, less money for local and state infrastructure then you have to take into account subsidies.   And, as per this example, you have multiple industries working to even further automate their processes = loss of jobs = loss of tax revenue.  

  er... okay... those were corporate tax rates on the FEDERAL LEVEL. Not local and state taxes? The more federal tax you levy on companies, the less money they have for capital growth and accruing resources...

    economics was not one of my favortie subjects.....but I believe the state and local taxes rates would stay the same.

@oldbrownsfan said:

If you think 10 years away is a long time than I guess that puts your mind at ease for the time being  but I think 10 years will come quickly ....

I don't believe 10 years is a long time at all.   2009 was 10 years ago.  Let that sink in. 

@westside-steve said:

Not to mention automatic delivery via drones or programmed vehicles on the horizon. And that's just for your retail stuff.

Even more reason to staunch the flow of illegals flooding the United States. 

WSS

Illegals aren't filling these jobs nor the bulk of jobs most "normal" Americans are going to lose.      Not that I don't believe the entire border, INS and the like require an overhaul including the asylum and security measures.   

Point being - you have corporate tax rates slashed, less money for local and state infrastructure then you have to take into account subsidies.   And, as per this example, you have multiple industries working to even further automate their processes = loss of jobs = loss of tax revenue.  

Not ideal all around. 

@tiamat63 said:

Just going to leave this here... 

https://gizmodo.com/fully-automated-warehouses-are-a-decade-away-amazon-sa-1834459784/amp

If you think 10 years away is a long time than I guess that puts your mind at ease for the time being  but I think 10 years will come quickly ....

@tiamat63 said:

Just going to leave this here... 

https://gizmodo.com/fully-automated-warehouses-are-a-decade-away-amazon-sa-1834459784/amp

Not to mention automatic delivery via drones or programmed vehicles on the horizon. And that's just for your retail stuff.

Even more reason to staunch the flow of illegals flooding the United States. 

WSS

https://gizmodo.com/fully-automated-warehouses-are-a-decade-away-amazon-sa-1834459784/amp

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@clevfan4life said:

fair enough...all presidents do this. Trump will take credit for what happens under the next guy...will u hold him to the same standard ur holding obama to right there?

Obama is a narcissistic a-hole. Trump is the first American president that can  legitimately take credit for the success of the economy under a sitting president,  although good argument can be made for Reagan.

To jog your memory...recall Obama and Biden both were telling us that the 1% growth rate at the time was the "new normal, so get used to it?"

Those two told us that America’s best days were behind us, that the past records of economic growth were unreal, yet Obama has the gall to think he is to be credited for an economy and unemployment rate unseen in our lifetimes?

Obama had zero interest in boosting the US economy, only the global economy. You know it's true.

Obama said manufacturing jobs were never coming back. "Hows Trump gonna do it, wave a magic wand?"

No here's how:

Hopefully the sources meet your approval.

That's really unlikely to happen. Since it's probably Democrats pushing for it, I suspect they'll want to pay more or less depending on your rank in the victim heirarchy. 

WSS

@clevfan4life said:

fair enough...all presidents do this. Trump will take credit for what happens under the next guy...will u hold him to the same standard ur holding obama to right there?

That will kind of depend on the economy if the Democrats take over. And sweep the houses. I doubt he'll take credit for the upcoming recession

WSS

@oldbrownsfan said:

Tell that to Obama so he will stop trying to take credit for the economy under Trump...

fair enough...all presidents do this. Trump will take credit for what happens under the next guy...will u hold him to the same standard ur holding obama to right there?

@clevfan4life said:

and the economy today may be intermediarly boosted by irrstional exhuberance but it takes years if not DECADES of sustained growth to accuratrly judge anybody policies. Short term stimulus of an economy is EASY.....but if it gsrners a rubber bsnd snap bsck in a few years what was it worth?? just makes a very select people a good chunk of money but tge rest of us suffer when the bubble pops.

Tell that to Obama so he will stop trying to take credit for the economy under Trump...