@laiccm said:

When teammates confront you like this...it's not just a molehill. I bet he don't do it again.....

Has your out of town reporter shared which teammates confronted Baker yet?   The out of town storm chasers are in hot pursuit of the first Cleveland Brown besides Duke that is furious with Baker.   You can't have a tornado without wind even if BSPN's Adam Shefter says he heard there's wind somewhere (ie; announcing it's just about a done deal that Andy Reid will be the HC of the Arizona Cardinals right before the Chiefs named him as their new HC).

Hear say leads to people like you swarming social media with false accusations like Baker said something about Duke's money. If you're going to go that route with unofficial, do you know who insults Duke the most about his money as a #2 RB?   All those teams in the league that don't want to trade a player/draft pick just so they can pay a #2 RB the 9th highest RB salary in the league.  That's a decent portion of the market telling Duke & Dorsey that Duke is overpaid.  Since we're using your preference, I don't even have to provide the name of 1 team.  See how easy this is?  That said, a week or 2 ago I heard him correct a reporter in front of a camera and mic saying "they already tried to trade me."  Okay Duke, so why don't you tell us what the bigger problem is?  Never mind, I already took care of that for you. 

The only one putting "I before team" is Duke.  Baker's comment about getting on board with your teammates reflects the same type of leadership earned by a young game-changing/ culture changing QB. The comment invites Duke to get onboard with his teammates or get out of the way. Let's not take this out of context to a player (Duke) angry he needs to be paid more.  It's about a player pissed off Cleveland finally has a FO bringing in more talent and competition at every position they can.  Most non-trolls know Baker was never handed a comfortable niche anywhere he has been; so he's the last guy that will feel sorry for an overpaid player acting out because his comfortable niche is being challenged.  Duke's not responding well at all especially considering he has the first 8 games as a #2 RB to prove he deserves the same work load the final 8 games.  I'm not seeing a guy that believes in himself.   

@tour2ma said:

With Duke the first to utter this...

Bottom line for me in this whole non-event was that I did not see Baker getting anywhere near Duke's "wallet" with his comments. Duke's wallet was already set thru 2021... when he'll be 28. His use in 2019 will have no negative impact on his 2022 contract... when he'll be 29. In fact it's an easier argument to make that saving miles in the short term will help him in the long run.

Another argument that's easier to make? That Duke's lil hissy messed with the wallets of 52 teammates...

Well said!  As to your point in bold above - that's another 52 reasons why we'll never see 1 teammate's name attached to confronting Baker.   

@orion said:

That's because this isn't about money.

Maybe, but that's not what was being said by "players" calling foul.

@laiccm said:

I bet he don't go there anymore.....guys gotta stop enabling this cat like he can't do anything wrong. Someone might sock him...

I hope it's not you who "socks him". That might hurt your wife's career as an agent. ? OOPS! I shouldn't assume, should I?

Mike

@tour2ma said:

I did not see Baker getting anywhere near Duke's "wallet" with his comments.

That's because this isn't about money.  It's about not being wanted. (the Not Expendable Yet comment)  Its about not being able to get any playing time with the signing of Hunt (save the 8 game grace period).

Duke wants to play football....and he doesn't see much of a chance to play here...so it's only natural to want to go somewhere and actually play.

Like I say, now that this is out in the open, Duke, Baker, Dorsey, everyone, has to let the cards fall the way they may as time goes by....until TC...Until pre season...Until the reg season....etc.  Dorsey knows that Duke wants to go.  If the right deal comes along, I'm certain that he won't turn it down just to spite Duke.

@orion said:

"We're done discussing that now.  We're talking football'.

With Duke the first to utter this...

Bottom line for me in this whole non-event was that I did not see Baker getting anywhere near Duke's "wallet" with his comments. Duke's wallet was already set thru 2021... when he'll be 28. His use in 2019 will have no negative impact on his 2022 contract... when he'll be 29. In fact it's an easier argument to make that saving miles in the short term will help him in the long run.

Another argument that's easier to make? That Duke's lil hissy messed with the wallets of 52 teammates...

Zombo said:

Everyone knows Baker's the leader and everyone is all on board ... Except Duke. And Duke was nicely paid by the current Admin for his current role. If he's smart, he'll get out there and shine this year when he has his opportunity

That is the single best thing that Duke can do......now that the football wold knows that he's open to being traded.

Whether it be blocking, catching passes, running with the ball or being a player on the sidelines.....do it like a team should be interested in you.

I'm hoping that it's in the past now.  That when the players return and get questioned they can respond with something like, "We're done discussing that now.  We're talking football'.

@laiccm said:

I bet he don't go there anymore.....guys gotta stop enabling this cat like he can't do anything wrong. Someone might sock him...

I think your take on this is is far from what the players actually think, what the fans think, what the coaching staff thinks ... Everyone knows Baker's the leader and everyone is all on board ... Except Duke. And Duke was nicely paid by the current Admin for his current role. If he's smart, he'll get out there and shine this year when he has his opportunity in the first 8 games, that is the best way to enhance his career, not stewing and letting your agent run their mouth ... Do you think that is what potential suitors want to see?

Baker is going to be a here a long time, Duke is not. Running back careers are generally short ... go out there and try and and win a ring while you can, and be the best you can be, the rest will fall into place.

Zombo

@laiccm said:

When teammates confront you like this...it's not just a molehill. I bet he don't do it again.....

Knowing what I know about Baker (which isn't all that much really), I wouldn't bet heavily on it.  But I understand what you're saying.  Perhaps he'll learn to steer away from sounding like he's spitting venom.  We all like his fire, desire and spirit...but you can't go through life always saying what you think.  

@texasag1969 said:

Mountain out of a molehill. Go back and see what Jarvis Landry said about that and the coaching "problem". Both non-stories the media jumps on to fill up space before preseason starts.

When teammates confront you like this...it's not just a molehill. I bet he don't do it again.....

@laiccm said:

I bet he don't go there anymore.....guys gotta stop enabling this cat like he can't do anything wrong. Someone might sock him...

Mountain out of a molehill. Go back and see what Jarvis Landry said about that and the coaching "problem". Both non-stories the media jumps on to fill up space before preseason starts.

Zombo said:

Blah, blah, blah.

Unless you are going to name names, take it to TMZ.

Non-Story. We're good.

Z

I bet he don't go there anymore.....guys gotta stop enabling this cat like he can't do anything wrong. Someone might sock him...

@laiccm said:

THIS IS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT....You have to be completely ignorant of locker rooms not to have seen this coming and I bet he don't open his mouth again about it.....

Several Browns players apparently weren't too happy with Baker Mayfield earlier this month after he called out running back Duke Johnson. 

According to NFL.com, multiple players confronted Mayfield at some point after his comments were made on June 4 and voiced their displeasure. It seems Mayfield's teammates wanted to see the quarterback support Johnson rather than call him out through of the media.  

Johnson has been demanding a trade since at least April, and although he showed up for mandatory minicamp in early June, he made it clear that he still wants to be traded, which didn't sit well with Mayfield. 

"That's something that we've been dealing with for a while," Mayfield said on June 4, via the Cleveland Plain Dealer. "If we have guys that want to be here, they'll show that, they'll voice that. Obviously he's going to handle his stuff how he wants, but you're either on this train or you're not, it's moving. You can get out of the way or you can join us. So it is what it is."

Johnson presumably wants to be traded because he doesn't think he has much of a future in Cleveland, where he'll eventually be sitting behind Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt. The Browns haven't really shown any interest in trading Johnson though, but that's probably because Hunt is going to be suspended for the first eight games of the season. 

Blah, blah, blah.

Unless you are going to name names, take it to TMZ.

Non-Story. We're good.

Z

Several Browns players apparently weren't too happy with Baker Mayfield earlier this month after he called out running back Duke Johnson. 

According to NFL.com, multiple players confronted Mayfield at some point after his comments were made on June 4 and voiced their displeasure. It seems Mayfield's teammates wanted to see the quarterback support Johnson rather than call him out through of the media.  

Johnson has been demanding a trade since at least April, and although he showed up for mandatory minicamp in early June, he made it clear that he still wants to be traded, which didn't sit well with Mayfield. 

"That's something that we've been dealing with for a while," Mayfield said on June 4, via the Cleveland Plain Dealer. "If we have guys that want to be here, they'll show that, they'll voice that. Obviously he's going to handle his stuff how he wants, but you're either on this train or you're not, it's moving. You can get out of the way or you can join us. So it is what it is."

Johnson presumably wants to be traded because he doesn't think he has much of a future in Cleveland, where he'll eventually be sitting behind Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt. The Browns haven't really shown any interest in trading Johnson though, but that's probably because Hunt is going to be suspended for the first eight games of the season. 

@laiccm said:

As I said.....players' shouldn't talk about other players moves or money.....unless you gonna give him part of your check. It's why Brady, Brees, Rodgers....etc don't do that

Rumor has it, the husband of Duke's agent has been hitting the cyberspace message boards hard lately.  

I wonder how many times Duke tapped that guy's naughty wife while blowing off the voluntary mini camps for Frisky Business... 

@laiccm said:

you didn't have Brady, Rodgers, Brees.....going there and they had ample opportunity.

Why would any of them comment on Duke?

@laiccm said:

As I said.....players' shouldn't talk about other players moves or money.....unless you gonna give him part of your check. It's why Brady, Brees, Rodgers....etc don't do that

We don't care what happens other places.

If you're not Brown and Orange ... you don't matter.

Zombo

@orion said:

I stated my view.  You're the one who kept commenting on it.  I'm not gonna change my view....no matter how many times you reply to it.

Obviously you would fit in quite well on the Polyboard.?

@flugel said:

is this really all you want to dwell on? 

I stated my view.  You're the one who kept commenting on it.  I'm not gonna change my view....no matter how many times you reply to it.

@orion said:

Again, we do not live in the Bill Parcells era anymore.  You can't call Terry Glenn 'she' because you wanted a lineman drafted instead.  Dorsey came right out and told us , I'm not a wordsmith.'  And it was that un-wordsmithed word, 'yet', that raised the Duke situation up a couple of notches.

John Cleese said in an interview a few years back, 'You can't even play a college campus anymore.  Comedy is satire.  It's ridicule.  And now everyone gets their little feelings hurt'.

First, Terry Glenn was the UPI and SI Rookie of the Year in 96 so I'm sure he appreciated the kick in the pants after it was all said and done.  When Parcells became the Head Coach of the Cowboys in 2003, guess who told his agent he wanted to go play there?  Terry Glenn. In fact, both guys closed their careers in Dallas.  Parcells was there 2003-2006 and Glenn was there 2003-2007.  Does that happen without mutual respect earned?

Football is the entertainment industry as they like to say especially when they want to get paid.  Duke got paid and the guy that gave him the raise said he's not trading him yet.  This ant hill doesn't have to be the mountain you want it to be for some reason.  Now that we have a FO guy upgrading talent all over this roster - is this really all you want to dwell on? 

@laiccm said:

I respectfully disagree.....much like responding to entertainment heads that are clearly baiting him, to telling Duke "You are on the team or you're not"......he needs to not go there. 2nd year QB and you didn't have Brady, Rodgers, Brees.....going there and they had ample opportunity.

What football were you watching in those days? I don't even care that you have your opinion on this situation btw. But those certainly aren't good examples to use for your argument about Baker.

Rodgers was the backup QB going into his 2nd year, so he certainly didn't have the clout Baker does now.

Brady was also the backup going into his second season. It wasn't until into the season he became the starter after Bledsoe got hurt.

Brees going into his 2nd season, not as a 1st round pick mind you, he was actually the starter going into that season. But he was replaced as the starter in that season by Doug Flutie. And as mentioned by someone else, the next year SD had the 1st pick and selected Eli Manning, who they then traded for Rivers. 

So while you may have a point (maybe not), its certainly an opinion that you are entitled to, those are not good examples to prove a point.

@mudfly said:

Well, no one is talking about his "money" or moves.....in fact, Duke has a HUGE contract for what he has done to this point.....8th highest RB salary in the entire league.....and even with that, he is causing waves on a team that is all positive vibes right now.

For the umth time, Baker simply said get on the train or get off. Which is perfect!!! This sitting on fence whining is for pussies.

The team leader(Baker) has every right....and responsibility....to maintain and build team chemistry. If a player is openly unhappy and wants out and is not a positive influence on his team and teammates, then the leader can(and should) speak up(if asked).

No one gives 2 craps about Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers or what anyone else does or doesn't do. Each leader leads his own way and there is no one way that is best. Whatever works.

Duke has his contract. Duke has his team. Its his job(and his agents) to shut up and perform or to leave. Of course, he wont leave because the Browns have made him a richer man than he deserves to be.....

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/running-back/veteran/

IMHO you couldn't have said it better John. I, for one, agree with you.

Mike

@laiccm said:

As I said.....players' shouldn't talk about other players moves or money.....unless you gonna give him part of your check. It's why Brady, Brees, Rodgers....etc don't do that

Well, no one is talking about his "money" or moves.....in fact, Duke has a HUGE contract for what he has done to this point.....8th highest RB salary in the entire league.....and even with that, he is causing waves on a team that is all positive vibes right now.

For the umth time, Baker simply said get on the train or get off. Which is perfect!!! This sitting on fence whining is for pussies.

The team leader(Baker) has every right....and responsibility....to maintain and build team chemistry. If a player is openly unhappy and wants out and is not a positive influence on his team and teammates, then the leader can(and should) speak up(if asked).

No one gives 2 craps about Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers or what anyone else does or doesn't do. Each leader leads his own way and there is no one way that is best. Whatever works.

Duke has his contract. Duke has his team. Its his job(and his agents) to shut up and perform or to leave. Of course, he wont leave because the Browns have made him a richer man than he deserves to be.....

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/running-back/veteran/