@chemist said:

It’s not some “theory.” For someone who claims to know so much about everything, you seem to know very little about American history. It’s known as the Second Great Awakening. It was a monumental shift in religious views and participation. 

In the chart you can see a huge jump in religious adherence from 1776 to 1860. That was a result of the second great awakening. Then a decline until about the turn of the 20th century. 

Source:

Roger Finke and Rodney Stark, The Churching of America, 1776-1990 (1992)

Ur right im not an expert in American history, but I know enough to know that graph is highly suspect. The early settlers we "extremely" Christian and were constantly trying to convert natives. 

@clevfan4life said:

my point is ur theory on some great awakening happening in 1800 is a giant cool story. Western Europeans, and the settlers who came here, were far more fundamentalists than they were 200 years later. "Far more". These were people who beleived witches could put a hex on a crop output.....i mean ffs. 

It’s not some “theory.” For someone who claims to know so much about everything, you seem to know very little about American history. It’s known as the Second Great Awakening. It was a monumental shift in religious views and participation. 

In the chart you can see a huge jump in religious adherence from 1776 to 1860. That was a result of the second great awakening. Then a decline until about the turn of the 20th century. 

Source:

Roger Finke and Rodney Stark, The Churching of America, 1776-1990 (1992)

@chemist said:

I really have no idea what point you’re trying to make. The mayflower landed in 1620. The great awakening began some 180 years later. 

my point is ur theory on some great awakening happening in 1800 is a giant cool story. Western Europeans, and the settlers who came here, were far more fundamentalists than they were 200 years later. "Far more". These were people who beleived witches could put a hex on a crop output.....i mean ffs. 

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WSS

@clevfan4life said:

oh so u think they were Atheists that stepped off the mayflower and immediately started telling cool biblical stories to the unwashed natives......dont u?

I really have no idea what point you’re trying to make. The mayflower landed in 1620. The great awakening began some 180 years later. 

The settlers actually did little intentionally to destroy the native tribes. It was European disease that did most of the work. 

Some accounts have much of the eastern seaboard being rather tame when the Europeans arrived. It was a setting much like the parks we see today. The settlers could see smoke for miles before they saw land. If you believe in global warming, the argument has been made that the decimation of the natives caused a mini ice age because the land was allowed to grow wild and take carbon out of the atmosphere. 

@chemist said:

Americans were probably the least spiritual in their history right before the second great awakening which started in the early 1800’s. 

oh so u think they were Atheists that stepped off the mayflower and immediately started telling cool biblical stories to the unwashed natives......dont u?

@tiamat63 said:

Yeaaaaaah. I'm not watching whatever that is.    I, like you, feel this is the best place to live.  Otherwise I wouldnt be here.  However it is just that - a feeling. A pride, if you will.

Its faith.

@chemist said:

Satan puts the doubts and disbelief in your head. Satan doesn’t care that you don’t believe in him, he cares that you don’t believe in the Lord and wants you to abandon the Christian way.

yep.....the stupid just gets dropped off by the dumptruck full. ?

@logicisforsquares said:

OBF would tell you it is right now and we are much worse off for it.

And I am speaking spiritually to someone who doesn't recognize a spiritual realm. Spiritually this country has turned its back on God in a way that is unprecedented in our history. Open up your physical eyes then and look around. Even with the great economy under Trump this whole thing is still a house of cards ready to fall with 21 trillion national debt and 120 trillion in unfunded liabilities. If we had a great depression like we did in the 30's do you think the people today would act like people in the 30's did? No there will be anarchy and rioting. More unstable countries will be acquiring nuclear weapons. We are seeing the results of the collapse of the family and the negative results which will only get worse as children who were never raised right themselves bring children into the world (sorry the answer is not abortion either). I don't believe I will live long enough to see the bad things that are coming but I hate the thought of my children and grand children going through it and the real hope for the nation is a revival and a turning back to God.

@clevfan4life said:

so someone who beleives in a horned red dancing ngr is the same as someone who devoutly expresses his opposition to all things superstitious, huh?

u guys are absolutely the dumbest fucking rubbish ngr wankers ive ever been around in my entire life. I knew y'all were some fresh lil monkeya by about my 2nd week here but now, ive really got no words. The level of daily stupid is just dialed up to max and its stuck there cause the knob broke off.

Satan puts the doubts and disbelief in your head. Satan doesn’t care that you don’t believe in him, he cares that you don’t believe in the Lord and wants you to abandon the Christian way.

u guys are absolutely the dumbest fucking rubbish ngr wankers ive ever been around in my entire life. I knew y'all were some fresh lil monkeya by about my 2nd week here but now, ive really got no words. The level of daily stupid is just dialed up to max and its stuck there cause the knob broke off. 

Theres no coming back from this either. 

@chemist said:

Americans were probably the least spiritual in their history right before the second great awakening which started in the early 1800’s. It took the second great awakening for Americans to realize the travesty of slavery. Emancipation happened soon after the second great awakening was over. You can also link women’s suffrage to the second great awakening.

OBF would tell you it is right now and we are much worse off for it.

@logicisforsquares said:

Were we as humans more religious/spiritual in the 1940s, 50s, and 60s compared to as OBF would refer to these as the “end times”? Yes we were. OBF would have you thinking the times when the Holocaust, Mao’s Purges, and Stalin’s Gulags, the Atlantic slave trade were going we were better off. You guys are making the argument for me. These are the best times we have been in. 

Americans were probably the least spiritual in their history right before the second great awakening which started in the early 1800’s. It took the second great awakening for Americans to realize the travesty of slavery. Emancipation happened soon after the second great awakening was over. You can also link women’s suffrage to the second great awakening.

@logicisforsquares said:

You haven’t heard the true word of Tooth Fairy then. 

Well the cheapskate owes me then...I never got any money under my pillow as a kid when I had a tooth fall out. . 

@oldbrownsfan said:

The prophecies in the bible alone that have come true and defy mathematical odds separate it from mythological creatures.

You haven’t heard the true word of Tooth Fairy then. 

@logicisforsquares said:

I believe the tooth fairy and Sasquatch created the universe because science hasn’t filled in the gap so it must be them.

The prophecies in the bible alone that have come true and defy mathematical odds separate it from mythological creatures.

@oldbrownsfan said:

I'm not slamming atheists here but there is truth that satanists and atheists are in the same camp. The atheist though will feel superior because he believes he is too smart to believe in anything spiritual because spiritual things cannot be measured scientifically and usually science is their god. That is ironic in itself because the whole idea that the universe just created itself is polar opposite to science. 

I believe the tooth fairy and Sasquatch created the universe because science hasn’t filled in the gap so it must be them.

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Satanist/Atheist = same same.

Hail, S....

...cience!

@chemist said:

Complete revisionist garbage. How many people did anti-religion figureheads like Hitler and Stalin kill last century? How about the limitations on freedom imposed on entire populations by atheist socialist dictators? Fidel Castro. Mussolini. Chairman Mao...  

but wait! Somewhere a religious person just said something mean to a fag! Humanity at its worse!

Were we as humans more religious/spiritual in the 1940s, 50s, and 60s compared to as OBF would refer to these as the “end times”? Yes we were. OBF would have you thinking the times when the Holocaust, Mao’s Purges, and Stalin’s Gulags, the Atlantic slave trade were going we were better off. You guys are making the argument for me. These are the best times we have been in. 

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Satanist/Atheist = same same.

I'm not slamming atheists here but there is truth that satanists and atheists are in the same camp. The atheist though will feel superior because he believes he is too smart to believe in anything spiritual because spiritual things cannot be measured scientifically and usually science is their god. That is ironic in itself because the whole idea that the universe just created itself is polar opposite to science. 

@logicisforsquares said:

Hell in human history we have been at our shittiest at our most religious. 

Complete revisionist garbage. How many people did anti-religion figureheads like Hitler and Stalin kill last century? How about the limitations on freedom imposed on entire populations by atheist socialist dictators? Fidel Castro. Mussolini. Chairman Mao...  

but wait! Somewhere a religious person just said something mean to a fag! Humanity at its worse!

@jbluhm86 said:

Satanist/Atheist = same same.

@clevfan4life said:

not so sure about thst. I think on the surface it seems that way because the mechsnisms of control arent nearly as overt as they used to be. But thats for another discussion. I agree that in terms of this fake spirutuality sky god nonsense we're seemingly improving....but new methods of owning us are coming forth, like the obsession with wealth and/or fame. Materialism is the new baby chheessuss

Louis CK’s Time Machine bit is appropriate for this thread and is pretty telling about how now is considered so scary for some.

You also can throw your lot in with Hitchens who is gone and buried  (or cremated I don't know) but I'm sticking with the bible and the God who gives life. I know of a woman who was paralyzed in an accident and now is battling cancer. Life has not been fair to her like it hasn't been to many others yet she still praises and gives thanks to God..why? Because her future looks a whole lot brighter than her circumstances in this life. The cross is the answer  for our hope. You can choose to live life without that hope, not me. You may change your mind someday, the door will always be open to you as long as you have breath and are living in this grace period we are living in now.