@hoorta said:

1) Nice confrontational style Cal, I've notice that in some of your other interactions with folks. No wonder you feel the need to have concealed carry. Yup, you were within in your "rights". It's happened more than once being said at a funeral- he was within his rights- too bad he's DEAD RIGHT. 

2) They probably moved because from their POV- "Man, we have to get away from that gun crazy asshole living next door."   

hardy har. The guy was trouble with other neighbors, too. Went ballistic with the other neighbor because their kids' toy blew into his yard. I was fine with him for a good while, until he was hitting golf balls out into my field one day. I wasn't very happy when I walked up and politely explained to him that golf balls don't degrade, and can damage combine and other equipment.

  Later, in the fall, one day I go out to the barn, and his son and a friend are hitting golf balls out into our field. Yep, THEN I did the confrontational style.

Another time, we got back late from somewhere, and I went to put the tractor away. By the time I started it, drove it into the barn, he stomped out there in his jammies and said he was going to call the police. I smirked at him and told him it was going to rain and we got back late.

   There was more to the story, so thanks for making me tell it. lol

@calfoxwc said:

that's sad. good old democrat run cuyahoga county. I could go shoot and practice all day long and be legal. A couple years ago, an ex-neighbor came over on our farm, walked around the barn, and raised hell with me for shooting within a hundred yards of his yard.

 1)  I told him I was perfectly legal, and I could shoot within a foot of his yard, I told him he needed to learn to mind his down damn business and stay on his own land. He threatened to call the Sheriff, and I grinned and told him I hope he does...

so, after I sighted in my .22 magnum rifle, I was back at home and I called the sheriff's office, and they said I was absolutely correct.

We were not in the city, we were in the township and I can shoot within an inch of his yard, on the edge of our property, onto our property, all day long. So, the next day I was target practicing close to the barn where he could see me, with my CCW pistol.

 2)   They moved about six months later. Good riddance.

1) Nice confrontational style Cal, I've notice that in some of your other interactions with folks. No wonder you feel the need to have concealed carry. Yup, you were within in your "rights". It's happened more than once being said at a funeral- he was within his rights- too bad he's DEAD RIGHT. 

2) They probably moved because from their POV- "Man, we have to get away from that gun crazy asshole living next door."   

@mld-woody said:

If that's true then he's a moron too

He’s a moron.

https://nypost.com/2019/08/05/biden-completely-flubs-where-mass-shootings-occurred/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/confusion-biden-offers-sympathy-for-the-tragic-events-in-houston-today-and-also-in-michigan

@oldbrownsfan said:

Joe Biden expressed sympathy for the shooting victims in Houston and Michigan...

If that's true then he's a moron too

@canton-dawg said:

At least he got the state right...that’s more than we can say for dickhead Biden.

u do know what houston is in right? ill agree normally a .500 avg would ge tits up but in this case it seems like such an easy pitch........vexing, so terribly vexing.

@mld-woody said:

so Trump gave a heartfelt speech to the victims... of Toledo

Fuck could you imagine if Obama did that? We'd have like 6 threads on it by now

At least he got the state right...that’s more than we can say for dickhead Biden.

@mld-woody said:

so Trump gave a heartfelt speech to the victims... of Toledo

Fuck could you imagine if Obama did that? We'd have like 6 threads on it by now

Joe Biden expressed sympathy for the shooting victims in Houston and Michigan...

@mld-woody said:

so Trump gave a heartfelt speech to the victims... of Toledo

Fuck could you imagine if Obama did that? We'd have like 6 threads on it by now

oh geez, complete  cartographical opposite ends of the state....well done don. 

Fuck could you imagine if Obama did that? We'd have like 6 threads on it by now

@calfoxwc said:

er? I know you can't shoot your firearm in the city usually, but in your home should be fine and...

if you have a farm you can't shoot your guns??? That is bogus. I set up my training backdrop out back, along the edge of the woods.

We just went shooting the other day - best friends' daughter came out with her friend from NC - I taught her to shoot a few years ago, and her friend never shot a pistol. So, I gave her my infamous safety speech, responsibility etc, and had her shooting fairly well. My Walther doesn't kick hardly much at all - I can rapid fire two shots and stay on target pretty much. She was anticipating recoil that she expected from having shot her fiance's 12 gauge shotgun. LOL She handled it well, had to straighten her arm, change stance, etc...and she really got it. 

No shooting, period outdoors in Cuyahoga county.   I think the only 'farm' might be in North Royalton.  They do allow bow hunting deer in some cities with a special permit from the Police in certain areas.

@diehardbrownsfan said:

I envy you being able to shoot on your property.  It's illegal in Cuyahoga county.

so is that gloryhole u got downstairs,  but when has that ever stopped you?   

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@diehardbrownsfan said:

No offense, but having a CCW hardly makes you a special forces operator.  A one day firearms safety course will not prepare you for this type situation.

Never implied anything of the sort. But I appreciate learning from an expert. Never going to be an expert, obviously.

Just want to know more than the CCW class. My hay bales smooshed, but I can get a few of the round large bales to set up at my

practice range. Need to practice more. I don't intend on ever having to be in a situation where I have to defend myself and others. But haven't forgotten the attempted mugging in Vegas that night. And there were a few home invasions in our area last year.

It's a good thing the murders in Texas and Ohio weren't committed by an illegal, or the left would ignore them and not pretend to want to solve the problem.

About training - sure, you can't account for whatever dangerous situation you might ever face. But learning the fundamentals is key...and practice.

Situational avoidance is paramount....

@diehardbrownsfan said:

No offense, but having a CCW hardly makes you a special forces operator.  A one day firearms safety course will not prepare you for this type situation.

somebody must have an AA meeting today .   +1 in anycase.

@hoorta said:

If it makes you feel safer, God Bless ya Cal. Had you been in that line at Ned Peppers, and taken a few pot shots at the guy wearing body armor, you'd have been the first person  he targeted. RIP

A gun isn't  going  to  protect you  100% of the time if Jesse James shoots first. I'll  leave it at that. 

Hence the training. It's a matter of training - I know the armor helps...but it also has weaknesses.

My CCW instructor would disagree with you. over 4 years special forces.

Advanced training is good. There would be alternatives to simply firing in self defense at body armor.

http://freedomguide.blogspot.com/2012/01/american-mercenary-defeating-body-armor.html

https://www.activeresponsetraining.net/seven-things-you-dont-know-about-body-armor

@hoorta said:

You know, thinking about it just banning  long guns won't  do much. Having a backpack full of high capacity  clips for a Glock in the wrong  hands nets the same result.

Whether you believe in the devil  or not looks like he's hard at work.

One of the worst mass shootings was exactly that. The Virginia Tech  mass murderer killed 32 with two semi auto handguns a Glock and Walther 22:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_shooting

@calfoxwc said:

Hey, Hoorta, would you like me to post another...thousand of incidents ?

"Earth to Hoorta" LOL

If it makes you feel safer, God Bless ya Cal. Had you been in that line at Ned Peppers, and taken a few pot shots at the guy wearing body armor, you'd have been the first person  he targeted. RIP

A gun isn't  going  to  protect you  100% of the time if Jesse James shoots first. I'll  leave it at that. 

@hoorta said:

You know, thinking about it just banning  long guns won't  do much. Having a backpack full of high capacity  clips for a Glock in the wrong  hands nets the same result.

Whether you believe in the devil  or not looks like he's hard at work.

I think where all of this is heading is an eventual  ban on all semi automatics and I would hate to see us lose this right to own semi automatics we have had for so long and then have it taken away...because we have too many soft targets and the feel good gun control laws will not stop mass shootings we will have a continual cycle of mass shootings and then more calls for more and more gun control. There has to be a better answer.

The simple answer is it is demonic but a huge problem are broken homes and families and children not raised right but I would argue that the breakdown of families is demonic in itself.  Anything to make families stronger vs weaker is a good place to start. Much of the democrats welfare programs have been devastating to families by rewarding single mothers and punishing single mothers getting assistance with removing the assistance if they get married. 

@oldbrownsfan said:

Hoorta..I don't think 50 years ago anyone bent on killing people would have had too much trouble getting all the firepower they wanted except guns and ammo would be cheaper and easier to access than it is now...It is not the guns that are the problem as much as the breakdown of our society. When is enough gun control going to be enough because I am certain once military style rifles are banned we will continue to have mass shootings...then what? Then it will be banning ALL semi automatics. As you noted there is no real difference between a semi automatic hunting rifle and a military style semi automatic rifle except for the magazine.

Remember too we had a ban on some semi automatic rifles under Clinton that had a sunset clause after 10 years. If I remember right the banning of those rifles did not do much then (which is why they allowed the law to expire after 10 years) and it is not going to do that much now...except that law abiding citizens are certain to lose more gun rights going forward.

You know, thinking about it just banning  long guns won't  do much. Having a backpack full of high capacity  clips for a Glock in the wrong  hands nets the same result.

Whether you believe in the devil  or not looks like he's hard at work.

"Earth to Hoorta" LOL

@hoorta said:

People are getting deprived of life because of our Wild West laws that let folks the ability to buy military  style weapons. 

I'll  toss this one out as OBF initially brought it up. Let's turn back the clocks 50 years. High capacity weaponry wasn't  available to the general public. Right? So who's  responsible? Gun manufacturers you say? Are they getting sued big time for the carnage? I think so.

bull. I just posted about how gangs and drug cartels even have anti-aircraft guns and hand grenades, you knucklehead.

those are illegal.

how do you figure these bombers got bombs when bombs are ILLEGAL ?

and "paranoid" ? no more than the sheriff who advised me, when I was threatened in our woods.

but since you mocked CCW, have a nice day:

@logicisforsquares said:

A better question, outside of U of Texas incident, we went many many decades without anything of this sort going on. During that time, there were minimal firearms regulations. Full auto Thompsons were able to be ordered out of farmer's almanacs . The same gear was able to be bought in the 80s as there is today. Why did all of a sudden in the late 90s kids start thinking it o.k. to lash out like this? We have some pretty deep societal and mental health issues in this country that are going unaddressed. HIPAA is structured in a way that it is exceedingly difficult to have better mental health screening during purchases. Something has to give but we shouldn't pretend that it is the firearms or availability that changed over time and not us as people.

It starts with parenting or lack there of. IMO