BR....out all year, maybe for good?.   Brees...out for now.   Eli....benched.   Brady and Rivers survive....so far.  

 And others suffer as well...though these are not the "Old guard" I had in mind: Foles out.  Luck retires.

I expected some young guns to start taking over:

Baker,  Watson, Mahomes,  Trubisky,  Rosen, Wentz, Goff,  Allen,   Darnold...though he is temporarily sidelined.

I did NOT expect the "new Breed"  to include the names:   Brisset,  Luke Falk,  Mason Rudolph......but it may!

Murray and Haskins and Jones can be thrown in there as well.

@jiggins7919 said:

The Falcons win was really nice because they were kind of on a roll at the time. Panthers game was very solid too, as they were desperate for a win, although Cam was banged up. 

Every win was a really nice win for a team that had gone 1-31 the last two years.

@medicineman said:

We kind of beat a couple decent teams, Nobody thought we were going to beat the Falcons or the Panthers and when we beat Cinntucky the first team they had a 2 game lead above us, Remember we won zero games the year before and came out swinging and tied a Pisspuke team and won 7 games, 0 wins to 7 wins is a hell of a good season

The Falcons win was really nice because they were kind of on a roll at the time. Panthers game was very solid too, as they were desperate for a win, although Cam was banged up. 

@texasag1969 said:

A.K.A old fogeys or old foggies in Gip's thread. Just another synonym. ?

Speak for yourself.

@diehardbrownsfan said:

I think that means non squirter?

A.K.A old fogeys or old foggies in Gip's thread. Just another synonym. ?

@texasag1969 said:

Non sequiter is a Cowboys' cheerleader who does not have sequins on her outfit.

I think that means non squirter?

@jiggins7919 said:

I don't THINK most of our fans truly believe we're going to run shit in the AFC North. Do we have a chance? (finally) Sure! But I agree with you, if I'm a betting man, I can't throw down cash on my beloved Brownies until I see them do it. We didn't really beat a good team last year, the Steelers beat us down the 2nd time and we couldn't beat them the first time with 100 turnovers, and most of all, we don't have a kicker. Kicker problems could have cost us a winning record last year, and we have yet to address it. In fact, I'm calling it now. Game 1 will come down to our FG kicker. I'm not saying we're going to lose, but I have a feeling that it's coming down to a kick. Week 1 is almost ALWAYS a shit-fest, and the Titans aren't a joke. 

All that being said, I'm the optimistic a-hole of the board, and I do feel like we'll CONTEND for the division crown. I'm going with a 10-6 record, which I'd be ecstatic with! 

We kind of beat a couple decent teams, Nobody thought we were going to beat the Falcons or the Panthers and when we beat Cinntucky the first team they had a 2 game lead above us, Remember we won zero games the year before and came out swinging and tied a Pisspuke team and won 7 games, 0 wins to 7 wins is a hell of a good season

@jiggins7919 said:

I don't THINK most of our fans truly believe we're going to run shit in the AFC North. Do we have a chance? (finally) Sure! But I agree with you, if I'm a betting man, I can't throw down cash on my beloved Brownies until I see them do it. We didn't really beat a good team last year, the Steelers beat us down the 2nd time and we couldn't beat them the first time with 100 turnovers, and most of all, we don't have a kicker. Kicker problems could have cost us a winning record last year, and we have yet to address it. In fact, I'm calling it now. Game 1 will come down to our FG kicker. I'm not saying we're going to lose, but I have a feeling that it's coming down to a kick. Week 1 is almost ALWAYS a shit-fest, and the Titans aren't a joke. 

All that being said, I'm the optimistic a-hole of the board, and I do feel like we'll CONTEND for the division crown. I'm going with a 10-6 record, which I'd be ecstatic with! 

I feel the opposite. The talent is there, I'm hopeful what's on paper translates to the field. 

Regarding our kickers. If they continue to mess up, our opening day kicker may well not be on the roster yet. 

@medicineman said:

It saddens me that many fans already act as we have won the North when we haven't done shit yet. On paper we look great but we have to win first. Remember the huge hype for the 2008 season? That was a damn joke of a team. But on paper it looked like we made some good moves and then it was a dud. I love we have the hype going in but please the ones that are taking trash......Just wait it out! 

I don't THINK most of our fans truly believe we're going to run shit in the AFC North. Do we have a chance? (finally) Sure! But I agree with you, if I'm a betting man, I can't throw down cash on my beloved Brownies until I see them do it. We didn't really beat a good team last year, the Steelers beat us down the 2nd time and we couldn't beat them the first time with 100 turnovers, and most of all, we don't have a kicker. Kicker problems could have cost us a winning record last year, and we have yet to address it. In fact, I'm calling it now. Game 1 will come down to our FG kicker. I'm not saying we're going to lose, but I have a feeling that it's coming down to a kick. Week 1 is almost ALWAYS a shit-fest, and the Titans aren't a joke. 

All that being said, I'm the optimistic a-hole of the board, and I do feel like we'll CONTEND for the division crown. I'm going with a 10-6 record, which I'd be ecstatic with! 

@texasag1969 said:

Oh I definitely had to oogle it.?

See the post immediately preceding yours.

@medicineman said:

Did not know that, Did you know it or have to google it? 

Oh I definitely had to oogle it.?

@medicineman said:

Did not know that, Did you know it or have to google it? 

Put those sequin/sequiters right on the G spot.

@texasag1969 said:

Non sequiter is a Cowboys' cheerleader who does not have sequins on her outfit.

Did not know that, Did you know it or have to google it? 

@medicineman said:

never heard of him

Non sequiter is a Cowboys' cheerleader who does not have sequins on her outfit.

@medicineman said:

never heard of him

Obviously, you have.

@the-gipper said:

Non sequiter 

never heard of him

@medicineman said:

It saddens me that many fans already act as we have won the North when we haven't done shit yet. On paper we look great but we have to win first. Remember the huge hype for the 2008 season? That was a damn joke of a team. But on paper it looked like we made some good moves and then it was a dud. I love we have the hype going in but please the ones that are taking trash......Just wait it out! 

Non sequiter 

@the-gipper said:

I know that those guys still have some air in their tanks.   But I still say that this year is when these young guns start sucking the air out of those tanks..in terms of the teams overtaking their teams.  So it is not just the old QBs, it is the total team strengths that are also involved. 

Most people think the Browns have overtaken the Steelers and all the other AFCN teams in talent (and most of the AFC).   Except for a silly penalty, the Chiefs should have taken the Pats in the AFC title game.  While maybe they have not caught them, the Jets and Bills have closed the talent gap on the Pats (though the BB/Brady intangible factors will still likely prevail).   And DeShaun Watson is there.  And the one other name that could possibly shine is Mitch Trubisky...though he is in the NFC. The NFC has a couple of young guns as well with Goff/Wentz. 

Part of the reason that this young group may be ready to take over is because for a number of years before the last 3, the QBs that were  drafted highly and who were supposed to be the Big Kahunas  turned out not so much to be that:

The likes of  Winston and Mariota.   Luck with his injuries,  the Blake Bortles/Manziel/Bridgewater year;  and while Cam Newton has to be considered a top dog....that is also the draft that gave the likes of Gabbert/Ponder/Locker. Then there was the Bradford/Tebow/McCoy year. Then besides Luck...that year gave us RGIII and Tannehill. 

There have been some good QBs...but not that have really taken over the league really:  Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford.

So...the takeover by the young guns of the last 3 drafts:   Goff/Wentz year,   Trubisky/Mahomes/Watson year,    Mayfield/Darnold/Allen (Jackson? Rosen?)...and who knows about this years rookies  (Haskins/Jones/Kyler).....was enabled by a lot of failures by QBs that coulda/shoulda been in their prime at this point...but who have fallen short.

It saddens me that many fans already act as we have won the North when we haven't done shit yet. On paper we look great but we have to win first. Remember the huge hype for the 2008 season? That was a damn joke of a team. But on paper it looked like we made some good moves and then it was a dud. I love we have the hype going in but please the ones that are taking trash......Just wait it out! 

@medicineman said:

I never said I disagreed with any of it, You are spot on with the new breeds But as you said Brady is 42 but don't look like he wants to slow down,  Ben just mite be going til he is 42 or whatever as well so that means he mite have a good 3 more seasons in the tank, I agree all the way we have a new class here but the others don't look to be done yet 

I know that those guys still have some air in their tanks.   But I still say that this year is when these young guns start sucking the air out of those tanks..in terms of the teams overtaking their teams.  So it is not just the old QBs, it is the total team strengths that are also involved. 

Most people think the Browns have overtaken the Steelers and all the other AFCN teams in talent (and most of the AFC).   Except for a silly penalty, the Chiefs should have taken the Pats in the AFC title game.  While maybe they have not caught them, the Jets and Bills have closed the talent gap on the Pats (though the BB/Brady intangible factors will still likely prevail).   And DeShaun Watson is there.  And the one other name that could possibly shine is Mitch Trubisky...though he is in the NFC. The NFC has a couple of young guns as well with Goff/Wentz. 

Part of the reason that this young group may be ready to take over is because for a number of years before the last 3, the QBs that were  drafted highly and who were supposed to be the Big Kahunas  turned out not so much to be that:

The likes of  Winston and Mariota.   Luck with his injuries,  the Blake Bortles/Manziel/Bridgewater year;  and while Cam Newton has to be considered a top dog....that is also the draft that gave the likes of Gabbert/Ponder/Locker. Then there was the Bradford/Tebow/McCoy year. Then besides Luck...that year gave us RGIII and Tannehill. 

There have been some good QBs...but not that have really taken over the league really:  Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford.

So...the takeover by the young guns of the last 3 drafts:   Goff/Wentz year,   Trubisky/Mahomes/Watson year,    Mayfield/Darnold/Allen (Jackson? Rosen?)...and who knows about this years rookies  (Haskins/Jones/Kyler).....was enabled by a lot of failures by QBs that coulda/shoulda been in their prime at this point...but who have fallen short.

@medicineman said:

Or maybe I just never liked the headline "Changing of the guard" 

You prefer say "A New Breed"?

@medicineman said:

This post seems lame compared to what you normally have Gipper. You have had some pretty good reads over the years but this one, IDK?

Do you deny the premise?    Teams are generally good because they have good QBs.   The Steelers and the Patriots and the Colts dominated the the AFC the last 20 years about because they had Brady, Peyton, and BR. (with obvious help).  But Peyton is gone, Brady is 42 and BR is 37.    A new breed is about ready to take over. 

Do you not think that  Baker, Mahomes, Darnold, perhaps Allen....and I forgot one guy:  DeShaun Watson.....will not take over? 

All with teams that have not won since the 60s...or who have never won?

Do you think it will be whomever replaces BR/Brady?  

Do you think Luck will dominate the conference?  (He could if healthy)....Or Drew Lock, or Lamar Jackson, or Nick Foles?  

Even if it is Josh Rosen....well, that would still be a changing of the guard, as despite having had Marino for so long, he never won and the Dolphins last title was 1973...or 46 years ago.

Again, tell me what, if anything about the premise you disagree with.