@unsympathetic said:

Under-the-radar Dorsey move this season: Trade kirksey for a second to another team w injuries.. take that in a heartbeat..

thats, actually..........interesting, hmmm?

In an ideal world, all our top backups would be on rookie deals.. Pay to keep irreplaceable stars such as Baker and Garrett, train up the backups to eventually replace during their first money deal, cycle everyone else through..

This is why swinging and missing on Corbett hurts so much.. But you have to risk it to get the biscuit.

@clevfan4life said:

Avery still doesn't appear to be an every down kind of DE/OLB

He's not big enough to play in the trenches and not consistent enough against the pass to be trusted in coverage.. Wilson will be starting by the third game, so we'll have a Highly Paid kirksey as our first LB off the bench.. Sure, Avery may get some decent PT given injuries or blowouts, but his best shot at being even the top backup is the 2020-2021 season, presuming Kirksey is traded away [or cut bc he wouldn't take a lower restructure] after this year to resign other guys.

Under-the-radar Dorsey move this season: Trade kirksey for a second to another team w injuries.. take that in a heartbeat..

Zombo said:

It is actually a good question and a good thread, just fucking with you and your awful headlines.

Z

oh it was u...i figured it was hoorta or fluggy, lol. 

@ibleedbrown said:

Lol...title change

fixed. Thats awful, cringy stuff....who did that? u should be ashamed of urself...?

@clevfan4life said:

Avery is an athletic freak just not sure if tge staff feels he's a better fit than sone of our other depth. He may be a better fit on a 3-4 team...tgats why he may have good trade value

He ain't going nowhere.

@gunz41 said:

This doesn't make sense to me. How would someone you are thinking is one the bubble (or wondering at the least) and saying looks to you that he isn't even 2nd string going to be a valuable trade piece?

Avery is an athletic freak just not sure if tge staff feels he's a better fit than sone of our other depth. He may be a better fit on a 3-4 team...tgats why he may have good trade value

@clevfan4life said:

look i like avery....just saying, mebbe GW would like Avery in NY. I hope they dont cut him if just for the reason he could ge a valuable trade piece to a 34 team

This doesn't make sense to me. How would someone you are thinking is one the bubble (or wondering at the least) and saying looks to you that he isn't even 2nd string going to be a valuable trade piece?

That depth is important.

@clevfan4life said:

i said from the beginning as gifted a runner as Hunt is....Duke felt like the better compliment to chubb imo. Hunt could prove that wrong the last 8 games we shsll see. But yeah, losing duke was tough for me....losing pep was tuff too cause i wanted those guys who put their hearts out there in our colors, to be part of the resurgence. 

Duke better than Hilliard certainly, based on recent evidence.   While maybe he was just being showcased, in my mind, D'Ernest Johnson has shown more that Hilliard.  At least in these preseason games.

@medicineman said:

Makes me sad Duke wanted out, Like most of you I was a Duke fan for sure and could not figure out why we never lined him up as wide out much, Had great hands a nd ran a solid routes

i said from the beginning as gifted a runner as Hunt is....Duke felt like the better compliment to chubb imo. Hunt could prove that wrong the last 8 games we shsll see. But yeah, losing duke was tough for me....losing pep was tuff too cause i wanted those guys who put their hearts out there in our colors, to be part of the resurgence. 

@texasag1969 said:

Well looks like Duke Johnson landed in the right place since it appears Pro Bowler Lamar Miller is believed to have a torn ACL in yesterday's lopsided loss to the Boys.

Makes me sad Duke wanted out, Like most of you I was a Duke fan for sure and could not figure out why we never lined him up as wide out much, Had great hands a nd ran a solid routes

@medicineman said:

As far as the next game, I just hope we play NO starters, NONE. Can't risk any of them getting hurt. Avery would do great against guys who will be in the XFL or worse in a few months. 

Well looks like Duke Johnson landed in the right place since it appears Pro Bowler Lamar Miller is believed to have a torn ACL in yesterday's lopsided loss to the Boys.

@bjh2130 said:

He did get a couple plays with the ones.  I envision that on 3rd and long obvious pass situations him and Vernon will line up on the ends Garrett will slide inside and ogunjobi and Richardson will split time as the other rush dt with ogunjobi getting more run in those situations.  Sort of like what Ohio State would do with Bosa and Hubbard. Just get the 4 best pure pass rushers in on obvious passing downs. Garrett has rushed from the inside on obvious passing before and the guards have an extremely tough time with his burst. 

Or you could see ogunjobi as the only one with his hand in the dirt and Vernon Avery and Garrett all standing up moving before the snap making it hard to identify who to block. 

im not necessarily against such an idea, I was just hoping that Avery would make the step up this year to be basically the best 2nd string option, which appears to be Smith for now. After we got Vernon I assumed Smith and Avery would be the main backups. As it stands, if there's an injury...Avery still doesn't appear to be an every down kind of DE/OLB'er. Im going to be very interested to see if Wilks uses him much as a LB'er...and how. 

@clevfan4life said:

do u some of u really think the staff thinks so highly of him that they didnt bother to give 1st and 2nd team reps? well then shit i got it backwards....i guess its myles and vernonbthe staff felt needed the extra preseason tape to see which one of them is bubble bound....

?

He did get a couple plays with the ones.  I envision that on 3rd and long obvious pass situations him and Vernon will line up on the ends Garrett will slide inside and ogunjobi and Richardson will split time as the other rush dt with ogunjobi getting more run in those situations.  Sort of like what Ohio State would do with Bosa and Hubbard. Just get the 4 best pure pass rushers in on obvious passing downs. Garrett has rushed from the inside on obvious passing before and the guards have an extremely tough time with his burst. 

Or you could see ogunjobi as the only one with his hand in the dirt and Vernon Avery and Garrett all standing up moving before the snap making it hard to identify who to block. 

@gumby73 said:

some tend not to get caught up in the fluff we read during preseason Clev.. Wilks has & will use 3 LB sets.With comfort from DB support. Avery feels ahead of Armstrong & Taylor at rotational LB.and about even with Zettle at DE.Avery has the same quicks we saw last season, but trying out some new techs, from what i can tell on tape..Taylor or Armstrong is who the coaches are deciding on, $imo$. both seeing the playing time to figure it out ..Now that we have some legit 2's that can give rotation help to the 1's & excepted injuries ..sorry, I just don't see Avery on the bubble ..btw Gregg Williams defense is giving the Saints all they want again..13 a piece..won't be a easy road game in NY

look i like avery....just saying, mebbe GW would like Avery in NY. I hope they dont cut him if just for the reason he could ge a valuable trade piece to a 34 team

@clevfan4life said:

do u some of u really think the staff thinks so highly of him that they didnt bother to give 1st and 2nd team reps? 

some tend not to get caught up in the fluff we read during preseason Clev.. Wilks has & will use 3 LB sets.With comfort from DB support. Avery feels ahead of Armstrong & Taylor at rotational LB.and about even with Zettle at DE.Avery has the same quicks we saw last season, but trying out some new techs, from what i can tell on tape..Taylor or Armstrong is who the coaches are deciding on, $imo$. both seeing the playing time to figure it out ..Now that we have some legit 2's that can give rotation help to the 1's & excepted injuries ..sorry, I just don't see Avery on the bubble ..btw Gregg Williams defense is giving the Saints all they want again..13 a piece..won't be a easy road game in NY