@gumby73 said:

did you read that Mayock gifted Chuckie with adding QB D. Kizer to Raiders?  your thoughts? Did they need another QB pinata on hard knocks?

Have to remember that the retired Chuckie kinda had a thing for Kizer back in his QB school...

Plus Kizer looks pretty good compared to Glennon and Peterson. Especially in the "take charge" and "willingness to throw downfield" criteria Jon loves to emphasize.

@mudfly said:

The Browns pulled their offer off the table because Schwartz talked to another team. And Schwartz did in fact come back to the Browns to accept the offer, but was told "too late" by Sashi.......

Possibly the worst free agency day by any team ever.....Browns couldnt retain their players(Mack, Schwartz, Benjiman, Gipson) and signed no one......

One of Sashis many screwed up deals....or non-deals...depending on how you look at it....

Sometimes "take it or leave it" works- in this case, it was one of Sashi's pure arrogance moves not welcoming a talented player to come back and take the offer, and it backfired majorly. The OL would be a damnsite better now with the Schwartz on it...  

@unsympathetic said:

Schwartz took less money from KC to leave town.  Sashi's offer was the most money.

Schwartz leaving to KC isn't on Sashi.

The Browns pulled their offer off the table because Schwartz talked to another team. And Schwartz did in fact come back to the Browns to accept the offer, but was told "too late" by Sashi.......

Possibly the worst free agency day by any team ever.....Browns couldnt retain their players(Mack, Schwartz, Benjiman, Gipson) and signed no one......

One of Sashis many screwed up deals....or non-deals...depending on how you look at it....

@unsympathetic said:

Schwartz took less money from KC to leave town.  Sashi's offer was the most money.

Schwartz leaving to KC isn't on Sashi.

Which is why they now have Steve Spagnuolo... Try saying that name, 10x's real fast... LOL!!

Schwartz leaving to KC isn't on Sashi.

@gumby73 said:

It's a good attorney case till Pats filed tampering papers.. https://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap000001033621/article/patriots-accuse-texans-of-tampering-over-nick-caserio  (<< pats bugged not to open) google Nick Caserio Texans...he should be there next season if O'Brien has anything to do with it?..Nick had a year left as player personal duties with Pats..that Bill puts his nose into every year..   

Pretty sure it was because they were engaging with him while Pat's were still playing, which is tampering.

@gumby73 said:

It's a good attorney case till Pats filed tampering papers.. https://nfl.com/news/story/0ap000001033621/article/patroits-accuse-texans-of-tampering-over-nick-caserio google Nick Caserio Texans...he should be there next season if O'Brien has anything to do with it?..Nick had a year left as player personal duties with Pats..that Bill puts his nose into ever year..   

Well.....certainly BB is a guy who would be petty enough to block a guys upward employment mobility.

@the-gipper said:

I thought they could not block it if it were an upward, and not a lateral move.  I assume GM of the DATs would have been considered upward for him...no?

It's a good attorney case till Pats filed tampering papers.. https://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap000001033621/article/patriots-accuse-texans-of-tampering-over-nick-caserio  (<< pats bugged not to open) google Nick Caserio Texans...he should be there next season if O'Brien has anything to do with it?..Nick had a year left as player personal duties with Pats..that Bill puts his nose into every year..   

@gumby73 said:

The Texans all but had Patriots top executive in FO Nick Caserio hired as next GM in Houston this season..Nick wanted to leave too, with 1 year left on contract to take GM job.Pats denied Nick to move on.Is Craft or Belicheck wanting to see ex-Bill O'Brien fired? It really seemed like a prick'ish move again coming out of Chowder-ville.. Josh McDaniels proved that..

I thought they could not block it if it were an upward, and not a lateral move.  I assume GM of the DATs would have been considered upward for him...no?

@tiamat63 said:

And this is why you don't have your coach with GM responsibilities.  

Should Houston let Bill go, they're fucked themselves for the immediate future with draft capital and potentially getting the most out of their young QB with young talent around him.

I think we tried that with Butch Davis- and it turned out poorly, we didn't even have a qb of note. 

Should Houston let Bill go, they're fucked themselves for the immediate future with draft capital and potentially getting the most out of their young QB with young talent around him.

@gumby73 said:

did you read that Mayock gifted Chuckie with adding QB D. Kizer to Raiders?

  your thoughts? Did they need another QB pinata on hard knocks?

What is Mayock thinking is my opinion. They need "The Quarterback whisperer" Hue to fix him. Um, no. I saw some clips of Deshone this preseason on NFLN- and he's still inaccurate as hell. They need to build a bigger barn for Kizer so he has a chance of hitting it. 

@hoorta said:

 is for a sure fire  franchise  QB.  

did you read that Mayock gifted Chuckie with adding QB D. Kizer to Raiders?    your thoughts? Did they need another QB pinata on hard knocks?

@tour2ma said:

In the Babsence of a GM looks like O'Brien is having an undue influence on the Texans' FO... and he's in panic mode.

Their "window" has been open a around 3 years now and O'Brien has done nothing with it. This felt like a "do or die" season for him and the odds were heavier weighted towards die until Luck retired. Not much better now, but at least there's a glimmer...

And if Bill-O goes down then why should he care if the franchise is all the worse for his desperation?

We've seen usually the  only  way  giving up  multiple first round picks works is for a sure fire  franchise  QB. Not a  LT. Losing  Clowney is going to  hurt  Watts effectiveness.  

Even with  all their  moves, I don't think  anyone  has the  Texans  as a serious  Super  Bowl  contender. 

@the-gipper said:

I still think Jacksonville wins that division.  (even thought so before Luck went out). Texas challenges...but JAX wins.  

They had all but a decent QB and now they have one. I agree they will be far better now.

@tour2ma said:

In the Babsence of a GM looks like O'Brien is having an undue influence on the Texans' FO... and he's in panic mode.

Their "window" has been open a around 3 years now and O'Brien has done nothing with it. This felt like a "do or die" season for him and the odds were heavier weighted towards die until Luck retired. Not much better now, but at least there's a glimmer...

And if Bill-O goes down then why should he care if the franchise is all the worse for his desperation?

I still think Jacksonville wins that division.  (even thought so before Luck went out). Texas challenges...but JAX wins.  

Their "window" has been open a around 3 years now and O'Brien has done nothing with it. This felt like a "do or die" season for him and the odds were heavier weighted towards die until Luck retired. Not much better now, but at least there's a glimmer...

And if Bill-O goes down then why should he care if the franchise is all the worse for his desperation?

@medicineman said:

I really thought Mingo was going to be a pro bowler and give or D a face but I was way wrong, Every player we ever drafted up until Myles seems like a waste looking back, Other than that I can only name a couple that panned out well, Joe Thomas and the Center we took in like 2009 I forget his name ha ha but really, Not a single weapon in how many years?

Mitchell Schwartz actually was OK. We've lost a few decent guys to other teams because of the continual sucking. I don't doubt that the was the reason Phil Dawson left town. 

@gunz41 said:

Alex Mack

And Joe Haden, that's about it pre Myles....  

@medicineman said:

I really thought Mingo was going to be a pro bowler and give or D a face but I was way wrong, Every player we ever drafted up until Myles seems like a waste looking back, Other than that I can only name a couple that panned out well, Joe Thomas and the Center we took in like 2009 I forget his name ha ha but really, Not a single weapon in how many years?

Alex Mack

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Texas is an open carry state, isn't it?

Yes it is. But only a fool would do so out in public. Why identify the first target?

@hoorta said:

I initially thought only giving up a 3rd for Clowney was- say what? But really he's a one year rent-a-player on his franchise tag. and the Texans get our former under performing first round bum Barky Mingo.  

I really thought Mingo was going to be a pro bowler and give or D a face but I was way wrong, Every player we ever drafted up until Myles seems like a waste looking back, Other than that I can only name a couple that panned out well, Joe Thomas and the Center we took in like 2009 I forget his name ha ha but really, Not a single weapon in how many years?

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Texas is an open carry state, isn't it?

Guns....or beer?

@texasag1969 said:

Nope but like Johnny Cash's Bill, when this Bill goes there I do take my guns to town. ?

Funny thing is I am actually licensed to wear my western Ruger .357 mag single action revolver in a holster on my hip in plain view.

What do you think for a badge on the holster? LOL! ?

Yeeha!?

Texas is an open carry state, isn't it?