@browns52 said:

sorry man but it is true, it has been a clusterfuck...if you can't see that then you are blind...alright maybe i wouln't have voted not to bring them back because i just love feeling totally depressed just about every monday....dang i would miss that....

I see all that......that is not the point.. Fuck you if you are saying that you would not have wanted a team here. 

Nothing is forcing you to be a fan, to post here, to even watch football.    You can terminate all those things if you wish.

@browns52 said:

sorry man but it is true, it has been a clusterfuck...if you can't see that then you are blind...alright maybe i wouln't have voted not to bring them back because i just love feeling totally depressed just about every monday....dang i would miss that....

The Browns actually made it to the playoffs in their fourth season back, not too shabby at all.

It has been - with the exception of one random season a dozen years ago - a complete dumpster fire since.  

@the-gipper said:

FRAK OFF!!

sorry man but it is true, it has been a clusterfuck...if you can't see that then you are blind...alright maybe i wouln't have voted not to bring them back because i just love feeling totally depressed just about every monday....dang i would miss that....

@jiggins7919 said:

Buffalo is the EXACT team we don't play well against. Tough, physical defense that will kill our OL. 

On the flip side, Buffalo plays a dangerous game of winning ugly. They can be beaten, but I'd never actually bet on us. 

couldn't agree more....plus buffalo is right on the heels of the pats and they play them again....they played them tough the first time....they have alot to play for and yes, they can beat the browns with their defense alone...

@browns52 said:

if i had a crystal ball back in 99 to see what has happened between then and now, i would have voted to not bring this franchise back.....what a total cluster fuck it has been....

FRAK OFF!!

@browns52 said:

i already have that same feeling this week against buffalo and the game has not even started yet.....

Buffalo is the EXACT team we don't play well against. Tough, physical defense that will kill our OL. 

On the flip side, Buffalo plays a dangerous game of winning ugly. They can be beaten, but I'd never actually bet on us. 

@hunter33109 said:

The Browns have given up.  The defense, especially the back field, think this game is more like two hand touch.  I've never seen so may safeties and corners pull up on a tackle only to realize the receiver did not go down but continue for another 10 to 15 yards.  Why should the care?  These guys are already looking forward to next year and hopefully free agency and get a pass to get the hell out of Cleveland.  I wish I could point the finger at something, the coach, the qb, the defense or the offensive line but this is beyond that.  There will be no more "wait till next year" or "all we need is a ...".  It's time to realize that this team is cursed and there will no next year and the Browns are destine to be a sad side note in the NFL.  Art Modell  realized that and left Cleveland and produced a Super Bowl winner a few years later in Baltimore.  Haslam needs to realize that and relocate the team to another state, a sort of a hard reset.  Let the Browns die with two parts that tell their story, one part that entertained and won here and there and were champions and the second part that they were the laughing stock of the NFL.  St Louis is looking for a NFL team for their brand new stadium.  All Haslam has to do is wait till the contract he has with the city expires around 2023, then pack the buses and moving vans and head south-west.  Let the Browns die and let all their fans off the hook so we can move on to other teams, like the Steelers or Bengles or Buffalo...or I dare say the Ravens!!

Browns will lose out the season.  Yes even they will get beat by Miami.  0-2 against the Steelers, 0-2 against the Bengles, 1-1 against the Ravens, with loses to Buffalo, Miami and Phoenix .  It's about time for the Browns to take their rightful place in the basement of the AFC North.   

if i had a crystal ball back in 99 to see what has happened between then and now, i would have voted to not bring this franchise back.....what a total cluster fuck it has been....

@jiggins7919 said:

This. ALL of this. 

I never would've guessed our season would be over the first week of November. 

Dammit to heck man, now we gotta hear ALL about how our coach will be fired, our QB isn't good, OBJ is angry, and whatever else. It never ends. It literally never ends. 

And maybe it's because of how the season is going, but at no point during that game after the 1st quarter did I think we were going to win. It just felt like we, once again, had no "magic". We have nothing, ya know? No big strikes, no razzle-dazzle, no......just....ugh...never mind. It doesn't matter any more. 

i already have that same feeling this week against buffalo and the game has not even started yet.....

@jiggins7919 said:

We did everything fine except for score in the red zone. No turnovers, limited penalties, and won time of possession. But if you kick FG's instead of getting touchdowns, you will lose unless you have a rare defense. We most certainly don't have THAT. Ya know, I'm about sick of hearing about our defensive line. Those assholes haven't done SHIT. You know what's really funny? Myles Garrett echoed the very same sentiment that I said about him. The same message that a member here ripped me for, and that's his failure to make any meaningful plays during the game. Where are our stars? They certainly don't shine on Sunday, I know that much. 

garrett needs some help.....god i' would like to see us get that kid from osu....this kid will be another bosa....and you are right, the dl has not done shit...we were 29th against the run before yesterdays game...not sure what denver ended up with but it seemed alot...so we probably dropped yet anohter notch...

@hunter33109 said:

Why are we analyzing the game like it matters. 

That's what you do when you care too much.

All this talent, yet it seems that we don't use it properly. 

Damarious Randall gets injured so our defense just falls apart... offense has weapons, yet isn't using them to score points. It's maddening. 

@hunter33109 said:

Why are we analyzing the game like it matters.  The entire team is disconnected with each other.  So what the defense can't tackle and the offensive line can't protect.  We all think they can just make a few adjustments and they can win.  These are the Brown's we will find new and innovative ways to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.  Even if the defense steps up and stops Buffalo's running and passing game, the offense will sputter and cough because the the light reflecting off their receiver's shoes will blind them.  Thus allowing Buffalo to win 10 to 7.  For Pittsburgh the offense shows up and scores 37 points but then the defense doesn't and plays two-hand touch football allowing for 48 points.  The entire team shows up for Miami but with close to 680 yards of penalties Miami wins 27-14.  There is no smoking gun and there is no one point of failure.  This team is not a team but a collection of talent wearing the same outfits.  I'm a Brown's fan, there's always next year.       

ha ha ha i love it....so true....and so sad..

@clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

The 3rd and 3 was overthought. If it was an RPO, which it apparently was, why have the weaker of the 2 RBs in the game?
They were in 4th down territory on 3rd and short. It makes little sense to me.

Who cares if our rookie kicker is FLAWLESS and that we’re losing by only 5 points, right? Freddy needs some meditation practice or something to clear his mind..

Chubb, OBJ, Landry in that order on the 3rd down play.

you don’t throw or give the ball to Harris Callaway or Hilliard.

this weeks fireable offense and probably number 18 on the year. 

@tiamat63 said:

A concern I have is the lack of design using Bakers mobility in our favor sans him just scrambling.  No boots, waggles,  half field reads, sprint outs with designed rubs for cheap and easy chain moving yardage.  Witnessed a few last night the Ravens used to great success.

This needs to be a run first team now, and moving into the off-season re: draft attention to the Oline and play calling.  The best teams in the NFL right now are almost all run first teams. Check the numbers - San Fran, Seattle, Minnesota, Baltimore, New England...   Running teams that attack their air game with play action and high YPA. 

Right now this team lacks identity, leadership and, in some cases - ability.

Side note: does it look like Baker has been drinking to anyone else? 

Looks like about a case a night.

@jrb12711 said:

Anyway fellas, I'll be off line a good bit the next few weeks and big time for next several months. I'm 6 weeks away from first time dad status and it's time to get everything ready. I'm actually glad I have a good reason not to watch this clown car for a little bit! 

Now you have someone to worry about for the rest of your life. Everything changes!! Enjoy the change!!??

https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/3-big-takeaways-from-the-browns-24-19-loss-to-the-broncos

@calfoxwc said:

yep. I said "Give it to CHUBB ! UP the mid..." and my Wife pointed out that Chubb wasn't in.

dammit. I don't know.

Overthinking it. Kitchens said they kept Hilliard in to keep the defense off balance.
That defeats the purpose of the Run/Pass option, which essentially serves as a play action.

Another problem is.. Hilliard isn’t Duke Johnson.

@clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

The 3rd and 3 was overthought. If it was an RPO, which it apparently was, why have the weaker of the 2 RBs in the game?
They were in 4th down territory on 3rd and short. It makes little sense to me.

Who cares if our rookie kicker is FLAWLESS and that we’re losing by only 5 points, right? Freddy needs some meditation practice or something to clear his mind..

yep. I said "Give it to CHUBB ! UP the mid..." and my Wife pointed out that Chubb wasn't in.

dammit. I don't know.

@oldbrownsfan said:

I didn't like the QB sneak call. I would have given it to Chub. Hindsight 20/20 taking the field goal was probably the best option but after settling for field goals so often I was glad to see them go for it but I would have put the ball in Chubb's hands.

The 3rd and 3 was overthought. If it was an RPO, which it apparently was, why have the weaker of the 2 RBs in the game?
They were in 4th down territory on 3rd and short. It makes little sense to me.

Who cares if our rookie kicker is FLAWLESS and that we’re losing by only 5 points, right? Freddy needs some meditation practice or something to clear his mind..

@d-bone said:

CONGRATS!! My daughter (my avatar thingie) is now 24 and is at Grad school 8,000 miles away in Melbourne Australia.... enjoy every single second of it because it goes by faster than you can imagine and then a different phase begins.

You are about to feel for another human like you never thought possible, and one of the greatest unintentional side effects is that things like the Browns being losers year in and year out doesn't bother you like it used to..... priorities are instantly rearranged once you see that little face for the first time. 

Very happy for you! 

been to melbourne a few yrs back.....ran the sydney marathon.....both places are really great......

@jrb12711 said:

Anyway fellas, I'll be off line a good bit the next few weeks and big time for next several months. I'm 6 weeks away from first time dad status and it's time to get everything ready. I'm actually glad I have a good reason not to watch this clown car for a little bit! 

CONGRATS!! My daughter (my avatar thingie) is now 24 and is at Grad school 8,000 miles away in Melbourne Australia.... enjoy every single second of it because it goes by faster than you can imagine and then a different phase begins.

You are about to feel for another human like you never thought possible, and one of the greatest unintentional side effects is that things like the Browns being losers year in and year out doesn't bother you like it used to..... priorities are instantly rearranged once you see that little face for the first time. 

Very happy for you! 

@jiggins7919 said:

I just don't understand why we can't make any big plays. SCORING plays! We heard all off season about this vaunted defensive line and they definitely don't impact the game like we hoped. I'm beyond frustrated that another season is lost and we'll once again be looking for a coach (more than likely). I would love nothing more than to get hot and keep our staff, but it doesn't look good. Something is just fundamentally WRONG with our team and it totally feels like the Hue Jackson years where we invented new ways to lose. How did we not win that game? AHHHHHH. 

?

i think freddy will be around until the end of the yr and then he gets fired....i don't think we beat buffalo....christ, we will probably lose twice to the steelers...we might beat miami except now they have a qb in there that can beat us the way we are playing....probably split with cinci....definetly lose to the ravens.....not a real good future ahead of us this yr......then what, if we do fire freddy, who do we hire...and whoever we hire might want his own type of players which may not include what we have now....this is not what i expected this yr at all....i knew we were not going to the sb like some of these idiots were proclaiming but i thought somehow we'd build on last seasons second half....didn't happen...