@hoorta said:

We've  known  from the  get-go Dorsey  is willing to take  chances  on guys  with  character  issues.  Callaway was a 4th round pick.  At least  this time we weren't willing to  give the guy a  couple  dozen  chances like  we did with  Gordon.

Fly right  or you're going to  fly right  out of here. 

Good point H, Gordon got in on a 2nd draft..Maybe Dorsey gave Callaway till strike 3, cause he traded up 9 slots with Patriots? Dorsey gave up a 4th & 6th to Bill to move up 9 picks..Bill ended up trading the 4th to Lions..Da'Shawn Hand a backup DE to Lions.(think we might need a back-up DE?).Bill took ILB Christian Sam with the 6th..Sam is now playing on another teams PS.. 

 Edit---Yes Gip, now that, That is off my chest, am moving on ... ? Good Luck in XFL/CFL Cab! ?

@the-gipper said:

Are we still talking about this?  

Let's move on: 

How  about  Ratley, Taylor and Hodge?  What do they bring to the table?  As good as Cab gave us? Hodge had like a 41 yard grab....that we thought might have been even longer.  It was the biggest catch of the game.   

Hodge has completely surprised me!  He also looks pretty decent at blocking and he would've likely had a TD last game but Haden did his patented "grab and twist" and we got the ball at the 1.  

Let's move on: 

How  about  Ratley, Taylor and Hodge?  What do they bring to the table?  As good as Cab gave us? Hodge had like a 41 yard grab....that we thought might have been even longer.  It was the biggest catch of the game.   

@icecube said:

If it was just weed, I'd agree with you. But he was involved in some credit card scam, where he was stealing from people. Then add in all the other stuff. Dorsey just loves signing bad character guys. 

We've  known  from the  get-go Dorsey  is willing to take  chances  on guys  with  character  issues.  Callaway was a 4th round pick.  At least  this time we weren't willing to  give the guy a  couple  dozen  chances like  we did with  Gordon.

Fly right  or you're going to  fly right  out of here. 

@ibleedbrown said:

I knew about the credit card fraud. I dunno. I guess it’s just a word that l see as uglier than his acts warrant to this point. That old saying, “one man’s trash is another man’s dumbass.”

I honestly don't care very much, whether we deem him trash or an immature dummy. Plus, he was late for a game recently. Real genius there. He "overslept." This is "professional" sports, if you don't act like a professional, then be gone. At some point, how a person acts trumps his talent level.  

@icecube said:

If it was just weed, I'd agree with you. But he was involved in some credit card scam, where he was stealing from people. Then add in all the other stuff. Dorsey just loves signing bad character guys. 

I knew about the credit card fraud. I dunno. I guess it’s just a word that l see as uglier than his acts warrant to this point. That old saying, “one man’s trash is another man’s dumbass.”

@ibleedbrown said:

Maybe it’s just me, but calling someone trash is reserved for the true dregs of society. Like the Harvey Weinsteins of the world. 

Callaway’s just a guy who is very far from having his shit together. Like he’s still trying to locate his shit so that he can reverse Jenga his life. 

That doesn’t make him evil though, just a dumbass and a bad investment.

If it was just weed, I'd agree with you. But he was involved in some credit card scam, where he was stealing from people. Then add in all the other stuff. Dorsey just loves signing bad character guys. 

@ibleedbrown said:

Maybe it’s just me, but calling someone trash is reserved for the true dregs of society. Like the Harvey Weinsteins of the world. 

Callaway’s just a guy who is very far from having his shit together. Like he’s still trying to locate his shit so that he can reverse Jenga his life. 

That doesn’t make him evil though, just a dumbass and a bad investment.

Well....again,  if it is just that he tested for dope....that will not be an issue at all in a couple of years because they won't even be testing for that anymore.

@icecube said:

Callaway is another UF piece of trash. He will be in jail or on the streets in no time. 

Maybe it’s just me, but calling someone trash is reserved for the true dregs of society. Like the Harvey Weinsteins of the world. 

Callaway’s just a guy who is very far from having his shit together. Like he’s still trying to locate his shit so that he can reverse Jenga his life. 

That doesn’t make him evil though, just a dumbass and a bad investment.

He’s only on a 1 year deal. I expect a big last 6 games for Hollywood.

@the-gipper said:

UF?  Florida?   Are you lumping him in with like Aaron Hernandez?

No, he didn't murder anyone as far as I know, but there have been a plethora of UF players who had talent but were just too thugish to succeed. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/07/sports/ncaafootball/hernandez-among-many-arrested-at-florida-in-the-meyer-years.html

@icecube said:

Callaway is another UF piece of trash. He will be in jail or on the streets in no time. 

UF?  Florida?   Are you lumping him in with like Aaron Hernandez?

Bring on Higgins. He is far more valuable to the Browns' offense than Callaway was.

Mike

@warriorsrpussies said:

dentist must think everyone is some meth head from Akron because he under prescribed me Norco

Side note.. FYI.. 

Likely not the dentist's fault.. Penalty for overprescribing a controlled substance is more than the labor cost/hassle of having you come back and get a second short prescription..

@atom said:

and every GM in the league make mistakes in the draft 

so i am like oh well fuck him I like Higgins better

This one isn’t much of mistake, as it’s only a 4th rounder. The 2nd rounder on Corbett turned into a 5th rounder is more of a mistake. But like you say it happens.

Dorsey is scoring big on other picks like Mack Wilson. Hopefully Chad Thomas and Redwine don’t end up being busts..both Miami guys too.

@dutch-oven said:

John Dorsey is well known for drafting players with character issues going back to Kansas City. This isn't a new development. 

and every GM in the league make mistakes in the draft 

so i am like oh well fuck him I like Higgins better

@icecube said:

Is anyone else starting to think Dorsey doesn't consider enough about character when drafting/signing players? Don't you think too many bad character types ruin the team? What is the total # of current and cut players who has done drugs or beat women? 

John Dorsey is well known for drafting players with character issues going back to Kansas City. This isn't a new development. 

@stillmotion said:

damn, no good!

guess we're back to higgins

thank god

@icecube said:

I don't agree. Thugs hurt the heart of a team. You need high character players, to some degree. A bad apple will ruin the bunch. You can get away with 1 or 2 bad character guys if you have legit leaders to keep them in line, but if you don't have the legit leaders, it's a recipe for disaster. This team loses games due from lack of accountability, focus and the like. Good teams don't have those problem. Do you think Marty Schottenheimer would allow these things?

Meh. I remember the Browns with teams full of no talent choir boys that couldn’t beat a D3 college team. 

Billy B brings in thugs all the time and gets them to play.  Just have to have a short leash. The Browns couldn’t have a short leash before, But they actually have talent at most positions now, so cutting a talented dumbass like Josh Gordon doesn’t destroy your offense or defensive.