@tiamat63 said:

You actually listed players at completely different positions then Troy

Not only that there are multiple players who aren't eligible for the hall of fame as they haven't been out of the league long enough or are still playing in the freaking league

@tiamat63 said:

 I'm not about to drop my IQ to room temperature just to hang out with you mouth breathers at that level.  

I'm saving that sentence in my "phrases worth incorporating into my English" file. 

@unsympathetic said:

Thinking out loud, wouldn't our long term need be more of a two OLB at about 235', no ILB type of thing?  Due to the prevalence of 5-wides using rub routes over the middle to get open, wouldn't the "thumper" position be more of a one-down specialist, and LB's sought for coverage?  So our ideal player type would be the as-yet-theoretical Consistent Mack Wilson? 

This doesn't mean we wouldn't draft guys who play college ILB, just that they need OLB speed/quickness as well.

Conveniently, many of 2020's top LB are exactly this type.  More than 2 of these should still be available for both of our 3rd round picks: Murray, Moses, Lewis, Grenard, Okwara, Jennings, Brooks

Good out loud stuff...

When I talk about a thumper I emphasize that trait because it's what I see us missing... but in reality I want the whole MLB package. Since those guys don't grow on trees tho, I'd sacrifice a little Pass D capability for the rest of the package of which speed and agility are key parts.

For me this is still a league where the first order of a D's business is stopping the run....and Ds are built front 2 back and inside out. That puts MLB right at the crossroads.

Who that is and did they play inside or outside in college? Dunno... early for me and TBH I focus more on the other side of the ball, but by the time The Combine rolls around I'll be more conversant.

This doesn't mean we wouldn't draft guys who play college ILB, just that they need OLB speed/quickness as well.

Conveniently, many of 2020's top LB are exactly this type.  More than 2 of these should still be available for both of our 3rd round picks: Murray, Moses, Lewis, Grenard, Okwara, Jennings, Brooks

@tour2ma said:

MLB bears as much responsibility as any Defender for stopping the run and more than most.

Our D ranks 27th vs. the run.

I like Joe, but he's not an impact MLB.... 4-3's need a thumper in the middle.

His ability to flow, his sure tackling and his coverage ability are better suited to 4-3 OLB... IMO... but even there, not at any price.

What does a 4-2-5 require?  Since that is what we are running and since whatever it requires we do not seem to be able to provide.

Our D ranks 27th vs. the run.

I like Joe, but he's not an impact MLB.... 4-3's need a thumper in the middle.

His ability to flow, his sure tackling and his coverage ability are better suited to 4-3 OLB... IMO... but even there, not at any price.

I’d like us to maintain any positive momentum we have going into next year, and l think Schobert is part of that.

@tour2ma said:

Cutting Kirk before 6-1-20 carries a $3.6mm dead money, price tag (saving 16.8).

His play does not warrant that price, but he has been the leader of our D and I've seen no one step into the void he left.

Best ability is availability, which ain't Kirk.

 Schob is a bit more low-key, I give you that. But going off what the rest of the defense has said when asked, Joe has stepped up as the 'leader' on the field.  At least, by our players admission.

@tiamat63 said:

I remember partaking in the conversation quite a while back...   Schob moving back to more of a WILL role with Mack in the middle makes a great deal of sense to me.   Of course this would mostly be predicated on a new DC (Please, Christ) and a personnel/scheme review.   

Kirksey is gone.   What cash you save by cutting him can go towards Schob.  I just hate carrying dead money.

Cutting Kirk before 6-1-20 carries a $3.6mm dead money, price tag (saving 16.8).

His play does not warrant that price, but he has been the leader of our D and I've seen no one step into the void he left.

@mddawg said:

Simple, Dorsey didn't draft him. He hates Sashi's players and prefers his "real" football players like Jermaine Whitehead. If Schobert walks they're going to create a hole in the LB corp, Wilson is nowhere close to the production of Schobert and TakiTaki is a special teams caliber player for the foreseeable future. So far Dorsey looks incapable of building a team but is fixated on bringing in his guys, creating a hole somewhere then uses picks and cap space to fix it. Good teams keep their talent, Schobert was a 4/5th round pick that's been developed into a probowler and we're going to let another team benefit from that?

Agree with everything you said.

Kirksey is gone.   What cash you save by cutting him can go towards Schob.  I just hate carrying dead money.

@londonbrown said:

Not been hiding I got bored of you replying to everything I said with the same nonsense about Sashi Brown. Glad to see you grew out of that. 

Prepared to get bored out of your mind. 

@dutch-oven said:

Your love affair with him is worth admiring from afar. 

Now you can scurry under the rock you've been hiding under all season. 

Not been hiding I got bored of you replying to everything I said with the same nonsense about Sashi Brown. Glad to see you grew out of that. 

Same as in the other two I'll make the point that signing Joe is a matter of price.

@dutch-oven said:

Mack Wilson has NOT played well this season, consistently earning poor grades vs the run AND pass. 

Genius cal posted a link of Wilson's "great" PFF rating off of the preseason Redskins game, because cal is a dipshit. 

To be fair, Wilson has been playing out of position at OLB.

And Joe was a 3-4 OLB in college and his rookie year with us. As a rookie he wasn't particularly good, but was playing maybe 15# heavier. When Williams moved him inside to be his 4-3 MLB he asked him to lose weight. I honestly think he'd flourish outside in a 4-3 at his current weight.

Mack inside? Dunno... he'd definitely thump more when he diagnosed the play, but that percentage would have to increase considerably and his liability in coverage is considerable.

@dutch-oven said:

I was wondering when you'd pull yourself away from your Sashi Brown shrine and come here to gloat. 

It's a really good shrine...I've seen it. It's almost as nice as mine.... but drives on the wrong side of the road.

@londonbrown said:

I was wondering when you’d quote me mentioning Sashi. You’re as boring as our offense this year. 

Your love affair with him is worth admiring from afar. 

Now you can scurry under the rock you've been hiding under all season. 

@the-gipper said:

You actually listed players at completely different positions then Troy and then bothered to compare about production and stats?!?!

You. Fucking. Dumb. Shit.

I take that back, you have high functioning autism because there is no other explanation for why anybody would attempt to even do that.       This is like me saying "CLAY MATTHEWS SHOULDN"T GET INTO THE HOF BECAUSE JJ WATT WAS BETTER".   Well herpy fucking derp there, Sheriff Woody.   You can't even do an honest apples to apples comparison.   Aren't you a mod or something associated with this site as well?  Jesus H, as if this board needs more embarrassment.     Because if Gorka gave you something to "think about" then I'm not about to drop my IQ to room temperature just to hang out with you mouth breathers at that level.  

And there's always the "It won't change my mind".      Point blank, you said it.     So either you just have a whiny bitch like need for attention or you like talking out what you post in your own mind.  Either way, you're reasoning skills hint that you're fucked in the head.  

I'll take my highway exit here, champ.     The void of the ignore list awaits.

@dutch-oven said:

I was wondering when you'd pull yourself away from your Sashi Brown shrine and come here to gloat. 

I was wondering when you’d quote me mentioning Sashi. You’re as boring as our offense this year. 

@londonbrown said:

Obviously people will disagree with me but the position this FO was put in and this is what we have to show for it. It’s ugly. A waste. 
 

A huge opportunity squandered. 

I was wondering when you'd pull yourself away from your Sashi Brown shrine and come here to gloat. 

A huge opportunity squandered. 

@flugel said:

Let me get this straight because philosophically speaking it sounds outrageous!  A team that desperately needs to improve its chemistry and continuity wants to remove it's heart and soul to create another opening? If there's a gotta keep guy on this defense ANYWHERE - it's Schobert.  If our FO doesn't  understand this - DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YOU IN THE ASSSS ON THE WAY OUT!    More specifically, I overrated the crap out of Dorsey-Doe!

Tom.. I gotta believe there's something cooking to keep Sho in CLE ,behind the scenes.. The kid is having a monster year for himself thus far.. They (The Browns FO) can't be this ignorant.. Or can they... Dorsey has been good... But I would agree he whiffed on a couple of guys... He's not been infallible..... I really hope they go all out to retain this young man...

@jiggins7919 said:

Please keep in mind that this is also from MKC, and I have about as much respect for her as I do a tabloid reporter. However, if Joe Schobert says he doesn't have an offer, and then also said there's been no contact on over a month, I'm officially worried. I'm not sure everyone totally realizes how bad our linebacker situation is, and please don't tell me anything about Mack Wilson. That kid is trying to learn but he's not good. Repeat after me, Mack Wilson is not good. If we lose Schobert, we'll likely need an entirely new LB corp next year. Taki and Wilson can be role players, but I honestly don't believe they're starting material. Lord knows I want to be wrong about them, but I don't think I am. 

Sign Schobert now please. 

Let me get this straight because philosophically speaking it sounds outrageous!  A team that desperately needs to improve its chemistry and continuity wants to remove it's heart and soul to create another opening? If there's a gotta keep guy on this defense ANYWHERE - it's Schobert.  If our FO doesn't  understand this - DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YOU IN THE ASSSS ON THE WAY OUT!    More specifically, I overrated the crap out of Dorsey-Doe!