@browns52 said:

now i know.....you are haslem....dang...i knew it.....

H-A-S-L-A-M.

Apparently you didn't know it. 

@dutch-oven said:

Nobody cares how you see anything. 

now i know.....you are haslem....dang...i knew it.....

@jiggins7919 said:

And then we fell apart.

Yes, we did. We need to work on that part...

@dutch-oven said:

It's like you just throw random words against a wall to try to form a thought. 

lol... thanks.... I was searching for a response and every candidate that fit one piece was wrong for the rest.

@flyingfooldoug said:

The players and local media. Too bad the head guy was pretty clueless at game planning and adjusting.  If you think the HC is great....  fine. But I remember you singing praises to good ole fart modell   Kinda strange. Check your numbers

It's like you just throw random words against a wall to try to form a thought. 

@browns52 said:

we have a clueless coach.....end of story...and the rest of the staff....well call it a staff infection because they stinko also......just another wonderful season...

It really is a coaches league. Just ask Billy

@tour2ma said:

Disagree... there was a reason. We stuffed their run game early, contained Jackson and then we scored.

And then we fell apart. We pulled to within 9 points then the Ravens scored on an 8 play drive...all runs. Whatever happened in the first half was obviously a fluke. Ravens had more rushing first downs than we had TOTAL first downs. They're basically the team we wish we were, just like the Steelers for so many years. 

The biggest problem I have isn't even WITH the defense. I don't know too many teams that'd do well missing two starting DEs, 3 safeties, a starting LB, and seemingly ALWAYS on the wrong end of time of possession battle. Does that excuse how bad they are? I don't think so. The Cardinals made us their bitch, like basically every team lately. Heck, we SHOULD have lost to the Bengals. 

No, my problem is with the offense. My problem is how inefficient our quarterback is from a CLEAN POCKET. Remember how early on so many Browns fans bemoaned our terrible OL? Well, don't look now, but our OL has played pretty damn well for several games and guess what? It hasn't really made a damn difference. Sure, we've had success running the ball, but that hasn't made a difference, has it? You can't run it on 3rd and 6 very often. You can't run it from the 10 on 3rd and goal. You HAVE to be able to consistently pass the ball without depending on screens, swing passes, and other quick gimmick crap. 

And that's just it. We can't pass the ball for shit. Look at how many passing TDs Baker has, what is it, 19? Basically half of Lamar Jackson. And now we can't blame the poor OL because we have the leading rusher AND good pass blocking! We've been virtually 100% healthy on offense, minus Njoku, and the excuses have run dry. It's either our coach can't design an offense, or our QB simply isn't good enough...or a combination of the two. Baker leads the league in batted down passes, which is a dandy stat. Kitchens all too often looks like he has no clue about so many things, and now we go into an off-season not knowing about our coach or the QB. The two most important parts of a team. 

Stay strong Browns fans. It's going to get worse before it gets better, but it's nothing we haven't seen before. Oh, and Merry Christmas to all you mutts! ???

@flyingfooldoug said:

The players and local media. Too bad the head guy was pretty clueless at game planning and adjusting.  If you think the HC is great....  fine. But I remember you singing praises to good ole fart modell   Kinda strange. Check your numbers

we have a clueless coach.....end of story...and the rest of the staff....well call it a staff infection because they stinko also......just another wonderful season...

@tour2ma said:

Who got those players ready?

The players and local media. Too bad the head guy was pretty clueless at game planning and adjusting.  If you think the HC is great....  fine. But I remember you singing praises to good ole fart modell   Kinda strange. Check your numbers

@bjh2130 said:

The hypocrisy week to week of fans has always cracked me up.  I guess it is short for fanatic. Last week according to many even though everyone knows Freddie and wilks wanted to make a statement and beat their former employer they failed to get the players ready to perform.  This week the players apparently got themselves ready but the coaches were not ready. Both weeks are on the coaches according to fans.

These coaches are masters at finding different ways to lose. 

@tour2ma said:

Who got those players ready?

The hypocrisy week to week of fans has always cracked me up.  I guess it is short for fanatic. Last week according to many even though everyone knows Freddie and wilks wanted to make a statement and beat their former employer they failed to get the players ready to perform.  This week the players apparently got themselves ready but the coaches were not ready. Both weeks are on the coaches according to fans.

@flyingfooldoug said:

The players were ready for this game. Unfortunately the coaching staff was not. 

Who got those players ready?

@jiggins7919 said:

They got a little pass happy for no reason in the first half

Disagree... there was a reason. We stuffed their run game early, contained Jackson and then we scored.

@nickers said:

Don't feel bad.. The last time we were any good I was in my early 20's

I was 10! ?

@jiggins7919 said:

Listen man, you can have your opinion and I'll have mine. I don't go telling people to jump off cliffs or go crying to moderators. But what I will do is express my beliefs of an underperforming franchise that continues to set new standards of futility. I wasn't disrespectful, I didn't personally attack anyone, and I didn't say a damn thing that wasn't true. You don't have to turn in your fan card just because you're not content with management, coaching, or personnel. 

I'm not ok with a team that simply can't score points. That has next to no big play ability. That pens a letter to the fans saying "we've arrived", then promptly gets boat-raced by a mediocre Titans team to lose yet ANOTHER season opener. No, I'm not happy with that. I'm not happy to continuously watch a team that has the heart of a field mouse and the maturity of a bunch of teenagers. 

There are many people who feel the exact way I do, and who can blame them? We aren't good, and we aren't even fun to watch. Jesus, every game is just a depressing slog to the finish. Would I take now compared to 0-16? Of course I would, but that's a pretty low freaking bar to crawl over. I think the worst part is how we don't even have a direction. We're getting a new coach soon (news flash), we aren't sure we have a franchise QB, and we don't really have a brand right now. Perhaps we do have a direction, and right now that direction is heading straight down. Can it change? Sure, but it's going to get worse before it gets better, count on it. 

So if you want to personally attack me, that's fine. It doesn't bother me. But this team is not good, and the scary part is that they can't figure out how to score points with a mostly healthy offense ALL year. What excuse is there?

Fans SHOULD be upset. This product is not anywhere near good enough and when you add in extra negatives like Myles Garrett and dramas with other players, you just get tired of it. 

Don't feel bad.. The last time we were any good I was in my early 20's

@nickers said:

You should turn in your fan badge and jump off a cliff... You seriously can't handle your own fandom...

Listen man, you can have your opinion and I'll have mine. I don't go telling people to jump off cliffs or go crying to moderators. But what I will do is express my beliefs of an underperforming franchise that continues to set new standards of futility. I wasn't disrespectful, I didn't personally attack anyone, and I didn't say a damn thing that wasn't true. You don't have to turn in your fan card just because you're not content with management, coaching, or personnel. 

I'm not ok with a team that simply can't score points. That has next to no big play ability. That pens a letter to the fans saying "we've arrived", then promptly gets boat-raced by a mediocre Titans team to lose yet ANOTHER season opener. No, I'm not happy with that. I'm not happy to continuously watch a team that has the heart of a field mouse and the maturity of a bunch of teenagers. 

There are many people who feel the exact way I do, and who can blame them? We aren't good, and we aren't even fun to watch. Jesus, every game is just a depressing slog to the finish. Would I take now compared to 0-16? Of course I would, but that's a pretty low freaking bar to crawl over. I think the worst part is how we don't even have a direction. We're getting a new coach soon (news flash), we aren't sure we have a franchise QB, and we don't really have a brand right now. Perhaps we do have a direction, and right now that direction is heading straight down. Can it change? Sure, but it's going to get worse before it gets better, count on it. 

So if you want to personally attack me, that's fine. It doesn't bother me. But this team is not good, and the scary part is that they can't figure out how to score points with a mostly healthy offense ALL year. What excuse is there?

Fans SHOULD be upset. This product is not anywhere near good enough and when you add in extra negatives like Myles Garrett and dramas with other players, you just get tired of it. 

@jiggins7919 said:

I guess, but the biggest reason we lose so many games isn't always our shitty defense...it's our shitty OFFENSE. We basically have zero big play ability. We literally get NOTHING down the field, and basically haven't all effing year. 

What's worse? Our quarterback is a complete ass clown, and not a very smart one at that. Remember that play Hilliard got hurt? Baker had another receiver running a deeper parallel route that would have easily been enough for the first down. Did Baker make that easy throw? Noooooooooooooooo....he sets someone up to get injured, which is quickly becoming his only specialty. 

Let's not kid ourselves, Baltimore should have been up by a lot more this game. They got a little pass happy for no reason in the first half, but wouldn't you know they fixed that shit at half time. They came out in the 2nd half and marched that shit right down our throats. The truly embarrassing thing is Lamar comes out and not only runs circles around Baker, but makes every throw Baker only WISHES he could make. You know, big 3rd down passes that prevent those pesky punts? 

I'm glad people were booing at half time. I hope Haslam was paying attention because it's not only the players and coaches to blame, John Dorsey holds MORE than his fair share. I'm starting to think that guy couldn't find a set a tits on the internet, and here we are entrusting him to draft another year AND select another coach? Screw that. 

Our team has no magic. Been that way all year. And it really hurts because we all know that the reset button is glowing red on Haslam's desk and he's about to mash it. I just wish he'd pan Dorsey too because that guy pulled one of the greatest con jobs on earth to get his job. I'm sorry to be so negative, but I am so irritated by our failure this season. 

You should turn in your fan badge and jump off a cliff... You seriously can't handle your own fandom...

@the-gipper said:

If anything those last two minutes of the half should have been the death knell  for Freddie.

Yep, with the Ratbirds out of time outs there's no excuse in giving up 2 TD's in less than 90 seconds.

@jiggins7919 said:

I mostly agree with this, but we HAD it until 2:09 remaining in the first half.  Even if we just ran the clock out, which would've been UBER cautious, we could've gone into half with a 6-0 lead against the hottest team in the league.  That would've been extremely safe, but even if we punted the one time, gave up the quick score, we STILL should've gone into half down 7-6 because the Ravens got the ball after halftime!  Ugh!  It just seems like so many of Freddie's decisions simply don't work.  Going for the 2 point conversion, some people are against that decision...but it hit our guy in the damn hands!  Man, it's just a season of nothing working out, and it's hard to believe.

If anything those last two minutes of the half should have been the death knell  for Freddie.

@flyingfooldoug said:

In a nutshell, The players were ready for this game. Unfortunately the coaching staff was not. 

I mostly agree with this, but we HAD it until 2:09 remaining in the first half.  Even if we just ran the clock out, which would've been UBER cautious, we could've gone into half with a 6-0 lead against the hottest team in the league.  That would've been extremely safe, but even if we punted the one time, gave up the quick score, we STILL should've gone into half down 7-6 because the Ravens got the ball after halftime!  Ugh!  It just seems like so many of Freddie's decisions simply don't work.  Going for the 2 point conversion, some people are against that decision...but it hit our guy in the damn hands!  Man, it's just a season of nothing working out, and it's hard to believe.

@tour2ma said:

Random thoughts...

We lost today to a better team... period.

And yet early it was us that controlled the game... took a lead... forced two turnovers (one on downs) and a punt. It was the first meeting's recipe unfolding again... then it wasn't.

Our D did not quit in the 2nd half, they were gassed. For almost a half of football our Practice Squad DL was a match for their All-Pro laden Offense... then it wasn't.

First meeting was a role reversal. It was the Ravens that were missing key folks. Today they were all back... and then some... while it was us missing key people.

I guess, but the biggest reason we lose so many games isn't always our shitty defense...it's our shitty OFFENSE. We basically have zero big play ability. We literally get NOTHING down the field, and basically haven't all effing year. 

What's worse? Our quarterback is a complete ass clown, and not a very smart one at that. Remember that play Hilliard got hurt? Baker had another receiver running a deeper parallel route that would have easily been enough for the first down. Did Baker make that easy throw? Noooooooooooooooo....he sets someone up to get injured, which is quickly becoming his only specialty. 

Let's not kid ourselves, Baltimore should have been up by a lot more this game. They got a little pass happy for no reason in the first half, but wouldn't you know they fixed that shit at half time. They came out in the 2nd half and marched that shit right down our throats. The truly embarrassing thing is Lamar comes out and not only runs circles around Baker, but makes every throw Baker only WISHES he could make. You know, big 3rd down passes that prevent those pesky punts? 

I'm glad people were booing at half time. I hope Haslam was paying attention because it's not only the players and coaches to blame, John Dorsey holds MORE than his fair share. I'm starting to think that guy couldn't find a set a tits on the internet, and here we are entrusting him to draft another year AND select another coach? Screw that. 

Our team has no magic. Been that way all year. And it really hurts because we all know that the reset button is glowing red on Haslam's desk and he's about to mash it. I just wish he'd pan Dorsey too because that guy pulled one of the greatest con jobs on earth to get his job. I'm sorry to be so negative, but I am so irritated by our failure this season.