@orion said:

Don't!  He's a Patriots fan.  And now he also supports the Buc's.

Good thing he added Bucs as a team he supports, because Pats are doomed this season. 

@icecube said:

Fair enough. Thank you for the history, seriously. Could this be the year you experience something other than another year of "factory of sadness?"

They have prove it, if there is indeed a season. No more fools gold.

@warriorsrpussies said:

I moved here the year while in early elementary school before the team was stolen. I didn't really get into football till a few year after STR . If I had to pinpoint a time probably the 07' team finally got me hooked so no I'm no really familiar with Dante Hall aside from a few Youtube videos. All I've ever known is the factory of sadness besides that one year. My younger brothers they don't even watch football because the Browns have sucked dick for soooo long and are huge Cavs fans. Two generations of fans lost. I'm an anomaly I can't stress that enough

Fair enough. Thank you for the history, seriously. Could this be the year you experience something other than another year of "factory of sadness?"

@icecube said:

And you don't know who the human joystick was? 

I moved here the year while in early elementary school before the team was stolen. I didn't really get into football till a few year after STR . If I had to pinpoint a time probably the 07' team finally got me hooked so no I'm no really familiar with Dante Hall aside from a few Youtube videos. All I've ever known is the factory of sadness besides that one year. My younger brothers they don't even watch football because the Browns have sucked dick for soooo long and are huge Cavs fans. Two generations of fans lost. I'm an anomaly I can't stress that enough

@icecube said:

And you don't know who the human joystick was? 

Dildo Davis?

@warriorsrpussies said:

With that said Devin Hester and Cribbs are the best return guys I've ever seen. Fuck these pussy ass rules

And you don't know who the human joystick was? 

@warriorsrpussies said:

Man I feel bad for your kid!

Don't!  He's a Patriots fan.  And now he also supports the Buc's.

@orion said:

...with almost any of the coaches that we've had this century.  We've seen a ton.  Bubble screen on 1st and goal from the 1 in OT against the Steelers.  (we lose the game)

A 63 yard FG att with Devin Hester returning it...TWICE, because there was an 'ice the kicker' time out just before the first woefully short attempt. (honestly, THAT one really got to me.  I mean, here we see the first attempted FG and Hester catches it in the middle of the end zone.  I was like, WHEW, lucky the coach got to see that, now we can punt.  BUT NO, Pettine lets him do it again and Hester ALMOST returned it for a TD.  - remember, all of our guys are 'blocking' at the LOS when the ball is kicked.  The returner catches it with LOTS of space.)

And who can forget Pat Shurmur, after a big play, lining the guys up quickly and calling a running play with no RB on the field.  The TE Alex Smith jumped into the RB position and promptly fumbled the hand-off because, get this, He never took a hand-off before (he said after the game - and it SURE looked it).

And last, but not least, with my son & I in the stands, the dumb-ass On Side kick defense.  It was the Josh Gordon game against the Patriots.  Josh kicked their ass.  The Patriots came down the field with the game almost over and scored a TD.  They had to get the onside kick or it was all over.  I'm watching the Patriots special team stroll onto the field, they're taking their time, lining up....and I'm like, Not for nuthin' but where's OUR guys?  I immediately notice that we've got two little huddles going on each side of the field...It's a Trick Onside line-up by the DEFENSE.  ?!?  I said out loud, "WHAT?  He's gonna kick it right up the middle and get it himself."  And sure enough, he kicked it right up the middle and the Patriots recovered and beat us.  - Woody Allen couldn't write this stuff.

Yup. We've seen some of the dumbest of dumb-ass play calls by our 'brain-trust' this century.  Let's now see how the Polack does it.

Man I feel bad for your kid! I have two younger brothers that don't watch any football and I solely blame that on Browns. Factory of sadness 20 plus years and running.

@dutch-oven said:

Anyone remember Mo Carthon calling the FB option pass, I believe with Lawrence Vickers attempting to pass? That was classic new-school Browns there. 

I do.  I also remember him calling a play-action hail Mary.

@orion said:

...with almost any of the coaches that we've had this century.  We've seen a ton.  Bubble screen on 1st and goal from the 1 in OT against the Steelers.  (we lose the game)

A 63 yard FG att with Devin Hester returning it...TWICE, because there was an 'ice the kicker' time out just before the first woefully short attempt. (honestly, THAT one really got to me.  I mean, here we see the first attempted FG and Hester catches it in the middle of the end zone.  I was like, WHEW, lucky the coach got to see that, now we can punt.  BUT NO, Pettine lets him do it again and Hester ALMOST returned it for a TD.  - remember, all of our guys are 'blocking' at the LOS when the ball is kicked.  The returner catches it with LOTS of space.)

And who can forget Pat Shurmur, after a big play, lining the guys up quickly and calling a running play with no RB on the field.  The TE Alex Smith jumped into the RB position and promptly fumbled the hand-off because, get this, He never took a hand-off before (he said after the game - and it SURE looked it).

And last, but not least, with my son & I in the stands, the dumb-ass On Side kick defense.  It was the Josh Gordon game against the Patriots.  Josh kicked their ass.  The Patriots came down the field with the game almost over and scored a TD.  They had to get the onside kick or it was all over.  I'm watching the Patriots special team stroll onto the field, they're taking their time, lining up....and I'm like, Not for nuthin' but where's OUR guys?  I immediately notice that we've got two little huddles going on each side of the field...It's a Trick Onside line-up by the DEFENSE.  ?!?  I said out loud, "WHAT?  He's gonna kick it right up the middle and get it himself."  And sure enough, he kicked it right up the middle and the Patriots recovered and beat us.  - Woody Allen couldn't write this stuff.

Yup. We've seen some of the dumbest of dumb-ass play calls by our 'brain-trust' this century.  Let's now see how the Polack does it.

Anyone remember Mo Carthon calling the FB option pass, I believe with Lawrence Vickers attempting to pass? That was classic new-school Browns there. 

@nero said:

That call on 4th and 9 only could be made with

...with almost any of the coaches that we've had this century.  We've seen a ton.  Bubble screen on 1st and goal from the 1 in OT against the Steelers.  (we lose the game)

A 63 yard FG att with Devin Hester returning it...TWICE, because there was an 'ice the kicker' time out just before the first woefully short attempt. (honestly, THAT one really got to me.  I mean, here we see the first attempted FG and Hester catches it in the middle of the end zone.  I was like, WHEW, lucky the coach got to see that, now we can punt.  BUT NO, Pettine lets him do it again and Hester ALMOST returned it for a TD.  - remember, all of our guys are 'blocking' at the LOS when the ball is kicked.  The returner catches it with LOTS of space.)

And who can forget Pat Shurmur, after a big play, lining the guys up quickly and calling a running play with no RB on the field.  The TE Alex Smith jumped into the RB position and promptly fumbled the hand-off because, get this, He never took a hand-off before (he said after the game - and it SURE looked it).

And last, but not least, with my son & I in the stands, the dumb-ass On Side kick defense.  It was the Josh Gordon game against the Patriots.  Josh kicked their ass.  The Patriots came down the field with the game almost over and scored a TD.  They had to get the onside kick or it was all over.  I'm watching the Patriots special team stroll onto the field, they're taking their time, lining up....and I'm like, Not for nuthin' but where's OUR guys?  I immediately notice that we've got two little huddles going on each side of the field...It's a Trick Onside line-up by the DEFENSE.  ?!?  I said out loud, "WHAT?  He's gonna kick it right up the middle and get it himself."  And sure enough, he kicked it right up the middle and the Patriots recovered and beat us.  - Woody Allen couldn't write this stuff.

Yup. We've seen some of the dumbest of dumb-ass play calls by our 'brain-trust' this century.  Let's now see how the Polack does it.

@orion said:

I'm not football smart enough to make that call. 

Of course, people would say,  If it worked then he's a genius.  

That call on 4th and 9 only could be made with Micharl Vick in his prime or Lamar Jackson as QBs. And even then many of us would argue against it. 

@jbluhm86 said:

What about the nuances of a draw play on 4th and 9 can you not see?

I'm not football smart enough to make that call. 

Of course, people would say,  If it worked then he's a genius.  

@orion said:

Yup.  I believe that he saw Freddie as an honest to God 'Football Guy'.  And that's his type of guy.  Too bad for John that Freddie turned out to be lousy.

What about the nuances of a draw play on 4th and 9 can you not see?

@browns52 said:

2 worse moves ever in pro sports

Let's not forget Paul Warfield for Mike Phipps.     

...but if you're bad mouthing Dorsey, you should mention drafting Austin Corbet before Chubb.   (actally, before ANYbody)

@kvoethe said:

Chubb...ward...obj...hunt...baker...yeah...terrible record...

errrrr.....freddy kitchens.....errr freddy kitchens......worse move since the ernest byner trade for mike elephant.....2 worse moves ever in pro sports...so forget about those players you named....it could have been rice montana deon sanders emmitt smith lawrence taylor....etc etc...

@warriorsrpussies said:

Hiring Freddie did him no favors as well.

Yup.  I believe that he saw Freddie as an honest to God 'Football Guy'.  And that's his type of guy.  Too bad for John that Freddie turned out to be lousy.

@tour2ma said:

Anyone still missing Dorsey?

Dammit! I went all 7 pages without making a single post...Till now !

     far to early, but we got plenty of down time to kill... while neither of these guys coached a single down... 

who hired Freddie than fell on the sword wanting him back? (despite JD's hate for the pencil neck geek in Depo too)

who hired Huejax?

Who can fire a owner?

Whom got real players? that Jimmah now calls "core players"?

Edit-- am just a fan, of expecting Berry to build a 'real', well coached football team, regardless of the endless rolling out of credit names  

@dutch-oven said:

Can you at least wait until I do? 

lol... OK, deal...

But remember... I know what you are thinking. ?

Is it OK if I go after Orion?

@ballpeen said:

Like Corbett and some of the others are studding out.  Even Hospital Ward is a disappointment if he always sees stars and how cobweb in his head.

Dorsey had a lot of picks.  I am still hopeful Baker works out.

I think  each of them Dorsey and  Sashi had two years each to draft.  

Sure, both had some dud choices, but I think overall Dorsey had a far better batting average with his picks than Sashi.  

I guess we could break it down and see if we want. 

Dorsey wasn't perfect...but when he came in the first thing he did was cut that useless cancer WR Sashi gave millions to.  And then, with a 1-31 team (and a crack pot, trigger finger owner) he knew he wasn't going to lure free agents to us, so what did he do?  He TRADED for some helpful players, like Landry.  I thought, Brilliant!  Bring them to us kicking and screaming if you have to, just elevate our talent.  And then right away he drafted us a QB...something Sashi avoided like the plague (do we now change that to, like The COVID?).  - I hear Dexter Manly is hospitalized with COVID 19 and now has pneumonia, and he's scared.  So, God bless Dexter, get well.

@tour2ma said:

Odd thing to say since I stated how diggin it up came to be in my first new post.

As for tweaking your Sashi beak.... let's just say I have fun doing it. At least as much fun as you have taking the other side.

If you can't take it, then don't dish it out...

Can you at least wait until I do? 

I feel like there is this ongoing Dorsey vs Sashi fight between you and I that is going on almost exclusively in your head. ?