@bob806 said:

I tend to agree. He lost several AFC Title games in his own stadium.

He got it for the publicity.  

@the-gipper said:

I guess we should ask:  why isn't Marty on that list?   Every other one of the Top Ten winningest coaches are in the HOF or are on that list, except Belichick and Reid, who are still active and not eligible:

For the same reason 1\2 the Steel Curtain got in, and Marty and Clay Matthews aren't- the Steelers won Super Bowls, the Browns didn't. They'd both be in if they had won rings. I still feel Matthews was every bit as good as Jack Ham- who got in a long time ago. 

@bob806 said:

I see. Well little folks like the fans will never have a say-so.

Admitting I have some anger issues, jealousy issues with Pittsburgh and Denver, if you compare apples-to-apples, it's pretty obvious Reeves had a far better coaching career. 

There's a definite Steelers bias with the HOF. Lots of great NFL players played in Pittsburgh, but they are over represented as a whole in Canton IMHO. I use Kevin Greene and Lynn Swan as examples. 

Denver....who's in? Off the top of my head it's Elway, Floyd Little, & Terrell Davis. Where's Randy Gradishar, Rick Upchurch, Steve Atwater, Carl Mecklenburg?They've had similar success as a franchise as Pittsburgh over about the same time frame (1970-present). It's plain wrong.

Shannon Sharpe

Atwater

Boselli

Seymour

@pavo-joe said:

Thank God no modell

? 

1. Reggie Wayne  155

2.  Zach Thomas  149

3. Alan Faneca  146

4. Isaac Bruce 137

5. Edgerrin James 136

6. Sam Mills  126

7. Tori Holt  123

8. Steve Hutchinson  119

9. Bryant Young 117

10. John Lynch  115

11. Troy Polamalu  115

Of course, those just apply to the guys that are up for finalists this year.   They left off Clay Matthews, and he had a 137 CA.  As for Vag's whining about Polamalu.....there are even other Steelers that had better carees who are not on this list:  Hardy Nickerson had a 129.  Hines Ward had a better CA.   And Poly, with his paltry 115  production?   The following guys have a right to complain:   Jim Marshall  164 not in.  Ken Anderson 161 not in. 

He should/could get his Steeler representative in the form of Alan Faneca....not Polly. 

And don't forget, Donnie Shell got in with the Centennial Class

Zombo said:

Modell didnt make it, pop the champagne.

Z

Hard to make any HOF when on one side you had some contributions to the game -but- on the other you're a shady operator.

May he just fade away.........

@vagitron said:

Not listing Polamalu is only showing the bias of some of you. He's going in and if he doesn't it will be because he doesnt care about accolades and the hall has an ego to floss. 

Or, maybe, like in my opinion, he is up against a couple of other  Safeties who have waited longer and who were likely better,  in John Lynch and Steve Atwater. 

But you are right....he will go in someday....maybe even this year,  whether he deserves it or not. 

Speedie will become the Browns' 17th Hall of Famer and first inducted since Gene Hickerson in 2007.

Jimbo Covert OT  80s Bears

Winston Hill OT Jets

Harold Carmichael  WR Eagles

Duke Slater   OT....several teams from the 20s

Ed Sprinkle  dE/LB  40s Bears

Steve Sabol  NFL Films

Alex Karras DT  Lions   "Mongo"

Bobby Dillon  S   50s Packers   (not to be confused with Bobby Dylan)

Donnie Shell DB  70s Steelers

George Young.    GM for the Colts in 60s,  Dolphins Dynasty, and Giants in 80s

Cliff Harris  S   Cowboys

Paul Tagliabue    Commish

Mac Speedie  WR   40s/50s Browns.

@vagitron said:

Not listing Polamalu is only showing the bias of some of you. He's going in and if he doesn't it will be because he doesnt care about accolades and the hall has an ego to floss. 

if he doesn't, it's because he is a girly-man who was a cheap shot artist even before the NFL.....

@the-gipper said:

OK, but saying no is superfluous.   But I think perhaps the analysis is:   If Cowher is someone that belongs in the HOF, then so do X,Y, Z who are not yet in.   I sort of did that above, with Flores, Reeves, Marty, others.  Chuck Knox 

I see. Well little folks like the fans will never have a say-so.

Admitting I have some anger issues, jealousy issues with Pittsburgh and Denver, if you compare apples-to-apples, it's pretty obvious Reeves had a far better coaching career. 

There's a definite Steelers bias with the HOF. Lots of great NFL players played in Pittsburgh, but they are over represented as a whole in Canton IMHO. I use Kevin Greene and Lynn Swan as examples. 

Denver....who's in? Off the top of my head it's Elway, Floyd Little, & Terrell Davis. Where's Randy Gradishar, Rick Upchurch, Steve Atwater, Carl Mecklenburg?They've had similar success as a franchise as Pittsburgh over about the same time frame (1970-present). It's plain wrong.

@bob806 said:

No Gipper, I was writing about Bill Cowher in a response to Nickers. 

Cowher was 2-4 in AFC Title games, losing all 4 in his own stadium. 

Was Cowher a great coach? The answer would be yes. He certainly was a great motivator for his players.

Is he a Hall of Fame coach? Well, now he is but I say NO. 

OK, but saying no is superfluous.   But I think perhaps the analysis is:   If Cowher is someone that belongs in the HOF, then so do X,Y, Z who are not yet in.   I sort of did that above, with Flores, Reeves, Marty, others.  Chuck Knox 

@the-gipper said:

Marty?    Browns 1986, yes.  What others?  

No Gipper, I was writing about Bill Cowher in a response to Nickers. 

Cowher was 2-4 in AFC Title games, losing all 4 in his own stadium. 

Was Cowher a great coach? The answer would be yes. He certainly was a great motivator for his players.

Is he a Hall of Fame coach? Well, now he is but I say NO. 

@bob806 said:

I tend to agree. He lost several AFC Title games in his own stadium.

Marty?    Browns 1986, yes.  What others?  

@gorka said:

Cowher probably. But Johnson???

Most of the coaches you  listed including Johnson didn't even make this list. But Marty did.

Cowher won a lot. Won the division 8 out the 15 yrs he coached.

A tad better resume than HOF'er Tony Dungy. So yeah he deserves it if Dungy does.

17. Bill Cowher

Pittsburgh 1992-2006

149-90-1 (15 years), 12-9 in playoffs

8 division titles

2 Super Bowl appearances (XXX, XL)

Super Bowl XL champion

15. Tony Dungy

Tampa Bay 1996-2001; Indianapolis 2002-08

139-69 (13 years), 9-10 in playoffs

6 division titles

Super Bowl XLI champion

Pro Football Hall of Fame, Class of 2016

Apparently the criteria for Marty making this list has nothing to do with Super Bowls or playoff wins.

21. Marty Schottenheimer

Cleveland 1984-88; Kansas City 1989-98; Washington 2001; San Diego 2002-06

200-126-1 (21 years), 5-13 in playoffs

8 division titles

Schottenheimer coached four different teams and had only two losing seasons. That tells you how good he was.

https://athlonsports.com/nfl/25-greatest-head-coaches-nfl-history

OK...well, these lists are subjective. 

Dan Reeves went to the SB  4 times with 2 different teams, and lost them all.   Would one win have made a difference?   It didn't for Marv Levy and Bud Grant.....each 4 time SB losers.......but inducted. 

Flores?   With the Rooney rule discussion, maybe we should say that the HOF should have their own Rooney Rule...His background is Hispanic/Native American.    If they have Dungy in there for just one SB win, why not Flores with 2?

Marty had more wins and a better win pct. than Cowher....in the regular season.   So, obviously winning in the Postseason is a substantial requirement for induction......as Marty and Reeves are not in, even with substantially better regular season records. 

@dutch-oven said:

Great guy too. Hard not to like Marty. 

Same with Marv Levy, great coaches, great guys -but- didn't get the big one.

@dutch-oven said:

Great guy too. Hard not to like Marty. 

Marty's problem was he never learned from his mistakes.. He was a professional circle jerk as far as coaching goes

@mjp28 said:

To be nice he just wasn't "opportunistic".    

No trophies will be named after him.

Great guy too. Hard not to like Marty.