3 Stefanski linked free agents that could alter Cleveland Browns draft plans

@unsympathetic said:

churlish rapscallions

Beg pardon, old chap... but isn't that a trifle oxymoronic?

Although a couple times your thought may be, "does this guy know who the team has added this off-season?"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/one-move-each-nfl-team-should-still-make-this-offseason/ss-BB13VOn7?ocid=spartandhp

We were #4... trailing Cinci, Detroit and #1, Miami. List is in order of 202 cap hit, but each teams' total guaranteed commitment is also included in summary.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/which-nfl-teams-spent-the-most-in-free-agency/ss-BB13BZeN?ocid=spartandhp&fullscreen=true#image=30

@bigalow80 said:

The 49ers were screwed because they found out Staley was retiring the 2nd day of the draft. They didn't have much choice. 

Would make a great story... if only it were true.

Of course they knew. When the 49ers passed on Iowa tackle Tristan Wirfs with the 13th pick in the NFL Draft, it was not for lack of consideration. They knew Joe Staley was retiring. They also knew they were closing in on a deal for Washington Redskins left tackle Trent Williams, but had to be tactile in the way they carried out their business.

If Joe Staley retired before the draft, the Redskins could pump up the asking price, especially given the tempestuous relationship between Kyle Shanahan and Redskins owner Daniel Snyder. And Staley gave the 49ers the gift of information, while also waiting to share that information with the world.

https://www.knbr.com/2020/04/25/lynch-shanahan-reveal-when-they-learned-about-staley-retirement-how-it-played-into-draft-strategy/

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There's been some speculation on when the San Francisco 49ers were made aware of veteran tackle Joe Staley's decision to retire. Some had wondered if general manager John Lynch and company knew about the decision well before the draft, and whether or not Lynch knew about it when he told reporters he was confident Staley would play in his 14th NFL season.

Did the 49ers keep the information "close to the vest" and "strategically lie," as so many teams do leading to the draft?

Apparently, Staley didn't confirm his decision to Lynch and the 49ers until the week leading to the draft, which is what head coach Kyle Shanahan has indicated, as well.

"The reality on that deal, we didn't really have the conversation with Joe until the week of the draft," Lynch told Andrew Siciliano on NFL Now. "I think Joe was trying to give himself and his body time. Joe wanted to keep playing, but his body simply didn't allow for it.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/136465-49ers-didnt-about-staleys-decision-retire-until-draft/

@texasag1969 said:

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/bengals-to-release-andy-dalton-report

And another rumor out there is that Billy B may be interested for NE.

That rumor has been out there for months.

And another rumor out there is that Billy B may be interested for NE.

@bigalow80 said:

The 49ers were screwed because they found out Staley was retiring the 2nd day of the draft.

Fortunate for us.  They may have tried to trade up in front of us and take our guy.

Mrs. Wife just mentioned that the Bengals have released Andy Dalton.

@unsympathetic said:

Trent Williams was traded on draft day from Skins to 49ers for a 4th this year [the most recent draft] and 49'ers 3rd next year.  Note that he's now starting there due to Staley's injury retirement.

Seems fairly low compensation to me.. If we could have offered our lower 3rd round this year and next year's 4th and done the same, would you do that deal - maybe throw in Hubbard just to get his contract out the door?

Hubbard resigned for a very team friendly deal. I would not have done that deal. I like Williams and if the browns wanted him, they would have offered more. The 49ers were screwed because they found out Staley was retiring the 2nd day of the draft. They didn't have much choice. 

As I see it - (Wills, Harrison and Phillips) > Williams.

It's a simple view - but it works for me.

Seems fairly low compensation to me.. If we could have offered our lower 3rd round this year and next year's 4th and done the same, would you do that deal - maybe throw in Hubbard just to get his contract out the door?

• 10 Jadeveon Clowney (27) EDGE

• 44 Logan Ryan (29) CB

• 47 Jason Peters (38)  OT

• 56 Eli Apple (24) CB

• 87 Markus Golden (29) EDGE

• 97 Darqueze Dennard (28) CB

Of the above Logan Ryan is the "still available" name that surprises me the most. He had a really good 2020.

@dutch-oven said:

If Winston had any idea on his division rivals, he wouldn't throw 30 interceptions. 

I was referring to Tampa

@londonbrown said:

This smacks of "tell me all about our division rivals" to me

If Winston had any idea on his division rivals, he wouldn't throw 30 interceptions. 

@tour2ma said:

Looks like Mr. Winston will be moving to NOLA...

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-jameis-winston-saints-finalizing-deal-081654906.html

Took a Miss St. QB late, but have to think they missed someone earlier...

... but it's not like Sean P. can't bring a QB along.

This smacks of "tell me all about our division rivals" to me

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-jameis-winston-saints-finalizing-deal-081654906.html

Took a Miss St. QB late, but have to think they missed someone earlier...

... but it's not like Sean P. can't bring a QB along.

@the-gipper said:

A.  Do you think Clayton is all we would need on the edge?   I do not, not really.  Not disparaging him...just saying....more is better.

B. We have Teller and Forbes also as RG.....do you think Nick Harris would be better than those two?

A) - I did not think Clayton is all the help we would get from the edge.  But so far, that's how it stands.

b) - I don't think that it should be too hard to beat out our guys...unless Forbes can prove me wrong.   And I don't think we drafted a Center just to play center (or, not play at all because Tretter is the guy who'll play center).  He would at least have to backup the Guard position.

The OLine takes a while to gel...and we might have 3 new pieces.  I hope they get enough time to work together before live games are being played.

@orion said:

That guy is like a Cheerio floating in the milk....a Cheerio with no iron in it, so it's attracted to nothing.  (worst thing that could've happened to him was this receiver heavy draft)   Perhaps his agent will call the Browns and beg them to let him back on the team.

- We didn't address the Edge position....but we DID sign Clayborn.

I'm just hoping that the Center we drafted can play RG at least until it's time for Tretter to retire.

A.  Do you think Clayton is all we would need on the edge?   I do not, not really.  Not disparaging him...just saying....more is better.

B. We have Teller and Forbes also as RG.....do you think Nick Harris would be better than those two?

@sdbacker80 said:

Sign Hollywood.

That guy is like a Cheerio floating in the milk....a Cheerio with no iron in it, so it's attracted to nothing.  (worst thing that could've happened to him was this receiver heavy draft)   Perhaps his agent will call the Browns and beg them to let him back on the team.

- We didn't address the Edge position....but we DID sign Clayborn.

I'm just hoping that the Center we drafted can play RG at least until it's time for Tretter to retire.

@the-gipper said:

So.....after our Draft....(and UDFA pickup..but won't count all that)

Where do the Browns still need to supplement their roster/depth chart  with  Veteran Free Agents.   

They did NOT address the "Edge" Position:   DE/OLB.

There are some guys still out there, veteran FAs.   Should they go after someone for the Edge   (Clowney/Matthews)....or  a WR  (Higgins)

.....or any other position,  or anyone else you think we should pursue?

Veteran LB.  
Clowney for Vernon.

Sign Hollywood.

Where do the Browns still need to supplement their roster/depth chart  with  Veteran Free Agents.   

They did NOT address the "Edge" Position:   DE/OLB.

There are some guys still out there, veteran FAs.   Should they go after someone for the Edge   (Clowney/Matthews)....or  a WR  (Higgins)

.....or any other position,  or anyone else you think we should pursue?

A. We lost  2 TEs:   Harris and Seal-Jones.   Got Hooper back.   Still have  Njoku,  Pharoah,  Carlson......I think we are in good shape here...no draft priority.

We pick up  Harrison Bryant in the Draft

B.  ILB:   Lost  Schobert and  Kirksey...and probably Adarious Taylor.   Got back BJ Goodson.  Still have Takitaki, and maybe Mack Wilson some.  Still a major area of need IMO

We pick up  Jacob Phillips in the Draft

C. Safeties:  Lost:  Murray/Burris/Randall/and Burnett.   Replaced them so far with Karl Joseph and Sandejo.  Still have Redwine.    Still an area of significant  need IMO

We pick up Grant Delpit in the draft

D. Offensive Guard:   Lost  McCray/Kush.   No FA pickups.  Still have starters Bito/Teller and Drew Forbes.  Definite need for depth if not one starter.

We pick up  Nick Harris....maybe in draft

E.  Offensive Tackle:   Lost  Robinson.  Picked up Conklin.  Still have Hubbard.  Absolute area of need even with Conklin on board,  probably #1

We pick up Jedrick Wills in round one in draft.

F.  Quarterback:   No losses....well Drew Stanton if you want to count him.    Picked up Keenum.  Still have Baker/Gilbert.    NO need here. 

NO  pick

G.   Running back .  NO losses.   Still have   Chubb/Hunt (re-signed)/Hilliard/Johnson.  See NO need here.

NO pick

H. Center.     NO losses.   Picked up Evan Brown for backup.  Still have Tretter.  See NO need here. 

Nick Harris also plays here...backup

I. Wide Receiver.  Higgins status up in air. May lose.   Picked up JoJo Natson, listed as WR, but to be ST/PR.  We still have   OBJ/Landry and a half dozen other backups.. of undetermined value.   Seems a minor area of need. 

Picked up Donovan Peoples-Jones in draft.

J. Defensive Tackle.  NO losses.   Picked up Andrew Billings for backup.  Have Ogunjobi/Richardson as starters, and Eli Ankou backup plus a few others.   Maybe could use a guy, but a minor priority.

We pick up  Jordan Elliot 

K. Defensive Ends.  Looks like we lose Brian Cox Jr.  Picked up Andrew Clayborn.   Still have Garrett, Olivier, Chad Thomas.   Clayborn over Cox should be a net gain, so it seems like we are good...but it may not hurt to get someone. 

NOT addressed. 

L. OLBs. Did not lose anyone here,  but our OLBs now are listed as Willie Harvey and  Mack Wilson.  Backups are no names like Jermaine Grace/Trevon Young.   Definite area of need IMO.

NOT addressed

M.  Special Teams.....no major losses.   We picked up a guy named Tavierre Thomas who is listed as top KR...and Natson is supposed to be  PR (though he is not listed there on depth chart). We have  Kicker/Punter/Holder/Long Snapper well in hand.   Punt and Kick returner?  There is Natson/Thomas...and there are guys on the depth chart  (Landry listed as our #1 PR).     We could certainly use someone...be it a guy already on the roster/draft/FA?

Peoples-Jones  has  Punt return experience and skills. 

A. We lost  2 TEs:   Harris and Seal-Jones.   Got Hooper back.   Still have  Njoku,  Pharoah,  Carlson......I think we are in good shape here...no draft priority.

B.  ILB:   Lost  Schobert and  Kirksey...and probably Adarious Taylor.   Got back BJ Goodson.  Still have Takitaki, and maybe Mack Wilson some.  Still a major area of need IMO

C. Safeties:  Lost:  Murray/Burris/Randall/and Burnett.   Replaced them so far with Karl Joseph and Sandejo.  Still have Redwine.    Still an area of significant  need IMO

D. Offensive Guard:   Lost  McCray/Kush.   No FA pickups.  Still have starters Bito/Teller and Drew Forbes.  Definite need for depth if not one starter.

E.  Offensive Tackle:   Lost  Robinson.  Picked up Conklin.  Still have Hubbard.  Absolute area of need even with Conklin on board,  probably #1

F.  Quarterback:   No losses....well Drew Stanton if you want to count him.    Picked up Keenum.  Still have Baker/Gilbert.    NO need here. 

G.   Running back .  NO losses.   Still have   Chubb/Hunt (re-signed)/Hilliard/Johnson.  See NO need here.

H. Center.     NO losses.   Picked up Evan Brown for backup.  Still have Tretter.  See NO need here. 

I. Wide Receiver.  Higgins status up in air. May lose.   Picked up JoJo Natson, listed as WR, but to be ST/PR.  We still have   OBJ/Landry and a half dozen other backups.. of undetermined value.   Seems a minor area of need. 

J. Defensive Tackle.  NO losses.   Picked up Andrew Billings for backup.  Have Ogunjobi/Richardson as starters, and Eli Ankou backup plus a few others.   Maybe could use a guy, but a minor priority.

K. Defensive Ends.  Looks like we lose Brian Cox Jr.  Picked up Andrew Clayborn.   Still have Garrett, Olivier, Chad Thomas.   Clayborn over Cox should be a net gain, so it seems like we are good...but it may not hurt to get someone. 

L. OLBs. Did not lose anyone here,  but our OLBs now are listed as Willie Harvey and  Mack Wilson.  Backups are no names like Jermaine Grace/Trevon Young.   Definite area of need IMO.

M.  Special Teams.....no major losses.   We picked up a guy named Tavierre Thomas who is listed as top KR...and Natson is supposed to be  PR (though he is not listed there on depth chart). We have  Kicker/Punter/Holder/Long Snapper well in hand.   Punt and Kick returner?  There is Natson/Thomas...and there are guys on the depth chart  (Landry listed as our #1 PR).     We could certainly use someone...be it a guy already on the roster/draft/FA?