... but if OBJ and/or others don't, then I don't think it's the end of the world.

@tour2ma said:

I was expecting a response... but got more than I bargained for...

Here's my point... Athletes have worked with trainers for years thru college and the Pros, and while not all were likely "the most advanced" through it all the athletes have to have learned what has worked best for them. From this point it's a matter of dedicated adherence to that recipe.

Today's athletes train year around. Most with trainers of their own choosing in groups of their own choosing. If they choose to continue to do this rather than attend OTAs, I seriously doubt they are any more prone to "soft tissue injuries".

You should know me better than that... ?

I'm sure Odell did train on his own, but based on his lack of effort in attending critical - and I do mean critical team building activities, I have serious doubts on the effort he put out when no one was looking.

Again, I simply don't like the dude and I think he's nothing more than a distraction for a team that can't get out of its own way. If he goes out and tears it up this season, I'll be happy with each and every TD catch..... but I still won't like the man under the orange helmet. 

Hopefully he heals up quickly, puts in the work on rehab and shows up to every possible team activity, because if last year's activities were "critical" to building a winning team, then this year they're absolutely dire.  

Here's my point... Athletes have worked with trainers for years thru college and the Pros, and while not all were likely "the most advanced" through it all the athletes have to have learned what has worked best for them. From this point it's a matter of dedicated adherence to that recipe.

Today's athletes train year around. Most with trainers of their own choosing in groups of their own choosing. If they choose to continue to do this rather than attend OTAs, I seriously doubt they are any more prone to "soft tissue injuries".

@tour2ma said:

I've also heard of players pulling muscles in OTAs... in camp... in season.... even in the postseason.

Well duh. Ask any heath care professional with a Doctorate degree or higher, and every single one of them will tell you the percentages of non contact injury decreases with increased flexibility combined with sport specific strength, but it's never eliminated. 

Obviously non contact soft tissue injuries happen to even the most fit athletes in the world and many times for no apparent reason, but to argue that a professional athlete that misses significant training time, under the most advanced supervision that money can buy is simply raising his or her's odds of injury, is just a Gipper like thing to do...... Up? no down. Black? no white. Round? no square. etc... etc...fucking etc....

Fuck it!! Fire all of the trainers, cut out the flexibility portion of practices and everyone just do what you think is best on your own time..... Yea, Super Bowl 241 here we come!!

@d-bone said:

... ever hear of a player holding out for more money, missing all of camp, signing the week before opening day and then missing significant time with a pulled hamstring or groin? I sure have. 

I've also heard of players pulling muscles in OTAs... in camp... in season.... even in the postseason.

Or...probably not. 

@icecube said:

I don't disagree with anything you said. I actually think Browns would be better off without him. Enough already. Last I checked, one hand catches in pre-game don't win games. 

Right on! One handed catches and hot dogging during pre game isn’t needed, especially when your dropping passes and not winning. 

@d-bone said:

Yes. Many non contact soft tissue injuries in professional athletes are attributed to lack of specific sport conditioning...... ever hear of a player holding out for more money, missing all of camp, signing the week before opening day and then missing significant time with a pulled hamstring or groin? I sure have. 

Football game shape.  

@d-bone said:

Yes. Many non contact soft tissue injuries in professional athletes are attributed to lack of specific sport conditioning...... ever hear of a player holding out for more money, missing all of camp, signing the week before opening day and then missing significant time with a pulled hamstring or groin? I sure have. 

I don't like OBJ. Never have. Probably never will - even if he wears Brown and Orange...... I don't have Brown and Orange blinders like a vast majority of people on this forum do.

All I'm saying is maybe if his Highness would've shown up to all team activities, then maybe he would've avoided a non contact, soft tissue injury resulting in a season of lack luster play, ultimately hurting the other 52 dudes on the field.

He'll never wear a C on his chest.  

I don't disagree with anything you said. I actually think Browns would be better off without him. Enough already. Last I checked, one hand catches in pre-game don't win games. 

@icecube said:

Is a groin injury a soft tissue injury?  I had a few of those and one last for over 6 months, not a joke, no way could I have played with it. 

Yes. Many non contact soft tissue injuries in professional athletes are attributed to lack of specific sport conditioning...... ever hear of a player holding out for more money, missing all of camp, signing the week before opening day and then missing significant time with a pulled hamstring or groin? I sure have. 

I don't like OBJ. Never have. Probably never will - even if he wears Brown and Orange...... I don't have Brown and Orange blinders like a vast majority of people on this forum do.

All I'm saying is maybe if his Highness would've shown up to all team activities, then maybe he would've avoided a non contact, soft tissue injury resulting in a season of lack luster play, ultimately hurting the other 52 dudes on the field.

He'll never wear a C on his chest.  

@icecube said:

Is a groin injury a soft tissue injury?  I had a few of those and one last for over 6 months, not a joke, no way could I have played with it. 

I had a groin pull in high school from training and running steps and it was a real bitch!  Took forever before it went away.

Remember too you can have different degrees and tears of muscles.....no fun.  Pulled an arch once too not as bad as the groin pull.

@d-bone said:

It is soft tissue. It's not structural or skeletal. It's soft tissue.

...... and to compare a core soft tissue injury to a knee injury is poppycock. Even for you. 

Is a groin injury a soft tissue injury?  I had a few of those and one last for over 6 months, not a joke, no way could I have played with it. 

@the-gipper said:

And I can tell you for certain that if someone is going for surgery, it is certainly NOT considered a soft tissue injury.  I have dealt with soft tissue injuries in my career with some personal injury cases.  

@the-gipper said:

Well....every muscle in your body is soft tissue then   If you tear a muscle it ain't no soft tissue injury. 

And I can tell you right now....from experience.....a soft tissue injury is often more painful and harder to heal from than a broken bone.  Fact. 

The only people that argue that "soft tissue" injuries are minor is anyone who has never had one, or insurance company adjusters.  That's not what you do, is it? 

So in your first statement you make it sound like there's no way hes going for surgery if it's a soft tissue injury essentially degrading a soft tissue injury.  Then follow it up with saying how they hurt more than bone injuries and a statement about "soft tissue" injuries are not minor. 

Where exactly did dbone say a soft tissue injury is a minor injury?  The only person that appears to even hint at soft tissue injuries being minor is yourself with the if you have surgery it's not soft tissue injury remark. 

Also tearing a muscle would be considered a soft tissue injury as muscles tendons and ligaments are soft tissues.

Whether you chip, fracture, break, or shatter a bone it's a skeletal injury. Just have whether to sprain, strain, tear, or shred a muscle it is still an injury to a soft tissue (therefore a soft tissue injury?)

@the-gipper said:

In his head, or in his neck?

Dude.. I would trust Frankenstein before I ever trusted OBJ...

@nickers said:

I hope they fixed the screws in his head while they were done there... But , I'm not holdin' my breath!

In his head, or in his neck?

@the-gipper said:

.......And I can tell you right now....from experience.....a soft tissue injury is often more painful and harder to heal from than a broken bone.  Fact. 

True.    You can put most bone recoveries on a time table.

Some soft tissue injuries can linger forever. Same with nerve damage, been there.  Nice discussing other people's injuries.

@d-bone said:

It is soft tissue. It's not structural or skeletal. It's soft tissue.

...... and to compare a core soft tissue injury to a knee injury is poppycock. Even for you. 

Well....every muscle in your body is soft tissue then   If you tear a muscle it ain't no soft tissue injury. 

And I can tell you right now....from experience.....a soft tissue injury is often more painful and harder to heal from than a broken bone.  Fact. 

The only people that argue that "soft tissue" injuries are minor is anyone who has never had one, or insurance company adjusters.  That's not what you do, is it? 

@the-gipper said:

That is wholly speculative...like saying had a player been at June OTAs that he would have avoided a knee injury in September.  Pure poppycock.  

And I can tell you for certain that if someone is going for surgery, it is certainly NOT considered a soft tissue injury.  I have dealt with soft tissue injuries in my career with some personal injury cases.  

It is soft tissue. It's not structural or skeletal. It's soft tissue.

...... and to compare a core soft tissue injury to a knee injury is poppycock. Even for you. 

@icecube said:

If he needed surgery on "core" that's no joke. 

I've had to rehab many times and it starts with the core!  And yes you can play through some core issues if you can take the pain.

I had surgery on my left pelvis in 2019 they went through the hip joint area to get to that.  After the hospital stay was over it was back to rehab starting with those core exercises.

That's also where your power comes from in a lot of sports.

@the-gipper said:

That is wholly speculative...like saying had a player been at June OTAs that he would have avoided a knee injury in September.  Pure poppycock.  

And I can tell you for certain that if someone is going for surgery, it is certainly NOT considered a soft tissue injury.  I have dealt with soft tissue injuries in my career with some personal injury cases.  

If he needed surgery on "core" that's no joke. 

@d-bone said:

Showing up to all of the voluntary OTAs in the spring would've gone a long way to preventing a soft tissue injury in August once he finally did get to camp and obviously out of prime football shape.  

That is wholly speculative...like saying had a player been at June OTAs that he would have avoided a knee injury in September.  Pure poppycock.  

And I can tell you for certain that if someone is going for surgery, it is certainly NOT considered a soft tissue injury.  I have dealt with soft tissue injuries in my career with some personal injury cases.