@tour2ma said:

Can't go that far yet, but I understand the sentiment.

My two hopes are:

1. Stef has the leadership chops to be a HC. Indications out of MN are good.
2. Behind the scenes Berry was consistently "righter" about player moves during his three-year tenure here than the collection wisdom in the building.

Can Stef traverse all the craziness and be a conductor to make it work? Well, it's gotta be an improvement over last year, right? Baker matured some, Cluster f---k Freddie gone. 

@icecube said:

Sigh. All they've done is rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic. Nothing more. 

This is a tired analogy. Sure, first time l read it l thought it was witty. I’m sure there are plenty of other things that could have been rearranged on the Titanic. Silverware drawers, linen cabinets, Leonardo DiCaprio's.

@icecube said:

Sigh. All they've done is rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic. Nothing more. 

Can't go that far yet, but I understand the sentiment.

My two hopes are:

1. Stef has the leadership chops to be a HC. Indications out of MN are good.
2. Behind the scenes Berry was consistently "righter" about player moves during his three-year tenure here than the collection wisdom in the building.

@tour2ma said:

It was never going to be "all analytics".

Everyone knows that.  But it is real high tech stuff.

@bjh2130 said:

All coaches and GMs have been around long enough

umm...he's only 32 years old.  He ain't even been alive all that long.

@orion said:

THAT was the best part of his presser, for me anyway.

If true that's the best part.  All coaches and GMs have been around long enough that they know what to say.  It is about if they can (or do) actually execute what they are saying.

@hoorta said:

"Now listen – I want to make this very clear because I know a lot has been rumored and said about this topic – we will be a scouting-centered front office because I have always believed and I continue to believe scouting to be the lifeblood of roster building in the NFL. We also are going to incorporate information, research and insights into our decision making." 

THAT was the best part of his presser, for me anyway.

"Now listen – I want to make this very clear because I know a lot has been rumored and said about this topic – we will be a scouting-centered front office because I have always believed and I continue to believe scouting to be the lifeblood of roster building in the NFL. We also are going to incorporate information, research and insights into our decision making." 

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/02/andrew-berry-discusses-his-new-role-as-browns-gm-at-introductory-press-conference-transcript.html

@orion said:

It makes it waayy too easy to start throwing one another under the bus.  And it's for that reason that I think Jimmy LIKES this type of setup.  He LIKES hearing dirt about the 'others'. 

I don't think it's so much that Jimmah likes hearing dirt as it is he likes being in the loop(s). My impression, and I think yours as well, is that others have sidled up to him for some one-on-one time, namely Dorsey and Hue and Farmer. That's why there's been such an emphasis of filling key positions with guys who can work together, i.e., collaborate.

My question is: How much is Jimmah in Berea these days? If answer is "not much", then odds are he only has weekly meetings with the key Depo-Berry-Stef trio as a group. Minimizing sidle opportunities isn't as important now as it might be during the 2020 season, but it can't hurt to do so early when the trio is learning how to work together.

@gumby73 said:

Will Berry even fill the Eliot Wolf position? I hate the idea that Berry can only talk nuts & bolts of football to 2 nuts.. Highsmith's position, you would think, would have to have a newbie?  

The Head of College Scouting is the only position I see as a "must fill", but I'd expect Berry to tab an Asst. GM as well. The question is timing. How much value is there in spending the time to bring in new folks this close to the Draft vs. focusing on Big Board prep.

@canton-dawg said:

You mean a football Czar?

Tongue in cheek, sort of.  Anything is better than having Jimmy in the loop.  But now we've got him in THREE loops.

I can almost understand DePo having his own path to Jimmy.  The analytics guy.  Although he also works with the GM & HC.  He's not breaking down the film regarding player's technique, but he has other info (character, value, etc.)

It's not that I don't think that a HC & GM being equals on the organizational chart is inherently a bad thing.  I just think when it's JIMMY in the equation....it's safer to have fewer people in his ear.

@the-gipper said:

But that was because of Holmgren. not because of the set up

I think the set up isn’t relevant when Jimmy Haslam is part of the equation.

@canton-dawg said:

You mean a football Czar?

They had one of those in Mike Holmgren, and that set up didn’t work either.

But that was because of Holmgren. not because of the set up

@orion said:

One of my main problems going forward is with everyone reporting to the owner.

It makes it waayy too easy to start throwing one another under the bus.  And it's for that reason that I think Jimmy LIKES this type of setup.  He LIKES hearing dirt about the 'others'.  

.....might be better off having them report to the new Chief Of Staff.....

You mean a football Czar?

They had one of those in Mike Holmgren, and that set up didn’t work either.

It makes it waayy too easy to start throwing one another under the bus.  And it's for that reason that I think Jimmy LIKES this type of setup.  He LIKES hearing dirt about the 'others'.  

.....might be better off having them report to the new Chief Of Staff.....

@tour2ma said:

Not knowing what FA moves we'll make and who we'll draft... a 10 loss 2020 feels about right at this point... and considering new systems, new young coaches and FO... that ain't bad.

Question is Dutch, had we stood pat, Freddie included, then what would you put our losses at?

I really think myself included that the 7-8-1 season with the #1 pick Heisman trophy winning quarterback got BROWNS fans everywhere all shook up and they started envisioning 10 to 12 win seasons and playoffs and all of that.

Then 6-10 comes along and the same guy is at the controls, new coach and now we're lost again asking if the BROWNS might break .500 again.

So what do we Vince ?

@tour2ma said:

lol...

Well don't go all optimistic on us now... just when hoorta was preparing to pass his "Curmudgeon" moniker to you.

Like I said, I'm just "beating the crowds" when it comes to this current set-up.

I'm sure it will be a full-on traffic jam soon enough. ?

Well don't go all optimistic on us now... just when hoorta was preparing to pass his "Curmudgeon" moniker to you.

@tour2ma said:

Not knowing what FA moves we'll make and who we'll draft... a 10 loss 2020 feels about right at this point... and considering new systems, new young coaches and FO... that ain't bad.

Question is Dutch, had we stood pat, Freddie included, then what would you put our losses at?

Once again, and it's probably because I worded it poorly, I wasn't "calling my shot" with a prediction that the upcoming season will be a 10 or more loss season. I meant virtually every season in the last 21 has been a 10 or more loss season.

@dutch-oven said:

You having a good time with this guaranteed 10 or more loss a season team Mark?

Not knowing what FA moves we'll make and who we'll draft... a 10 loss 2020 feels about right at this point... and considering new systems, new young coaches and FO... that ain't bad.

Question is Dutch, had we stood pat, Freddie included, then what would you put our losses at?