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For God's sake, let's be honest: Derek Anderson has a big arm. He's also inconsistent, erratic, generally inaccurate, immobile, and not terribly bright. He throws a lot of interceptions, probably since Pee Wees.

All in all, he's not good enough. He's Jim Everett.

"...I bet you don't call me Chris again..."

"Okay. Chris"

That was one of the best things I have ever seen.

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- Tom F.

No sweat. I fully understand your frustration. I have been right there since CLE went with DA for the Giants game. Even when CLE won (played a great game across the board), I walked away with a sick feeling in my stomach.

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All in all, he's not good enough. He's Jim Everett.

"...I bet you don't call me Chris again..."

"Okay. Chris"

He was also a serious draftnick the likes of Al, Shep, Heck and some others.

- Tom F.

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Okay, we get Heck back onto this side of the board and we've really god something going. Damn, and ZOMBO!!

That Jason guy was always good for lines like that.

My favorite he ever pulled was: ""My issue with Derrick Anderson is like watching "The Sixth Sense" on TBS... sure it's got it's moments... but I already know how it ends. "

"We FINALLY have a guy that MOVES the chains on offense so when we're BUSTING our tails on the defense we KNOW it's not a wasted cause. We all BELIEVE in our QB as our leader."

When we start out a football game with this message: "don't count on too much from me today - it's the yucky Derek Anderson" do you think I give a rat about Braylon Edwards dropping a RARE pass that leads the receiver?

When a former Conference MVP QB (Gannon) does our game and he says he has been surprised the Browns haven't played Quinn by now - guess what? He fully understands how much the QB means.

Look at Dallas with and without a QB?

Look at Baltimore with Boller vrs Baltimore that went 13-3 w/ McNair and now how they look with Flaccoseagulls.

Look at Atlanta.

Look at the Jets.

Chicago.

It matters if players buy/don't buy into a QB. And you know when home town fans want a new Head Coach? When the QB sucks the most.

The thing I'm absolutely IRATE over is that Phil Savage COMMITTED to Quinn in the 2007 draft so when he was WRONG about Charlie WHY does he an inexpereinced QB that was 0-3 and enormously outplayed by Quinn in the preseason of 2007? Some will say beat 9 pansies and a Seattle team that gets limp wristed on the road - my question is DID IT TRANSLATE TO PLAYOFFS? If not, we SHOULD have played the guy Savage traded away the 2008 first round pick for. That guy is Felix Jones in case you're wondering as you watch Jamal looking like Fred Sanford when he's gotta run. Dude, just hit the same concrete wall that Ruben Droughns and William Green ran into after promising first seasons with us.

I don't care how good or bad the Denver Defense is it's start #1 for Quinn. That's ridiculous the way DA stunk so consistently. Quinn should have been the relief pitcher instead of watching DA embarass himself week after week after week. The Giants game showed me what the TEAM is capable IF/WHEN they get consistency from the QB starting with the first snap. Not that he'll ever admit this but even Loverboy (Lums) was spitting up side by side with his baby gagging on DA's play. We've wasted 2 FULL seasons on Queer-Eye-4-The-Dumb-QB when Quinn could have been WELL seasoned by now. We can have a STRONG finish and go 9-7 or 8-8 but IMO - SHAME on Opie & RAC for thinking we didn't NEED playoffs in the 4th year of their plan. That's a FREAKIN F and I don't feel like saying FREAKIN.

- Tom F. (GOOSEFRABBA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

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I am gonna poke him to join. If I return to NE Ohio, I am looking forward to watching games with him.

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You know, the Bill Kenney connection is a good one. He made a Pro Bowl, too.

I don't think he did spend time in KC. The Kenney was indeed a great connection. Dude just knows his football (coaches too). Riffer and JADBF will attest to this guy. He was the one with the great break down of DA I posted earlier this season. Here is a good one on Quinn from last year before the season.

"If you want to tell which one of the guys under center is the "real" quarterback... just watch their feet. Say what you want about the arm or the head... but quarterbacks, like all football players, win with their feet.

Quinn's footwork on his drop, release, and lateral slides is textbook - exactly how you draw it up. It speaks to how much a player has internalized what he's been taught. Quinn has in his head and muscle memory a specific set of responses to external stimuli. He reacts. He doesn't revert. He doesn't have to. He's been conditioned to only respond in certain ways. He's like a machine. And as a coach, you're eyes light up when you see it.

Frye is a reverter. When faced with pressure he reverts to a sort of street-ball sensibility - running here and there, trying to force a breakdown. Don't get me wrong, it's served him well. It's what announcers call "guile", or "moxie". They talk about "improvisational skills" and "never giving up on a play". And most coaches just call it double scotch on the rocks before film study.

Anderson does a bit of the same. Only he reverts to cannon-arming... trying to blast the ball into tight spots, or chucking the long ball to a place where he assumes (and all too often incorrectly) that no one but his guy could possibly get to it.

If you'd like to see some specific examples, watch the tape of the Detroit game if you have one. There are at least two different instances when both Frye and Quinn are forced to roll to their right. Watch them back to back and compare the body movements.

If you watch Frye first it doesn't look all that unusual.

Then watch Quinn. When Brady rolls, watch the 'full-chop' steps he takes. That is shoulders up, ball secure, ribcage lifted, and feet chopping... high. It's a most unnatural way to travel. But it's just how they teach it. He doesn't have to re-load to get rid of the ball. He's in perfect throwing position - he's just moving."

Something I'll be watching during the game tomorrow

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...Jim Hart...

Ouch. That guy had the biggest hip pads ever made. Most immobile QB ever.

Are you sure those were hip pads? I thought he just had an old school version of JaMarcus Russell-ass.

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Ouch. That guy had the biggest hip pads ever made. Most immobile QB ever.

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All in all, he's not good enough. He's Jim Everett.

To quote a guy I wished would post on here (because trust me, you'd all love his stuff) "DA is at worst, Bill Kenney, and at best Jim Hart... maybe a little Steve DeBerg for something in the middle. " And this was said last DEC.

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I strongly disagree.

Maybe Steve Beurlein

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1. His QB rating for the season is 68.9, despite only having been sacked 11 times. Big Ben has been sacked 26 times.

2. His QB rating against the AFC North is 53.3, the most important division we play against.

3. His QB rating against the AFC as a whole is 60.7.

4. His completion rate is 49.8 for the season, ranking him 57th in the NFL among QB who have taken a snap. He's right up there with Jamarcus Russell and below Tyler Thigpen and Tarvaris Jackson. Oh, and a guy named Charlie Frye.

5. Anderson is the lowest rated QB in the league with over 200 pass attempts.

6. Anderson has 1454 passing yards after 8 games. That's 181.8 yards per game. Charlie Frye-esque.

7. Against teams with better than .500 records this year, his QB rating is well under 75.

8. He has had a fumble in every game this season except one.

9. In his 5 December games last year he had a 66.6 QB rating. That means he has had a QB rating averaging below 69 for the last 13 games. That's nearly a full season of suckage in a row.

10. When the opponent is tough or there are expectations on his performance, he cracks under the pressure. His QB rating against good teams or in games we needed to win are abysmal. Arizona 71.6, Buffalo 57.1, New England 59, Oakland 57, San Francisco 75.4, Seattle 75, Pittsburgh 45 this year and 75 last year in one game, Redskins 58, Baltimore twice for 49.9... that's a lot of bad QB ratings and alot of bad games.

11. He gets into arguments with his teammates on the field and sidelines almost every game. He is losing the team quickly.

12. Against the AFC North he is averaging 162 yards per game this year.

13. His yards per attempt is 6.0. The average QB with any success is above 7.0. Drew Brees is at 8.4, Kurt Warner 8.2, Ben Roeth 7.1, even Joe Flacco is at 6.7!!!! DA is tied with Kerry Collins at 6.0.

14. His QB rating in the 4th quarter is 64.8.

15. His QB rating with 2 minutes left in a half is 13.2!!!!!!!

16. His QB rating when leading in a game is 83.5, but when we're losing, it's 57. So he wont be helping us once we lose the lead - no comebacks here.

17. His QB rating on third down is 51.2. Throwing the ball at the ground on purpose would give you a 39.7 rating.

18. His Yards per Attempt drops to 5.2 on third downs. Third and long is more than 5.2 yards. Say hello 3-and-out.

19. His completion rate on 3rd down is 43.4%.

20. His QB rating on third down and anything longer than 8 yards is 35.2

21. His QB rating on third down and 3-7 yards is 69.6.

22. His QB rating on 3rd and over 10 yards is 7.5 lol

Of course, Not all of the above can be 100% blamed on DA.

But when you complete half your passes, you're looking at pretty bad odds against going three-and-out on any given series.

He's not clutch, as the stats show. He seems to choke when we need him to come up big (see last week at Baltimore, see last season at Cincinnati when we needed a win to clinch the playoffs, see any Pittsburgh game), the Redskins game,etc.

He has the 4th most fumbles by a QB in the league.

He's in the bottom 5 starting QBs in the league in alot of different categories.

Take away the Giants game and all of his stats drop even lower.

Quarterbacks that have better QB Ratings than Derek Anderson include:

Chad Pennington, Kyle Orton, Jeff Garcia, Matt Cassel, Gus Frerotte, Jamarcus Russell, Jon Kitna, Kerry Collins, JT O'Sullivan, Dan Orlovsky, Joe Flacco... don't tell me you would have wanted ANY of these guys starting for the Browns before this season. Half of the above have already lost their starting jobs or WERE backups that took over for injured starters.

How bad is DA's completion percentage of 49.8%? Kurt Warner is completing 69.9% of his passes. That's twenty percent more. Brees, 69.1%. Pennington, 67.4%. Orton is even at 61.9%. Flacco 61.8! Matt Ryan, 58.6! DAN ORLOVSKY, 56%!!!!! Would you rather have a 49.8% chance to complete a 3rd down pass or 69.9% chance? Or even a 56% chance? Orlovsky is a BACKUP on the Lions and his percentage puts DA to shame. Frerotte, 57.6%, another backup. OSullivan, another backup at 58.4%. Griese 57.1%.

Why should we be OKAY with a LESS-THAN BACKUP CALIBER STARTER?

Who does Drew Brees throw to? Who does Chad Pennington throw to? Do they have big name receivers like Braylon Edwards and Kellen Winslow, or even Donte Stallworth? Do they have offensive lines like ours? Hell no. Greg Camarillo is Pennington's best receiver! Brees is throwing to Meachem, Moore, Henderson and Billy Miller while Shockey and Colston are/were hurt for crying out loud!

If Brady Quinn falters, I'd be SHOCKED.

I can't imagine why anyone would think that switching from DA to Quinn is something that isn't warranted.

DA hasn't strung together 2 good games in over a YEAR!

Flat out great stuff!!!!

1. His QB rating for the season is 68.9, despite only having been sacked 11 times. Big Ben has been sacked 26 times.

2. His QB rating against the AFC North is 53.3, the most important division we play against.

3. His QB rating against the AFC as a whole is 60.7.

4. His completion rate is 49.8 for the season, ranking him 57th in the NFL among QB who have taken a snap. He's right up there with Jamarcus Russell and below Tyler Thigpen and Tarvaris Jackson. Oh, and a guy named Charlie Frye.

5. Anderson is the lowest rated QB in the league with over 200 pass attempts.

6. Anderson has 1454 passing yards after 8 games. That's 181.8 yards per game. Charlie Frye-esque.

7. Against teams with better than .500 records this year, his QB rating is well under 75.

8. He has had a fumble in every game this season except one.

9. In his 5 December games last year he had a 66.6 QB rating. That means he has had a QB rating averaging below 69 for the last 13 games. That's nearly a full season of suckage in a row.

10. When the opponent is tough or there are expectations on his performance, he cracks under the pressure. His QB rating against good teams or in games we needed to win are abysmal. Arizona 71.6, Buffalo 57.1, New England 59, Oakland 57, San Francisco 75.4, Seattle 75, Pittsburgh 45 this year and 75 last year in one game, Redskins 58, Baltimore twice for 49.9... that's a lot of bad QB ratings and alot of bad games.

11. He gets into arguments with his teammates on the field and sidelines almost every game. He is losing the team quickly.

12. Against the AFC North he is averaging 162 yards per game this year.

13. His yards per attempt is 6.0. The average QB with any success is above 7.0. Drew Brees is at 8.4, Kurt Warner 8.2, Ben Roeth 7.1, even Joe Flacco is at 6.7!!!! DA is tied with Kerry Collins at 6.0.

14. His QB rating in the 4th quarter is 64.8.

15. His QB rating with 2 minutes left in a half is 13.2!!!!!!!

16. His QB rating when leading in a game is 83.5, but when we're losing, it's 57. So he wont be helping us once we lose the lead - no comebacks here.

17. His QB rating on third down is 51.2. Throwing the ball at the ground on purpose would give you a 39.7 rating.

18. His Yards per Attempt drops to 5.2 on third downs. Third and long is more than 5.2 yards. Say hello 3-and-out.

19. His completion rate on 3rd down is 43.4%.

20. His QB rating on third down and anything longer than 8 yards is 35.2

21. His QB rating on third down and 3-7 yards is 69.6.

22. His QB rating on 3rd and over 10 yards is 7.5 lol

Of course, Not all of the above can be 100% blamed on DA.

But when you complete half your passes, you're looking at pretty bad odds against going three-and-out on any given series.

He's not clutch, as the stats show. He seems to choke when we need him to come up big (see last week at Baltimore, see last season at Cincinnati when we needed a win to clinch the playoffs, see any Pittsburgh game), the Redskins game,etc.

He has the 4th most fumbles by a QB in the league.

He's in the bottom 5 starting QBs in the league in alot of different categories.

Take away the Giants game and all of his stats drop even lower.

Quarterbacks that have better QB Ratings than Derek Anderson include:

Chad Pennington, Kyle Orton, Jeff Garcia, Matt Cassel, Gus Frerotte, Jamarcus Russell, Jon Kitna, Kerry Collins, JT O'Sullivan, Dan Orlovsky, Joe Flacco... don't tell me you would have wanted ANY of these guys starting for the Browns before this season. Half of the above have already lost their starting jobs or WERE backups that took over for injured starters.

How bad is DA's completion percentage of 49.8%? Kurt Warner is completing 69.9% of his passes. That's twenty percent more. Brees, 69.1%. Pennington, 67.4%. Orton is even at 61.9%. Flacco 61.8! Matt Ryan, 58.6! DAN ORLOVSKY, 56%!!!!! Would you rather have a 49.8% chance to complete a 3rd down pass or 69.9% chance? Or even a 56% chance? Orlovsky is a BACKUP on the Lions and his percentage puts DA to shame. Frerotte, 57.6%, another backup. OSullivan, another backup at 58.4%. Griese 57.1%.

Why should we be OKAY with a LESS-THAN BACKUP CALIBER STARTER?

Who does Drew Brees throw to? Who does Chad Pennington throw to? Do they have big name receivers like Braylon Edwards and Kellen Winslow, or even Donte Stallworth? Do they have offensive lines like ours? Hell no. Greg Camarillo is Pennington's best receiver! Brees is throwing to Meachem, Moore, Henderson and Billy Miller while Shockey and Colston are/were hurt for crying out loud!

If Brady Quinn falters, I'd be SHOCKED.

I can't imagine why anyone would think that switching from DA to Quinn is something that isn't warranted.

DA hasn't strung together 2 good games in over a YEAR!

He threw downfield all the time at ND. The more he gets comfortable, the more it'll happen.

has a 49.8 completion rate (33rd in the league)

5.98 yards per attempt (30th)

9 touchdowns in eight games (tied for 14th)

7 interceptions (tied for eighth highest)

a rating of 68.9 (31st), which is ahead of only Tyler Thigpen of Kansas City, Ryan Fitzpatrick of Cincinnati, Brian Griese of Tampa and Matt Hasselbeck of Seattle.

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have you seen any separation by the other receivers? are the other receivers open

Yes, I have seen other receivers open and get enough seperation. I have also seen DA go to them sometimes but poorly miss them.

Do you believe if Jamal had more success running more passing lanes would be open?

Possibly. It would get 8 men out of the box. Especially if swings, PA, and screens could be run successfully. Plus, there were several people (Lummy looking at you) that gave DA credit for Lewis having success last season.

The offensive lines run blocking has not been very good

It has struggled and also looked good at the same time. Even take the BALT game (and no one runs on them). There were times where Lewis got them for 6-7 yards a carry. Then they came in the box and DA couldn't beat the 3rd and 4th string DB.

What adjustments did you see Chud make in the Ravens or Redskins game?

More playaction, screens, and swing passes. Just a couple of examples.

Let me ask this, do you think this team is better than the one in 05' and 06'? If so, why is it Frye could complete a higher percentage of passes than DA?

Frye was a dink and dunk passer afraid to throw the ball downfield, who could not complete 60% of their passes when all you threw were quick slants and dump off passes to Winslow

Charlie Frye is a terrible qb who still would have been the starter last season if he had not been traded, which shows Romeo could not evaluate a qb if a big mac depended on it

Ahh but the thinking of some is, what if Quinn can take a little of Frye and a little of DA and bring that skill set to the offense? Hopeful? sure. Likely? who knows.

The point is, the Browns were never going to win anythign with Frye at the helm, likewise, it's been proven they aren't going to win anything with DA at the helm. So it's time to give Quinn his shot. If he "falls flat on his face" as RAC said, well then yes, we're all screwed. But fearing what COULD happen is no reason to settle for what is happening.....

I love too how that RAC quote is spun out of context. Those that like to throw that out should listen to what he said after it.

DA is just to scatter armed and his inaccuracy lets DB's play off the receivers and still get back in time to make plays. And it eliminates the short game where accuracy is essential. You can miss a long pass by a yard or two and the receiver can adjust...but on short passes it has to be accurate or the receiver can't get to it.

DA has had 16 games to adjust to the short game...and he still misses it. He still overthrows/underthrows/misthrows on a regular basis which allows defenses to crowd the middle of the field (like I said, it may not be 8 in the box, but kills the lanes just the same) because they don't have to respect he screen or swing pass.

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have you seen any separation by the other receivers? are the other receivers open

Yes, I have seen other receivers open and get enough seperation. I have also seen DA go to them sometimes but poorly miss them.

Do you believe if Jamal had more success running more passing lanes would be open?

Possibly. It would get 8 men out of the box. Especially if swings, PA, and screens could be run successfully. Plus, there were several people (Lummy looking at you) that gave DA credit for Lewis having success last season.

The offensive lines run blocking has not been very good

It has struggled and also looked good at the same time. Even take the BALT game (and no one runs on them). There were times where Lewis got them for 6-7 yards a carry. Then they came in the box and DA couldn't beat the 3rd and 4th string DB.

What adjustments did you see Chud make in the Ravens or Redskins game?

More playaction, screens, and swing passes. Just a couple of examples.

Let me ask this, do you think this team is better than the one in 05' and 06'? If so, why is it Frye could complete a higher percentage of passes than DA?

Frye was a dink and dunk passer afraid to throw the ball downfield, who could not complete 60% of their passes when all you threw were quick slants and dump off passes to Winslow

Charlie Frye is a terrible qb who still would have been the starter last season if he had not been traded, which shows Romeo could not evaluate a qb if a big mac depended on it

True on Frye. But those same throws are there and guys open. DA can't make them. Teams play deep and take away the deeper throw, where DA can only be successfull (passes over 10-15 yards). That is where I am going with that. There is no excuse for completing less than 50% of your passes as a starter in the NFL. Even if you are throwing to walk ons.

Frye ended up a bad QB. And he might have still been the QB if not moved. But CLE was right back there this year. The only difference was DA would show up to play every other game, or 1 quarter a game.

DA isn't the only woe on the offense, but the O always starts at the QB. When I see confusion from a QB in the two minute drill (including not knowing what to do and having to go to the sideline to ask), I have to question and think the same issues exist on other plays.