@dutch-oven said:

Really? 

You and I aren't able to make decisions for a NFL franchise? 

@dutch-oven said:

Really? 

You and I aren't able to make decisions for a NFL franchise? 

Above my pay grade!   

@the-gipper said:

I don't know, that is not my decision, nor yours. 

Really? 

You and I aren't able to make decisions for a NFL franchise? 

@dutch-oven said:

So when they go 7-9. heads should roll, right?

I don't know, that is not my decision, nor yours. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/brownswire.usatoday.com/2020/04/30/rashard-higgins-changes-his-jersey-number-to-82/amp/

2019 Baker 7-8 Win team with some sound defeats. 

We had some close loses last year before the wheels fell off on defense and that was a 6 win team.  

@the-gipper said:

Based on the talent on this team, that does not sound unreasonable. 

So when they go 7-9. heads should roll, right?

@dutch-oven said:

So we all should be expecting a 10-6 or 11-5 season in 2020 since Freddie is gone, since that is what we all were calling for last season, until Freddie fucked it up, right? 

Based on the talent on this team, that does not sound unreasonable. 

@dutch-oven said:

So we all should be expecting a 10-6 or 11-5 season in 2020 since Freddie is gone, since that is what we all were calling for last season, until Freddie fucked it up, right? 

1)  Fortunately, the team is now over that big headedness.

2)  Obviously, we are in super strange times right now.  The teams that have new coaching regimes I feel could be exceptionally stunted in their growth this year.  Unless this season is scrapped totally and we have ANOTHER draft before starting play in 2021.  Then teams will have lots of new players and will have been away from the game long enough to level things out for us.  (of course, I'm hoping we have football this year)

3)  Actually, why shouldn't we expect to win a bunch of games?  Our coaches & QB have a lot of talent around them on offense right now.  If the QB and coaches are worth keeping, then we should win games.  Even if Baker turns out to suck, Case K should be able to win games with our offensive guys.

@the-gipper said:

Not all, most though.   And I am right to do so.

So we all should be expecting a 10-6 or 11-5 season in 2020 since Freddie is gone, since that is what we all were calling for last season, until Freddie fucked it up, right? 

@dutch-oven said:

Yeah, the OLine last season wasn't good, but it was nowhere as bad as Mayfield apologists tried to make it. 

It actually wasn't. As a matter of fact  I saw many plays where the OL pass protected well and some where they really rush blocked in a solid manner. 

@the-gipper said:

Not all, most though.   And I am right to do so.

Definitely A LOT of what ails them in 2020 was Freddie. But how about some blame on who made him HC? Was it Dorsey or Mr. Jimmy?

@nero said:

He was talking about what was going on between Higgins and the coach/locker room/owners whatever. We don't know that. We know Freddie was over his head. 

We surely know that!

@dutch-oven said:

Yes, we are all very aware that you blame all that ailed the Browns in 2019 on Freddie Kitchens. 

Not all, most though.   And I am right to do so.

@dutch-oven said:

blame all that ailed the Browns in 2019 on Freddie Kitchens. 

During the season, when most were blaming Freddie, I was not.  I mean, the players have to execute the play(s).  But after the season when it came out that after the first drive Freddie went way off script, I understood.  He started calling plays that they hadn't been rehearsing...so they were rusty on those plays...and thus some of 'em failed miserably.  Like, the other team wound up with the ball...or we had to punt.

@the-gipper said:

But, the coaching, play calling WAS as bad as people tried to make it.  OL play suffered equally as bad as Baker did. 

If Stefanski et al are what we hope/expect him to be, you should see a vast improvement in Baker...and in the entire offense. 

Yes, we are all very aware that you blame all that ailed the Browns in 2019 on Freddie Kitchens. 

@dutch-oven said:

Yeah, the OLine last season wasn't good, but it was nowhere as bad as Mayfield apologists tried to make it. 

But, the coaching, play calling WAS as bad as people tried to make it.  OL play suffered equally as bad as Baker did. 

If Stefanski et al are what we hope/expect him to be, you should see a vast improvement in Baker...and in the entire offense. 

@sdbacker80 said:

Way too many expect Olineman to hold blocks forever.  

the problem last year was just as much if not more to the fact that we had a brain dead play caller and a QB that held the ball too long.  

Yeah, the OLine last season wasn't good, but it was nowhere as bad as Mayfield apologists tried to make it. 

@flugel said:

Wyatt Teller, who improved the spot quite a bit when he joined us.  That said, Ellen Degeneres could have improved it.

Forbes also 

@orion said:

Well, Hubbard has been signed on as depth.  I'm not sure how much that counts however.

Well.... he did start in front of someone. So there's that...

@dutch-oven said:

I know there has been complaints that OLinemen in the last decade have struggled coming into the NFL even more than usual, because of the offenses most colleges run. 

A lot of college OLinemen aren't real hip to one-on-one straight up I'm going to pound your ass into the ground blocking. 

Way too many expect Olineman to hold blocks forever.  

the problem last year was just as much if not more to the fact that we had a brain dead play caller and a QB that held the ball too long.  

@dutch-oven said:

I'd be somewhat surprised if he's a starter this season unless there's a rash of injuries, but who are the candidates for the RG spot? 

Wyatt Teller, who improved the spot quite a bit when he joined us.  That said, Ellen Degeneres could have improved it.

@the-gipper said:

Nick Harris could also be depth.   If he isn't Austin Corbett  redux. 

I'd be somewhat surprised if he's a starter this season unless there's a rash of injuries, but who are the candidates for the RG spot? 

@orion said:

Well, Hubbard has been signed on as depth.  I'm not sure how much that counts however.

Nick Harris could also be depth.   If he isn't Austin Corbett  redux.