@brownsfaninpa said:

Here is how I look at the career's of NFL's winning coaches. If your going to base a coach on most games won per season, that includes all playoff and Super Bowls , then you have to include the coaches from the earliest years. There was no Super Bowls prior to 1967. So the highest level a team can earn is the NFL CHAMPIONSHIP. and back in those early years, they only played 12-14 games. So if you took George Halas, Paul Brown, Vince Lombardi, Tom Landry, Don Shula, Chuck Noll, and Bill Bellicheck's total career win's, only the top 4 coaches with most wins should be honored as a member on Mt. Rushmore. 

Didn't you just sort of contradict yourself?    You conclude by saying that only  those with the most wins, including postseason, should be on Mt. Rushmore.......but then you preface it by acknowledging that in early years,  they only played  12-14 games per season.    Plus, recall that prior to 1966 (not 1967) ....there was only ever one single postseason game played...the NFL or AFL championship game.  So now, a team (coach)  can win as many as 3-4 playoff games in a single season....which obviously would ramp up the number of postseason wins current coaches make. 

You seem to be touting just the "most total wins"  as the criteria.  What about "best winning pct."  Equally as viable, wouldn't you say?   That would put  Guy Chamberlain, John Madden and George Allen on the mountain (along with Lombardi).    But, of course, I think the analysis has to go beyond either of those statistics...though they are both heavy factors. 

@bob806 said:

BB was/is a PR nightmare and when he cut Kosar, it riled up our fan base. 

Yet, he managed to put together a solid defense and was well on his way to doing great things here until Art destroyed it. 

He's won with defense, and he's won letting Brady throw 50+times. He's the master of salary cap football.

While I wouldn't expect the Pats in the SB this season, I wouldn't count them out of the playoffs. 

as i have said I was at the 50 front row in Seattle the week after Bernie was let go and trust me I didnt shut up the entire game cussing at Bill (we got are ass's kicked) bill turned around a few time's disgusted with me 

but you know I am not that kind of sports fan and was pissed at myself for acting that way and all ways wanted to apologize But damnit I was pissed 

@the-gipper said:

Not in his pro coaching term. 

of course - I meant college. He was one of the greatest college coaches.

@calfoxwc said:

crap. I forgot Lou Holtz - he is also one of the great ones.

Not in his pro coaching term. 

@the-gipper said:

Lou Holtz was a failure in the Pros.

crap. I forgot Lou Holtz - he is also one of the great ones.

Is there anyone out there now who could go from having won a college title to going pro and giving it a run?

Some guys have tried a hand at it, and failed badly:    Steve Spurrier,  Chip Kelly,   Nick Saban,  John McKay, Bud Wilkinson, Frank Kush

I think Chuck Fairbanks gave the NFL a shot. 

John Robinson won title at USC,  and did coach the Rams fairly well for some years.

Lou Holtz was a failure in the Pros.

Dennis Erikson,  coached Seahawks for a while....not that well if I recall. 

Another that came close:    Bobby Ross.   Won national title with Ga. Tech.. ...coached the Chargers to their only Super Bowl appearance.

Could potentially national championship coaches  the likes of Urban Meyer,  Dabo Sweeney, ...Ed Orgeron?   be tempted to give the Pros a try, ala Spurrier et al? 

@calfoxwc said:

so, If I only could pick two of the greatest pro football head coaches of all time - I'd take Paul Brown and Tom Landry.

Similarly, I'd pick Ara Parseghian, Woody Hayes, Bear Bryant....as the greatest college head coaches.

lists are subjective - sure.

I know - Knute Rockne - is on the list, but that was before my time. I'm not that old, so....

Interesting  trivia:     What coaches have won both  a College National Championship,  and a Pro football championship.  Off the top of my head there is:

Paul Brown

Pete Carroll

Jimmy Johnson,  I believe

Anyone else?

Edit....Ah!  Barry Switzer also. 

Some others may have come close, doing fairly well at both levels if not actually winning a title in both,   like Dick Vermeil,  Bill Walsh,   Jim Harbaugh, Don Coryell. 

@dutch-oven said:

Moderators must have deleted it... Weird. 

Very Trumpish of you. 

Similarly, I'd pick Ara Parseghian, Woody Hayes, Bear Bryant....as the greatest college head coaches.

lists are subjective - sure.

I know - Knute Rockne - is on the list, but that was before my time. I'm not that old, so....

@calfoxwc said:

His high school teams lost only 10 games in 11 seasons. He was then hired at Ohio State University and coached the school to its first national football championship in 1942. After World War II, he became head coach of the Browns, who won all four AAFC championships before joining the NFL in 1950.

Paul Brown is always on the list - he truly was the greatest of all time.  I also think Tom Landry was right up there, too - I always did.

"Thomas Wade Landry (September 11, 1924 – February 12, 2000) was an American professional football player and coach. He was the first head coach of the Dallas Cowboys in the National Football League (NFL), a position he held for 29 seasons.

Thomas Wade Landry (September 11, 1924 – February 12, 2000) was an American professional football player and coach. He was the first head coach of the Dallas Cowboys in the National Football League (NFL), a position he held for 29 seasons. During his coaching career, he created many new formations and methods, such as the now popular 4–3 defense, and the "flex defense" system made famous by the Doomsday Defense squads he built during his tenure with the Cowboys. His 29 consecutive years from 1960 to 1988 as the coach of one team is an NFL record,^[1] along with his 20 consecutive winning seasons, which is considered to be his most impressive professional accomplishment."

In addition to his record 20 consecutive winning seasons from 1966 to 1985, Landry won two Super Bowl titles (in Super Bowl VI and XII^[2]), five NFC titles, and 13 divisional titles. He compiled a 270–178–6 record, the fourth-most wins all-time for an NFL coach, and his 20 career playoff victories are the second most of any coach in NFL history. Landry was also named the NFL Coach of the Year in 1966 and the NFC Coach of the Year in 1975.

"The Great Innovator

Landry developed the now-popular "4-3 defense" while serving as Giants defensive coordinator.^[9] It was called "4-3" because it featured four down lineman (two ends and two defensive tackles on either side of the offensive center) and three linebackers — middle, left, and right. The innovation was the middle linebacker. Previously, a lineman was placed over the center. But Landry had this person stand up and move back two yards. The Giants' middle linebacker was the legendary Sam Huff.

Landry built the 4-3 defense around me. It revolutionized defense and opened the door for all the variations of zones and man-to-man coverage, which are used in conjunction with it today. —Sam Huff^[10]

When he came to Dallas, Landry refined the 4-3 even further, specifically to counter Lombardi's "run to daylight" strategy. Lombardi's offense was built around sending the running back through any open space, rather than a specific assigned hole. Landry reasoned that the best counter was a defense that blotted out the daylight.^[11] The result was the "Flex Defense," which assigned the defenders specific areas of the field to cover. When Landry first implemented it in 1964, fans were initially mystified when they saw the Cowboys defense not swarming to the ball. However, the skeptics were won over when ball carriers invariably ran right into the arms of one of Landry's defenders.^[12] The Flex Defense worked so well that Landry had to create an offense to score on it, one which disguised an otherwise simple play with multiple formations.^[13]"

From 1966 to 1982, a span of 17 years, Dallas played in 12 NFL or NFC Championship games. Furthermore, the Cowboys appeared in 10 NFC Championship games in the 13-year span from 1970 to 1982. Leading the Cowboys to three Super Bowl appearances in four years between 1975 and 1978, and five in nine years between 1970 and 1978, along with being on television more than any other NFL team, resulted in the Cowboys receiving the label of "America's Team", a title Landry did not appreciate because he felt it would bring on extra motivation from the rest of the league to compete with the Cowboys. He was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1990"

@the-gipper said:

Not in any post that I see on this thread.    Picking them in your brain doesn't really reveal anything to the rest of us. 

Moderators must have deleted it... Weird. 

@dutch-oven said:

Gipper can't put Belichick on this Mount Rushmore because his blatant homerism won't allow it.

No, I just think the guys I chose are better. 

He'll ramble on and on and on in response to this, which I'm not going to even bother to respond to, but what I just said is true. 

No, I just think the guys I chose are better. 

@dutch-oven said:

I already did. 

Not in any post that I see on this thread.    Picking them in your brain doesn't really reveal anything to the rest of us. 

@mld-woody said:

Exactly. Completely true. 

Yes,  I do Exhibit blatant homerism.   I will demonstrate:   FUCK  MICHIGAN!!  

And where are YOUR choices?   No, never mind.  I know that you don't know enough about the history of the game to have a proper choice.   You would probably choose like just Jim Harbaugh and Bieline.....

@the-gipper said:

When are you going to show your work and pick your group?

I already did. 

@mld-woody said:

Exactly. Completely true. 

if you can't argue vs the content, you go woodypeckerhead, even over here?

pretty trash. I just gave facts, and sure enough, you go back to it again?

egad. If a post is wrong, explain why it is, don't just bitch as usual.

He has a place in my Mt Rush.

@dutch-oven said:

Gipper can't put Belichick on this Mount Rushmore because his blatant homerism won't allow it.

He'll ramble on and on and on in response to this, which I'm not going to even bother to respond to, but what I just said is true. 

Exactly. Completely true. 

@dutch-oven said:

Yeah, I can't take someone seriously who calls themselves an adult but uses words like "hugely" and refers to people as "Buttheadcheck". 

Some of you should be forced to show your work on here to your better halves. How embarrassing that would be. 

When are you going to show your work and pick your group?

Some of you should be forced to show your work on here to your better halves. How embarrassing that would be.