@hoorta said:

Nope, it's exactly  what a lot of the MAGA minions are doing Cal, too bad you're totally blind to see it. Or why do you think some Democrats compare  him to Hitler? You think they're all nuts too? (why, of course you do) 

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    Thank goodness you are an independent - at least you have a sense of humor. We keep saying - I don't like his tweets, or even his personality. But as a REAL AMERICAN, he is doing GREAT WONDERFUL ACTIONS FOR OUR COUNTRY. So, REAL AMERICANS are doing the exactly opposite.

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I don't give Trump straight Fs- I've said it before. He's a C- president in my book, and I'm as entitled to my opinion as you are to yours. Sorry if I happen to disagree with 75% of the stuff you just mentioned. I'm not about to get into a point by point of what I don't like, and why- it would be 100% futile for me to even start, and a total waste of time. Starting with Global Warming- see what I mean? 

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    If you can't defend it, you must amend it. lol It's amazing - every single liberal can NOT justify their opposition to Pres Trump point by point. Global warming? Well, we can disagree on MMGW, but the merits for America with the Kyoto Treaty and Paris Accord are NONE.

     You mention mmgw as a bad thing you disagree with. How about ONE GREAT thing you agree with?' Sorry, but it certainly SOUNDS like you Pres Trump haters are going on cult of personality to me.

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Unlike you Cal- I don't live in the past- Obama is who he is\was. I may have disliked him even more than I don't care for Trump. As Gorka said, the pendulum swung in the other direction when Trump got elected, and it's about to swing back the other way. Go believe those Red State polls. My private polls say Trump is in deep shit come November.

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   "meet me ......in November....." lol. I don't live in the past at all. I live in the present with a solid understand of historical trends. You STILL won't criticize obaMao commie, eh? ah well. But obaMao is NOT "in the past". Just the other day he was interfering AGAIN with Pres Trump's presidency. and what he knew, when he knew it, and all he did - is unraveling right now.

Here- this is LAST MONTH:

Barack Obama Complains Again: Donald Trump Failing to ...

Since you brought up the Constitution- I've seen some stuff from the other side where the 25th Amendment should be invoked to get Mr. Lysol back to golfing at Mar a Lago where he belongs. 

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     Of course you did, you silly Hoorta. The left is grabbing any any straw on the planet to try to stop the undoing of their grand socialist "transformation" of our country - to where all illegals vote for them and they win every single election everywhere, and they will have total power and get rid of our CONSTITUTION/BILL OF RIGHTS. Because they believe their big all powerful gov will give them permanent control and all the dicktatorial power and wealth they could ever want.

Sorry, but all I see is hate that cannot be justified through rational explanation. That tells me that is is strictly an emotional reaction to you and others not liking his personality.

  I don't like his personality before he started running for president...but he convinced me he was going to BE A GREAT AMERICAN PRESIDENT, he SAID WHAT HE WOULD DO, and by golly, we LOVE IT BECAUSE HE IS KEEPING HIS PROMISES.

   You'd do better to list what actions you hate about him, instead of complaining about sun tan booths, his orange skin, his tweets. Those things are a good bit dumb - but they don't hurt our country, Hoorta.

   And that's a FACT,. Jack.

@hoorta said:

Just tried to point out Steve- their view of Trump's support isn't quite as cracked up as they imagine it to be. Oh, they've mentioned a dozen times or so DT's massive accomplishments. Which in turn makes them very happy, because it's what they want\like. 

BUT The Cult of Personality started with Kennedy, and in my POV- it's totally out of control now in regards to the current occupant of the White House. You either love him or hate him, largely because of his personality. They just don't get there's the possibility of 50 Shades of Gray. (which I never watched BTW because of my religious convictions)  The way Left has their own reasons why, but I don't necessarily agree with that stuff either. It's a double standard- it's perfectly ok to hate Obama or Hillary in particular, and the Democrats in general- but if you don't love Trump and his agenda, there's something wrong with you.  They may say that's not the case, but it sure as hell is, considering all the flack I've taken in the past couple months.  OTOH, I think there's something wrong with them.    

Yes that Cult thing has been around at least since Kennedy probably before because of our age that's about as far back as our serious memory goes. But don't forget that the hatred of a politician is a cult as well. Remember how bad we hated Nixon when we were kids? Now I can't really understand the big deal. But the love of Obama looks like every bit a cult to me and to a lesser extent the love of a handful of females and Hillary. And remember that in a purely political forum people are going to be forced to the edges of their beliefs. We've been over the issues before. Whether or not I think Donald Trump or Joe Biden are assholes I will make my decision on the basis of which of those guys at least pretends to agree with me.

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MAGA folks are no dumber than the ones who hate the guys guts. 

PS I never saw Fifty Shades of Grey nor did I read the book just because I hate softcore porn and every description of it seems like I would despise it. On the other hand I would certainly audition for the male lead if they were producing a stage version and I was opposite Salma Hayek Paula Abdul or Snooki

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WSS

@calfoxwc said:

baloney. They cult of personality is exactly what you folks are doing, Hoorta.

Nope, it's exactly  what a lot of the MAGA minions are doing Cal, too bad you're totally blind to see it. Or why do you think some Democrats compare  him to Hitler? You think they're all nuts too? (why, of course you do)  I don't give Trump straight Fs- I've said it before. He's a C- president in my book, and I'm as entitled to my opinion as you are to yours. Sorry if I happen to disagree with 75% of the stuff you just mentioned. I'm not about to get into a point by point of what I don't like, and why- it would be 100% futile for me to even start, and a total waste of time. Starting with Global Warming- see what I mean? 

Unlike you Cal- I don't live in the past- Obama is who he is\was. I may have disliked him even more than I don't care for Trump. As Gorka said, the pendulum swung in the other direction when Trump got elected, and it's about to swing back the other way. Go believe those Red State polls. My private polls say Trump is in deep shit come November.

Since you brought up the Constitution- I've seen some stuff from the other side where the 25th Amendment should be invoked to get Mr. Lysol back to golfing at Mar a Lago where he belongs. 

@hoorta said:

Just tried to point out Steve- their view of Trump's support isn't quite as cracked up as they imagine it to be. Oh, they've mentioned a dozen times or so DT's massive accomplishments. Which in turn makes them very happy, because it's what they want\like. 

BUT The Cult of Personality started with Kennedy, and in my POV- it's totally out of control now in regards to the current occupant of the White House. You either love him or hate him, largely because of his personality. They just don't get there's the possibility of 50 Shades of Gray. (which I never watched BTW because of my religious convictions)  The way Left has their own reasons why, but I don't necessarily agree with that stuff either. It's a double standard- it's perfectly ok to hate Obama or Hillary in particular, and the Democrats in general- but if you don't love Trump and his agenda, there's something wrong with you.  They may say that's not the case, but it sure as hell is, considering all the flack I've taken in the past couple months.  OTOH, I think there's something wrong with them.    

baloney. They cult of personality is exactly what you folks are doing, Hoorta.

I don't understand why you think it's on the other foot.

Ignoring all obaMao did WRONG, which was nearly everything, but he was pretty and talked nice.

Ignoring every single thing Pres Trump has done RIGHT, and constantly broken record wise - talking about his orange skin, tanning booth, stupid tweets, stupid tv show etc etc etc....

   I despise obaMao for the damage his ACTIONS DID. I defend Pres Trump because of his terrific ACTIONS HE HAS DONE AND IS DOING.

  All this snide anti-Trump crap bitching about little annoying things, and NOT ONCE, does he get any PRAISE for getting us out of the Iran deal, keeping us out of the Paris accord, trying to complete the wall, stopping runaway ILLEGAL immigration, paying attention to our VETERANS/Improving their health care/giving them rules of engagement that won't tie their hands behind their backs, putting AMERICA FIRST INSTEAD OF LAST, getting our economy roaring/bringing companies back home, improving our trade deals, DEFENDING OUR CONSTITUTION AND BILL OF RIGHTS especially our !ST AND 2ND AMENDMENTS...

the list is longer.

  name one thing obaMao did that was a great thing for America.

that is the difference.

@westside-steve said:

Anybody that thinks a politician anywhere is responsible for your success, failure, well being or happiness...  [insert euphemism for idiot]  but by the way let's say somebody is a hardcore Trump supporter. What in particular will they be disappointed to find out? Because all that matters is our individual lives and without Sean Hannity or Rachel Maddow to tell us how happy or miserable we are we would never know what who the president was.

WSS

Just tried to point out Steve- their view of Trump's support isn't quite as cracked up as they imagine it to be. Oh, they've mentioned a dozen times or so DT's massive accomplishments. Which in turn makes them very happy, because it's what they want\like. 

BUT The Cult of Personality started with Kennedy, and in my POV- it's totally out of control now in regards to the current occupant of the White House. You either love him or hate him, largely because of his personality. They just don't get there's the possibility of 50 Shades of Gray. (which I never watched BTW because of my religious convictions)  The way Left has their own reasons why, but I don't necessarily agree with that stuff either. It's a double standard- it's perfectly ok to hate Obama or Hillary in particular, and the Democrats in general- but if you don't love Trump and his agenda, there's something wrong with you.  They may say that's not the case, but it sure as hell is, considering all the flack I've taken in the past couple months.  OTOH, I think there's something wrong with them.    

@hoorta said:

They're a broken record Ag, for the time being and for my own sanity, I'll leave them in their alternate reality Trump universe. 

They'll find out soon enough all is not well outside of it. 

Anybody that thinks a politician anywhere is responsible for your success, failure, well being or happiness...  [insert euphemism for idiot]  but by the way let's say somebody is a hardcore Trump supporter. What in particular will they be disappointed to find out? Because all that matters is our individual lives and without Sean Hannity or Rachel Maddow to tell us how happy or miserable we are we would never know what who the president was.

WSS

@hoorta said:

They're a broken record Ag, for the time being and for my own sanity, I'll leave them in their alternate reality Trump universe. 

They'll find out soon enough all is not well outside of it. 

You're a smarter man than me. Been trying to play a different record for them over and over until it sinks in, but I think you are right to just leave them alone. They are living in ignorance which is a fine word to use in this case, from the root word ignore, as in to ignore the truth when it's staring them in the face. Maybe it's time to just join you on the sidelines. Wasted enough time here anyway.

Except the survival thread. I won't give up on that one. One place cal and I agree on.

@texasag1969 said:

Hmmm lot a hate coming from you there cal. Hypocritical a bit maybe?

They're a broken record Ag, for the time being and for my own sanity, I'll leave them in their alternate reality Trump universe. 

They'll find out soon enough all is not well outside of it. 

@calfoxwc said:

Tex translation:

"we hate it when you call us haters even though we refuse to admit one good/great thing that Pres Trump has done, we ignore and deny he has kept all his promises even while going to war with the commie minded msm, and organized crime political hacks by obaMao, and we hate everybody who calls us haters, even though we hate them, we call them zenophonbes, Trumpy ass kissers, low IQ followers...it isn't fair that they get to talk to us like we talk to them. They have to stop it because we say so."

about right?

Hmmm lot a hate coming from you there cal. Hypocritical a bit maybe?

@texasag1969 said:

You just don't understand the rules here Larry. First they accuse you of just being a Dem and if that fails they throw out the TDS card on you. What they can't possibly imagine in the turmpycult is that you actually think he is a worthless pile of shit based totally on his own merits. And anyone dare claiming to be a Nevertrumper then gets automatically called a RINO, which is different from the RINOtrumpies which is really where they are.

And here is a good one for you. My RINOtrumpy brother takes the virus seriously and actually now turns trumpy off when he hears him start to speak on it. This was particularly disturbing to him when the daily virus pressers were going when trumpy would just flat contradict what his experts had just said. Now you have to understand my brother is so far right that he makes John Birchers look like pansies. According to the rules of the polyboard here, he has now become just a RINO with newly contracted COVID-2020 a.k.a. TDviruS.?

Tex translation:

"we hate it when you call us haters even though we refuse to admit one good/great thing that Pres Trump has done, we ignore and deny he has kept all his promises even while going to war with the commie minded msm, and organized crime political hacks by obaMao, and we hate everybody who calls us haters, even though we hate them, we call them zenophonbes, Trumpy ass kissers, low IQ followers...it isn't fair that they get to talk to us like we talk to them. They have to stop it because we say so."

about right?

@hoorta said:

My excuse is you will go to any lengths to try and defend Trump's stupid crap- (and fail). Now by all means, try and change the subject- when I proved your logic was faulty as hell. Of course as Mr. Spock would say, your defense of Trump's current spew is "highly illogical". Bring up your Obama hatred while you're at it. It has nothing to do with Trump. You want an opposing POV?  Obama got a few cops killed? How about Trump's "Wuhan Flu" nothing to worry about folks, getting tens of thousands of Americans killed. 

If you'd like to know, my friend who posted the video from YouTube of Trump's brain dead opinion on FaceBook about the virus going away- there were 11 comments. These are all intelligent college educated folks who responded. Whoo-hoo, one is even a retired police sergeant. The result? 11-0 Trump is an embarrassing jerk, and for sure they're not all Democrats. Gee, that doesn't sit well with you MAGAs living in Trump's fantasy world? So don't count your reelection chickens before they hatch. DT is giving the Democrats plenty of DUH!! ammunition in the fall. So we got China Joe against Lysol Donald. That stupid comment alone is worth at least 100k democratic votes. 

You're 100% correct current presidential elections cater to the lowest common denominator of politics. People may have voted for Obama because he was the right color, but Trump got plenty of votes because folks who are into reality TV thought he was way cool on The Apprentice. Care to put an average IQ number on the MAGA minions?  

Here is the problem, Hoorta. Yes, bitch about Pres Trump's tweets - I agree with you. Often, they are not inspiring. But Gorka has you nailed. You can't admit ONE FREAKING GREAT thing that PRESIDENT TRUMP has done?

but you want to spend all this time raising hell about a few negatives you can't stand about him?

You want PERFORMANCE FOR AMERICA AND ALL OF US, or do you want a pretty face that talks charming bs.

For the last time - your parroting negative things about Pres Trump - it's fine. But man up and admit he IS KEEPING HIS PROMISES.

and if allegations of "liberal" "TDS" etc bug you, stop with the stupid "xenophobe" "Fox News 8 hrs a day" "kissing Trump's ass" etc etc etc.

What goes around, comes around, You haters reap what you sow.

Why complain about the negative, and refuse to admit he's keeping his promises, and EVEN under all the coup attempts, which you also won't talk about, and the HOSTILITY that no other President has ever had - he is KEEPING HIS PROMISES>

Like it or not - he and his stupid here and there tweets and orange skin is the only man to vote for to save our country from liberalism, leftwing "transformation", and organized crime all over our gov, thanks to obaMAO COMMIE.

  I wish you would bitch about the deep state as much as you get outraged over Pres Trump's tweets.

That is your reality, accept it or not. And nobody? I think, wanted Trump to win because they liked his stupid show. I didn't like Trump, ever.

   Until he started seriously talking about our problems, and our risks of another deadly, destructive term of corruption and marxism, organized crime if higgardly won.

  I voted for nasty old unlikable Trump because he wanted to save our country, and eventually, I realized he MEANT EVERY WORD OF IT.

   Pres Trump is our only chance to not go straight into social and economic and political hell, which will happen if he loses.

All this criticism of PRESIDENT TRUMP, some of it deserved, doesn't outweigh the GREAT REAL AMERICAN PROMISES HE HAS ALREADY KEPT.

  He doesn't even take a salary. Think about that.

ONE MORE TIME - NOBODY IS DEFENDING PRES TRUMP's STUPID CRAP: you all are

IGNORING THE COUP ATTEMPTS, AND YOU ARE IGNORING THE GREAT THINGS HE IS DOING AS OUR REAL AMERICAN PRESIDENT.

Ask yourself why that is. and have a nice Hoorta day !

@hoorta said:

Told ya once, told ya twice- three strikes and YOU'RE OUT. Another Gorka non sequitur I see. Just because I didn't post on the Political Forum much in previous years has zero, nada, zilch bearing on my political views.  I never voted for Obama, or Hillary either for that matter, for the last f**king time.  Obviously watching Fox and Hannity for 6-8 hours a day is starting to warp your thought processes. 

So listen up Cal for the last damn time. I was a card carrying Loyal Contributing Member of the RNC for damn near 20 years- can you say as much? (and if you haven't- you can kindly STFU now!!!!) ever since Hillary ran for Senate in 2001. Put your money where your fat mouth is. Your goofball currently in office caused me to cut them off. I'll happily support damn near any Republican who isn't nuts, and doesn't act like an asshole. So stuff it. THE END

LOL.

liberals can't take a joke, no sense of humor.  As I see it,  one slur deserves another - you accuse me and others of "kissing Trump's ass" and accuse anybody of supporting the wall of "xenophobia" etc etc etc.

   The republican party didn't leave you. You left the republican party. Over one excellent American president you don't like because of his weird personality? his stupid tweets? Tanning beds?

   And I know you didn't show up at the political forum while obaMao was in office. Why is that? EIGHT FREAKING YEARS ?

And yes I can -  I have been a registered REPUBLICAN since 1970. Or maybe 1971. My 50 years of being an official republican is greater than your 20. I've been a registered republican 2 1/2 times your ten years.

   As to your angst over Trump - he is KEEPING HIS EXCELLENT PROMISES, and WARTS AND ALL, I support THAT.

Don't like him as a person? I understand. But who else could have been tough enough to weather the dishonest, illegal coup attempts over the last going on FOUR YEARS?????

  PRESIDENT TRUMP did NOT BREAK HIS PROMISES.

obaMao commie DID break every single promise he made.

Respect Pres Trump for keeping promises - you haven't said as much.

Credit where credit is DUE? Unlikable or not,  Pres Trump is being an outstanding Real American PRESIDENT.

I've often noted - I did not like Trump pre-presidential race, either.

I respect him for being a GREAT REAL AMERICAN PRESIDENT, admit it, or schiff it.

@hoorta said:

Told ya once, told ya twice- three strikes and YOU'RE OUT. Another Gorka non sequitur I see. Just because I didn't post on the Political Forum much in previous years has zero, nada, zilch bearing on my political views.  I never voted for Obama, or Hillary either for that matter, for the last f**king time.  Obviously watching Fox and Hannity for 6-8 hours a day is starting to warp your thought processes. 

So listen up Cal for the last damn time. I was a card carrying Loyal Contributing Member of the RNC for damn near 20 years- can you say as much? (and if you haven't- you can kindly STFU now!!!!) ever since Hillary ran for Senate in 2001. Put your money where your fat mouth is. Your goofball currently in office caused me to cut them off. I'll happily support damn near any Republican who isn't nuts, and doesn't act like an asshole. So stuff it. THE END

You just don't understand the rules here Larry. First they accuse you of just being a Dem and if that fails they throw out the TDS card on you. What they can't possibly imagine in the turmpycult is that you actually think he is a worthless pile of shit based totally on his own merits. And anyone dare claiming to be a Nevertrumper then gets automatically called a RINO, which is different from the RINOtrumpies which is really where they are.

And here is a good one for you. My RINOtrumpy brother takes the virus seriously and actually now turns trumpy off when he hears him start to speak on it. This was particularly disturbing to him when the daily virus pressers were going when trumpy would just flat contradict what his experts had just said. Now you have to understand my brother is so far right that he makes John Birchers look like pansies. According to the rules of the polyboard here, he has now become just a RINO with newly contracted COVID-2020 a.k.a. TDviruS.?

I'm not through bitch slapping you.

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Are you a jew?  A racist one at that.  Fucking pig.

Hahaha, I musta touched a nerve. Pipe down DickHead. Go back to stammering, it made more sense.

@hoorta said:

My excuse is you will go to any lengths to try and defend Trump's stupid crap- (and fail).

Sorry, didn't read the rest because I couldn't get past the first sentence. Too bad you had to waste all that time, but I'm sure DieHard will get a kick out of it.

What you call defending Trump I call exposing you peoples irrational hatred in hopes of making you self aware of the fools that you are. That said, I do understand it's a futile endeavor. TDS is way to strong.

I'd love to hear about these "lengths" I go to in order to "defend Trump". You mean like the "lengths"  fucking democrats went to since the day he was elected to  try and impeach the guy?

I will not defend him if what he says or does is indefensible. His comment about POW's and John McCain was repulsive and I chastised him for it.

I don't defend his Tweeting either. 

Have I made myself clear? 

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Duhhhhh, duhhhhh, duhhh, fuckyou, duhhhhh........

We always knew you were a stammering putz  DickHead.

@gorka said:

"The lesser of two evils" played a minor part in his election. Trumps election was more about the repudiation of Obama. People were energized big time. You may not have been aware of the masses at Trump campaign rallies unseen in politics because CNN never reported them.

These rallies continued up until COVID . Hillary has been out of the picture. What's gonna be your excuse now?

I can just imagine.

My excuse is you will go to any lengths to try and defend Trump's stupid crap- (and fail). Now by all means, try and change the subject- when I proved your logic was faulty as hell. Of course as Mr. Spock would say, your defense of Trump's current spew is "highly illogical". Bring up your Obama hatred while you're at it. It has nothing to do with Trump. You want an opposing POV?  Obama got a few cops killed? How about Trump's "Wuhan Flu" nothing to worry about folks, getting tens of thousands of Americans killed. 

If you'd like to know, my friend who posted the video from YouTube of Trump's brain dead opinion on FaceBook about the virus going away- there were 11 comments. These are all intelligent college educated folks who responded. Whoo-hoo, one is even a retired police sergeant. The result? 11-0 Trump is an embarrassing jerk, and for sure they're not all Democrats. Gee, that doesn't sit well with you MAGAs living in Trump's fantasy world? So don't count your reelection chickens before they hatch. DT is giving the Democrats plenty of DUH!! ammunition in the fall. So we got China Joe against Lysol Donald. That stupid comment alone is worth at least 100k democratic votes. 

You're 100% correct current presidential elections cater to the lowest common denominator of politics. People may have voted for Obama because he was the right color, but Trump got plenty of votes because folks who are into reality TV thought he was way cool on The Apprentice. Care to put an average IQ number on the MAGA minions?  

@calfoxwc said:

where were you when obaMao commie got elected only because he was black, and lied out his rear to get elected? twice !

did you like your Obamao commie? did you like your billy clinton?

Told ya once, told ya twice- three strikes and YOU'RE OUT. Another Gorka non sequitur I see. Just because I didn't post on the Political Forum much in previous years has zero, nada, zilch bearing on my political views.  I never voted for Obama, or Hillary either for that matter, for the last f**king time.  Obviously watching Fox and Hannity for 6-8 hours a day is starting to warp your thought processes. 

So listen up Cal for the last damn time. I was a card carrying Loyal Contributing Member of the RNC for damn near 20 years- can you say as much? (and if you haven't- you can kindly STFU now!!!!) ever since Hillary ran for Senate in 2001. Put your money where your fat mouth is. Your goofball currently in office caused me to cut them off. I'll happily support damn near any Republican who isn't nuts, and doesn't act like an asshole. So stuff it. THE END

@hoorta said:

 When you get handed a lemon, make lemonade.  I've said way back Trump got elected mostly because he was the lesser of two evils, not like everyone who voted for him thought he was just wonderful.    

where were you when obaMao commie got elected only because he was black, and lied out his rear to get elected? twice !

did you like your Obamao commie? did you like your billy clinton?

Duhhhhh, duhhhhh, duhhh, fuckyou, duhhhhh........

@hoorta said:

 When you get handed a lemon, make lemonade.  I've said way back Trump got elected mostly because he was the lesser of two evils, not like everyone who voted for him thought he was just wonderful.    

"The lesser of two evils" played a minor part in his election. Trumps election was more about the repudiation of Obama. People were energized big time. You may not have been aware of the masses at Trump campaign rallies unseen in politics because CNN never reported them.

These rallies continued up until COVID . Hillary has been out of the picture. What's gonna be your excuse now?

I can just imagine.