@ballpeen said:

Leroy Kelly

The BROWNS had some pretty good running backs but you get spoiled when you grew up watching Jim Brown until you were 14 years old and then he quit football to make movies.

Ok I'm over that, sorta.  

@the-gipper said:

Supplemental survey question: who is the greatest player in the history of the Browns. Caveat: you may not name either Jim Brown or Otto  Graham  

The somewhat brief but exciting career in Cleveland of Bernie Kosar  followed by Brian Sipe.  Non quarterback maybe Clay Mathews.

You need options in life.   

@the-gipper said:

Supplemental survey question: who is the greatest player in the history of the Browns. Caveat: you may not name either Jim Brown or Otto  Graham  

Bill Willis

@dutch-oven said:

Confederate statues were indeed this nation's first participation trophies. 

They forget that it was only by virtue of the magnanimity of the Union that all those traitors were not hanged. I am of the opinion that those statues should not be destroyed but that they each should be surrounded by a dozen statues of former slaves who have broken their chains  

@unsympathetic said:

I don't understand why you have a problem with statues being pulled down.  All those statues are the ultimate participation trophy.

Confederate statues were indeed this nation's first participation trophies. 

@gorka said:

then that would make you kinda like a whining liberal dicklicker.

I don't understand why you have a problem with statues being pulled down.  All those statues are the ultimate participation trophy.

@gorka said:

Oh shut up. We do too hate the Steelers. Especially you. Spermsuckers? ...tell me again you don't hate the Steelers, g'head

If they are kinda the MAGA of the football world, then that would make you kinda like a whining liberal dicklicker.  Keep your political analogies in check here bud.

Ok I hate the Steelers and their ignorant as hell fans. I suspect you are a closet Steelers fan. 

@the-gipper said:

A few  questions/issues popped up while looking over media reports.     Give your opinions/answers:

1. A report was given that  Lamar Jackson claimed that the only reason the Ravens lost to the Titans last year was because he overlooked them, and that they would have probably won had he not taken them lightly.   What say you about this claim?

I don't know, the Titans are pretty good.

2. Another report claimed that now that the Steelers seem to be going to have Ben Roethlisberger back, apparently healthy, that the Steelers will be a juggernaut in the AFCN and the AFC overall.    What say you about this claim?

I think Ben is about done.

3. Colin Cowherd said that Joe Burrow will struggle mightily this coming year....and beyond perhaps primarily because the Bengals are such a bad organization, and that he may never live up to his potential until and unless he gets the chance to leave the Bengals.   What say you about that claim?

Could be.  The Bengals could hold him back, but they have pretty good receivers.

4. The Carolina Panthers put together survey with  a list of players that have played for that team since its inception in 1995, asking them to vote on that team's GOAT  (Greatest of All Time).   But, apparently, the Panthers left Cam Newton completely off the survey list.  What say you about that move by them?

It's their survey

5.  There could be any number of Browns subjects to ask your opinion on....but let's do this:    Give your opinion on Something, Anything  that peaks your interest  to do with the Browns  and/or their future prospects for the forthcoming season,  or beyond. 

The Steelers have been a good organization for years, and don't seem to be going anywhere anytime soon, unfortunately. 

MAGA is a blip on the radar, a skidmark on the underwear of history. Destined to be wrapped in a bag and thrown into the garbage can. 

@the-gipper said:

Actually, no, I don't think you get it at all.  We don't necessarily hate the Steelers.  We primarily hate how stupid their fans are....they are kind of the MAGA of the football world (except with more competency to root for) 

Oh shut up. We do too hate the Steelers. Especially you. Spermsuckers? ...tell me again you don't hate the Steelers, g'head

If they are kinda the MAGA of the football world, then that would make you kinda like a whining liberal dicklicker.  Keep your political analogies in check here bud.

@the-gipper said:

Berry first time in charge. Plus Stank

I'm reserving any enthusiasm for this group until I see reason for it. 

@dutch-oven said:

You mean DePodesta and Berry? 

Seems like one has been a sheriff in town for years now, and the other is on his second tour of duty. 

Berry first time in charge. Plus Stank

@the-gipper said:

Right that’s what I said in the past they have not done a proper job evaluation     now a different sheriff is in town. 

You mean DePodesta and Berry? 

Seems like one has been a sheriff in town for years now, and the other is on his second tour of duty. 

@vagitron said:

Draft stock does not define talent. Tj Watt was drafted at 30. Antonio Brown was a 5th rounder and I could go probably 30 more just off the top of my head with the steelers and other teams. There is literally zero to indicate the Browns will have a better go at developing players than the steelers. Draft stock means zero if you don't properly evaluate. 

Right that’s what I said in the past they have not done a proper job evaluation     now a different sheriff is in town. 

@calfoxwc said:

We finally have a coaching staff that drafts *football players" and not just terrific athletes on paper.

Meanwhile, go suck another egg:

You

Are

An

Idiot 

(stay on the political board where you belong with the other Mongo mouth breathers)

@the-gipper said:

I expect the Browns young players to get better because I believe they are more talented than those who were drafted by the Steelers. Simple as that. And yeah the reason they are more talented  is because the Browns have always been little higher draft station because they’ve had terrible coaches and managers. But now I hopeThat they have quality managers and quality coaches. They can’t do much worse than Freddy in the coaching box.

Draft stock does not define talent. Tj Watt was drafted at 30. Antonio Brown was a 5th rounder and I could go probably 30 more just off the top of my head with the steelers and other teams. There is literally zero to indicate the Browns will have a better go at developing players than the steelers. Draft stock means zero if you don't properly evaluate. 

@vagitron said:

Why on earth do you think the Browns players have a better chance of getting better? The reality is you change coaches more than Antonio Brown changes his hair. There is literally zero to suggest the Browns staff will have a better chance of player development no matter where the players were drafted. You expect these things to happen with the Browns but not with one of the most consistent teams in the NFL. It makes zero sense. 

I expect the Browns young players to get better because I believe they are more talented than those who were drafted by the Steelers. Simple as that. And yeah the reason they are more talented  is because the Browns have always been little higher draft station because they’ve had terrible coaches and managers. But now I hopeThat they have quality managers and quality coaches. They can’t do much worse than Freddy in the coaching box.

@vagitron said:

Why on earth do you think the Browns players have a better chance of getting better? The reality is you change coaches more than Antonio Brown changes his hair. There is literally zero to suggest the Browns staff will have a better chance of player development no matter where the players were drafted. You expect these things to happen with the Browns but not with one of the most consistent teams in the NFL. It makes zero sense. 

We finally have a coaching staff that drafts *football players" and not just terrific athletes on paper.

Meanwhile, go suck another egg:

@the-gipper said:

I didn’t see the Pittsburgh downgraded I said they didn’t upgrade anywhere except maybe tight end. By that I mean acquire talent not just get guys back from injuries that have been on the team for years or having young players develop better in their second or third year. They were already on the roster last year. Every team has young players that they expect to get better. I expect the Browns players to get better to a greater degree than young Steeler players. I expect Browns players that were injured last year to come back. But we have to face the reality that other players will get injured and lose time so that is a constant in the NFL. 

Why on earth do you think the Browns players have a better chance of getting better? The reality is you change coaches more than Antonio Brown changes his hair. There is literally zero to suggest the Browns staff will have a better chance of player development no matter where the players were drafted. You expect these things to happen with the Browns but not with one of the most consistent teams in the NFL. It makes zero sense. 

@the-gipper said:

I didn’t see the Pittsburgh downgraded I said they didn’t upgrade anywhere except maybe tight end. By that I mean acquire talent not just get guys back from injuries that have been on the team for years or having young players develop better in their second or third year. They were already on the roster last year. Every team has young players that they expect to get better. I expect the Browns players to get better to a greater degree than young Steeler players. I expect Browns players that were injured last year to come back. But we have to face the reality that other players will get injured and lose time so that is a constant in the NFL. 

I'm not going to argue. You know what you do. 

@icecube said:

Gip is a fine example of constantly "moving the goal posts." He will make an assertion that all Pgh did was downgrade all over and when it's brought to his attention that the claim wasn't true, he changes it to "I only meant in free agents." I guess the draft and players coming back from injury won't count some how. Never mind that. 

I didn’t say the Pittsburgh downgraded I said they didn’t upgrade anywhere except maybe tight end. By that I mean acquire talent not just get guys back from injuries that have been on the team for years or having young players develop better in their second or third year. They were already on the roster last year. Every team has young players that they expect to get better. I expect the Browns players to get better to a greater degree than young Steeler players. I expect Browns players that were injured last year to come back. But we have to face the reality that other players will get injured and lose time so that is a constant in the NFL.