@baconhound said:

From Social Security’s website: Under a special rule, if you’ve worked for only one and one-half years in the three years just before your death, we can pay benefits to your children and your spouse who is caring for the children.

I know of a 20 year old guy who worked for a bit over 2 years and committed suicide.  His 3 year old kids were getting $300 per month each until they were 18.  Not equitable regardless of how you slice it but keep believing it’s not a government hand out in many instances.

I’m also fairly certain individuals born with severe illness like Down Syndrome who never work a day are still eligible but I don’t have firsthand knowledge of that.

And there you go CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS not everyone...NOT A SOCIALIST PROGRAM. 

@calfoxwc said:

The one point should be made - for example - special ed kids with legit disabilities can get SS. I think it's the classification, not that their parents had to have paid in.

   On rare? examples, kids have tried to be classified special ed, so they could qualify, when they most certainly did not. School psychologists had to determine the fakers.

But it isn't socialist.

Exactly!

@baconhound said:

From Social Security’s website: Under a special rule, if you’ve worked for only one and one-half years in the three years just before your death, we can pay benefits to your children and your spouse who is caring for the children.

I know of a 20 year old guy who worked for a bit over 2 years and committed suicide.  His 3 year old kids were getting $300 per month each until they were 18.  Not equitable regardless of how you slice it but keep believing it’s not a government hand out in many instances.

I’m also fairly certain individuals born with severe illness like Down Syndrome who never work a day are still eligible but I don’t have firsthand knowledge of that.

The one point should be made - for example - special ed kids with legit disabilities can get SS. I think it's the classification, not that their parents had to have paid in.

   On rare? examples, kids have tried to be classified special ed, so they could qualify, when they most certainly did not. School psychologists had to determine the fakers.

But it isn't socialist.

I know of a 20 year old guy who worked for a bit over 2 years and committed suicide.  His 3 year old kids were getting $300 per month each until they were 18.  Not equitable regardless of how you slice it but keep believing it’s not a government hand out in many instances.

I’m also fairly certain individuals born with severe illness like Down Syndrome who never work a day are still eligible but I don’t have firsthand knowledge of that.

@baconhound said:

Not true. Minors get benefits as do the disabled who have never paid a cent.  

The Basics About Disability Benefits

The Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI) program pays benefits to you and certain family members if you are “insured,” meaning that you worked long enough – and recently enough - and paid Social Security taxes on your earnings. The Supplemental Security Income (SSI) program pays benefits to disabled adults and children who have limited income and resources.

While the Social Security and Supplemental Security Income disability programs are different, the medical requirements are the same. If you meet the non-medical requirement criteria, monthly benefits are paid if you have a medical condition that’s expected to last at least one year or result in death.

https://www.ssa.gov/benefits/disability/

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To get benefits, a child must have:• A parent who’s disabled or retired and entitled to Social Security benefits; or• A parent who died after having worked long enough in a job where they paid Social Security taxes.

https://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10085.pdf

School's out!

@vambo said:

Not everyone can get it you have to pay into it for 10 to 15 years before you are eligible unlike a socialist program everyone gets a share regardless if they pay in or not and that is a big reason it fails because people don't want to work to support everyone else.

Think it through please.

Not true. Minors get benefits as do the disabled who have never paid a cent.  

@baconhound said:

If you are healthy you will get much more than you paid in.  The government a holding and investing your money for you. It’s a government run program that returns more money than you paid in most circumstances.

” a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.”

Here is a less tailored definition of socialism that may not fit your narrative but it still quite valid.

Not everyone can get it you have to pay into it for 10 to 15 years before you are eligible unlike a socialist program everyone gets a share regardless if they pay in or not and that is a big reason it fails because people don't want to work to support everyone else.

Think it through please.

@baconhound said:

I” a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.”

which actually proves Vambo's point, yes?

@vambo said:

You pay into social security so no it's not a socialist policy, it's OK you just had a Biden moment.

If you are healthy you will get much more than you paid in.  The government a holding and investing your money for you. It’s a government run program that returns more money than you paid in most circumstances.

” a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.”

Here is a less tailored definition of socialism that may not fit your narrative but it still quite valid.

@axe said:

Bro, they didn't call it "Social" Security for nothing..

" if you don't pay in you don't take out "

Yer joking right?

" if you don't pay in you don't take out "

Yer joking right?

@axe said:

Bro, yes it is..

No it not, is it universal does everyone get the exact same amount and if you don't pay in you don't take out.  If it was a socialist policy everyone gets it and the same amount the entire point is everyone is equal in a socialist state.

@vambo said:

You pay into social security so no it's not a socialist policy, it's OK you just had a Biden moment.

Bro, yes it is..

@baconhound said:

Because Americans support socialist policies when it benefits them i.e. Social Security, Medicare, Tax Exemptions, etc.

You pay into social security so no it's not a socialist policy, it's OK you just had a Biden moment.

@baconhound said:

Because Americans support socialist policies when it benefits them i.e. Social Security, Medicare, Tax Exemptions, etc.

nope. SS and Medicare - we pay into that all our working lives. Unless you figure that they want to give it also to illegals.....

WSS

@baconhound said:

Because Americans support socialist policies when it benefits them i.e. Social Security, Medicare, Tax Exemptions, etc.

Much in the same way that goldfish will eat as much as you put in the bowl. The path of least resistance and the politics of envy is always a strong selling point. Unfortunately.

WSS