@dutch-oven said:

Also remember, it took a while before Phil Dawson became Phil Dawson, Browns kicking legend. 

...he was a legend to me in season 1.  I was quite proud of the way our ST ran out onto the field with no TO's, didn't fuck up like an expansion team, and beat the fuckin' Steelers.

November 14, 1999:  Browns at Steelers

With the clock running and no time outs, Dawson and the FG team run out and get off a 39-yard  kick just before the clock hits 0:00 to grab win 16-15 in dreaded Three Rivers Stadium.

@canton-mike said:

Yep. Phil got better with time and, as stated previously, he knew those winds like the back of his hand. He would be a great addition, but we don't know whether or not HE would be interested OR considered.

Phil didn't conquer those winds overnight, so we need to be patient with Siebert as well.

Mike  

I remember Phil had trouble from distance early in his career and I remember fans wanting a kicker with a bigger leg.  I just looked back we only attempted 9 fields over 50 in his first nine years. That changed dramatically toward the Last half of his career. He had 18 attempts in his last five years with the Browns.  

@dutch-oven said:

I'd love for Dawson to mentor Siebert...

Also remember, it took a while before Phil Dawson became Phil Dawson, Browns kicking legend. He was a guy in danger of losing his job at the beginning of his run - like most kickers. 

Yep. Phil got better with time and, as stated previously, he knew those winds like the back of his hand. He would be a great addition, but we don't know whether or not HE would be interested OR considered.

Phil didn't conquer those winds overnight, so we need to be patient with Siebert as well.

Mike  

@orion said:

Regarding Siebert and his practicing at the stadium and that he's working on his confidence (especially at the Dawg Pound end):   I would highly recommend that they bring Phil Dawson in as a consultant to work with Siebert.  Kicking in that stadium in the  swirling winds of the latter part of the season is VERY different and much more difficult than the here and now, or the early part of the season.

Phil knew how to play the winds in Cleveland better than anyone before him....and we had some pretty good kickers.  I had virtually no confidence in Siebert towards the end of last season.  The conditions can be quite confusing and I don't think he had the 'feel' for where he had to start the ball in order to have it finish within the uprights.

.....did anyone else feel that way?

I'd love for Dawson to mentor Siebert...

Also remember, it took a while before Phil Dawson became Phil Dawson, Browns kicking legend. He was a guy in danger of losing his job at the beginning of his run - like most kickers. 

Phil knew how to play the winds in Cleveland better than anyone before him....and we had some pretty good kickers.  I had virtually no confidence in Siebert towards the end of last season.  The conditions can be quite confusing and I don't think he had the 'feel' for where he had to start the ball in order to have it finish within the uprights.

.....did anyone else feel that way?

@canton-mike said:

Back to Training Camp....I enjoy Mike Priefer's pressers. The guy is straight forward & takes on all questions with some humor as well. I think a good move was made by retaining him.

Mike

Agreed! And it's rare when the Cleveland media ask's all the right questions... All during camp, I've been waiting for Grossi to ball up and ask one Question...

"Let's say Jedrick Will's goes down or just ain't ready (which could be blamed on short prep? and am fine with that..) But would Conklin be considered as your next best LT? Hubbard? Would Hubbard move back to RT? or Is Jed ahead of Hubbard at RT?"

I'm fairly certain the response would be.."We have a plan for every scenario"..  ?‍️

But this one am interested to hear ?  & a full blown wait & see...I seriously think Callahan has this question on his media list card as "Don't ask!"

Back to Training Camp....I enjoy Mike Priefer's pressers. The guy is straight forward & takes on all questions with some humor as well. I think a good move was made by retaining him.

Mike

@sdbacker80 said:

That and the next contract he could have had (Julio Jones type money) 3yr. 66m.
 

Can you imagine for a 3 year contract getting a $25M signing bonus and $64M guaranteed ?  The money floating around in the NFL is insane.

And Josh threw it all away.......

@mjp28 said:

The incredible jerk Flash Gordon had over $8M in contracts about $3.7M guaranteed with the BROWNS plus much more than that with his doobie brother JFF just go up in smoke.    https://www.spotrac.com

Amazing, huh.  

That and the next contract he could have had (Julio Jones type money) 3yr. 66m.
 

@sdbacker80 said:

That will only make up for about 1/100 of his salary lost on his own stupidity over the years 

The incredible jerk Flash Gordon had over $8M in contracts about $3.7M guaranteed with the BROWNS plus much more than that with his doobie brother JFF just go up in smoke.    https://www.spotrac.com

Amazing, huh.  

@mjp28 said:

"For the love of the game ! ".     Surprised ?  A gift from the Patriots......

Wide receiver Josh Gordon's championship ring from Super Bowl LIII, which he was gifted by the New England Patriots despite not playing in the game, has sold for $138,000 at a sports auction, according to SportsCollectorsDaily.com.

Gordon, 29, played in 12 games for the Patriots in their 2018 Super Bowl championship season but was suspended by the NFL in December of that year and missed the playoffs, which included a 13-3 victory over the Los Angeles Rams in Super Bowl LIII.

That will only make up for about 1/100 of his salary lost on his own stupidity over the years 

@orion said:

Now he can go buy some blow.

"For the love of the game ! ".     Surprised ?  A gift from the Patriots......

Wide receiver Josh Gordon's championship ring from Super Bowl LIII, which he was gifted by the New England Patriots despite not playing in the game, has sold for $138,000 at a sports auction, according to SportsCollectorsDaily.com.

Gordon, 29, played in 12 games for the Patriots in their 2018 Super Bowl championship season but was suspended by the NFL in December of that year and missed the playoffs, which included a 13-3 victory over the Los Angeles Rams in Super Bowl LIII.

@dutch-oven said:

In ex-Browns news... 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29786826/report-josh-gordon-sells-super-bowl-liii-ring-138k-auction

JFF buy it??

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29786826/report-josh-gordon-sells-super-bowl-liii-ring-138k-auction

@dutch-oven said:

Saints supposedly shopping RB Alvin Kamara. 

If i could only play "gm for a day" at the Jets or Jags   Bye! Labia Bell ?

I love that he keeps making me look like an idiot for initially not thinking much of him!

@icecube said:

Do you think those reports are accurate OR significant? This is a serious question, not rhetorical. He may not have had enough reps with the new offense to be comfortable yet. Word is (direct from coach Arians) that Brady hasn't looked comfortable in his new O either. It takes time, even for the GOAT. 

I sure hope you're right. The problem in camp is that the defense generally knows what the offense is doing (to some extent), so that's one thing. But what concerns me the most was reading about Baker sailing passes high. That's gotta be corrected or else he literally won't be able to play in the league. Can't be throwing high...especially over the middle. 

@orion said:

I like that #30.  I liked him last year.  I like him better than Hilliard.  It's not too long before we find out what a new coaching regime thinks of him / them.

   #30 D'ernest Johnson....

This Kid has a whale ? of a story from last season... "let's go fishing"  https://www.brownszone.com/2019/08/22/the-rb-and-the-sea-dernest-johnson-goes-from-working-on-fishing-boat-to-having-real-chance-to-make-browns/

@dutch-oven said:

Last night I swear I heard Grossi say that from here to the start of the season practices are closed to the media.  

nailed it! were going camp dark, the rest of the way... 

from DBN's 

@jiggins7919 said:

I keep reading about Baker Mayfield not really playing well and it's scaring me. Like...there really isn't that much time left before you go meet a playoff team. 

Do you think those reports are accurate OR significant? This is a serious question, not rhetorical. He may not have had enough reps with the new offense to be comfortable yet. Word is (direct from coach Arians) that Brady hasn't looked comfortable in his new O either. It takes time, even for the GOAT. 

@orion said:

One never knows what to expect with Njoku.  He's a roller coaster.

New-Joke-Ewwww. Wasted high draft pick. He's a clown.