As I said, we've seen the the ceiling... more than a few times with yesterday simply being the latest incident... and it was at a level where including it's proficiency in a top 10 or even 5 discussion would not be out of place if it becomes the norm rather than the exception.

@tour2ma said:

Hard sell, eh?

We've seen the ceiling... and it is plenty high enough.

So it comes down to: 1.) consistency... where there's a ways to go. And mastering 2.) complexity... which was not exactly a hallmark of Cinci's D today.

Actually the above two have a good bit of overlap since it's been struggles with complex Ds that have been the source of much of the inconsistency.

I mean, being an average starting QB still means you are in the top 15-20 QBs in the whole world.... ?

But I just do not see him progressing to being a top tier QB. Hopefully I'm wrong! 

@dutch-oven said:

Gun to my head, this game doesn't change my thought that Baker's ceiling is that of an average starting QB long-term. 

My man, he was fun to watch today. 

Hard sell, eh?

We've seen the ceiling... and it is plenty high enough.

So it comes down to: 1.) consistency... where there's a ways to go. And mastering 2.) complexity... which was not exactly a hallmark of Cinci's D today.

Actually the above two have a good bit of overlap since it's been struggles with complex Ds that have been the source of much of the inconsistency.

@jiggins7919 said:

Sure enough was! Btw, that game winner was stunning as well. It literally dropped right in the basket for the win. Unbelievable. Deep sideline throws haven't been kind to Baker but that throw was huevos grandes. 

Gun to my head, this game doesn't change my thought that Baker's ceiling is that of an average starting QB long-term. 

My man, he was fun to watch today. 

@dutch-oven said:

THAT throw was 2018 Baker.

Sure enough was! Btw, that game winner was stunning as well. It literally dropped right in the basket for the win. Unbelievable. Deep sideline throws haven't been kind to Baker but that throw was huevos grandes. 

@jiggins7919 said:

Baker missed badly on a similar throw earlier in the game. It was a vertical route that he didn't put enough air on, but that TD throw was absolutely gorgeous and Njoku made a HECK of a catch. It was literally perfect and I knew Baker was feeling it when he made that throw. 

THAT throw was 2018 Baker. 

@dutch-oven said:

Njoku is probably the best of the three for the down-the-seam route, though. 

Baker missed badly on a similar throw earlier in the game. It was a vertical route that he didn't put enough air on, but that TD throw was absolutely gorgeous and Njoku made a HECK of a catch. It was literally perfect and I knew Baker was feeling it when he made that throw. 

@nero said:

Down the seam TD catch, a play we hadn't seen for some time by our TEs as Tour pointed out... 

You'd think a team that runs as well as our does, with athletic TEs and a QB whose strength is play-action would feature this? It is surprising. 

Njoku is probably the best of the three for the down-the-seam route, though. 

@nero said:

Our TEs are playing well, and I even saw Njoku blocking well on some run plays. 

Ditto... not exactly a roadgrader, but I noted a couple nice seal blocks on the backend of ZBS calls away from him.

Plus a highlight reel TD catch...

@nero said:

Down the seam TD catch, a play we hadn't seen for some time by our TEs as Tour pointed out... 

Bryant looked awesome

@atom said:

hopefully he will show of his talents today I mean really balls out and then trade his ass lets say to the giants to get peppers back and if we have to throw in a draft pick then so be it

Down the seam TD catch, a play we hadn't seen for some time by our TEs as Tour pointed out... 

@orion said:

THIS...is a problem in Stefanski's offense.  The TE's HAVE TO block in his wide zone running attack.  Njoku is God-awful at blocking.

He's not the best but I'm pretty sure he is getting better this year. I don't have stats to support this, so I could definitely be wrong, but Njoku seems to be doing a better job. He's certainly not Hooper, but maybe he can make up for it by getting vertical (assuming Baker can actually throw to the middle). 

We're going to need him today. 

@nero said:

His rap sheet is: bad blocking

THIS...is a problem in Stefanski's offense.  The TE's HAVE TO block in his wide zone running attack.  Njoku is God-awful at blocking.

@dutch-oven said:

I know you are still working on your American lingo, but this was unintentionally hilarious! ?

That would be "rap" sheet, Nero. 

LOOOL. Thanks 

@nero said:

His rape sheet is:

I know you are still working on your American lingo, but this was unintentionally hilarious! ?

That would be "rap" sheet, Nero. 

@nickers said:

Could is the operative word here... But year in and year out we win the offseason then stink like high hell when it counts... Until they prove otherwise... This team is complete and utter garbage... They'll be lucky to win 6 games this year...

yipper......right now we are not even close to competing in our division...not even close..with all these so called super stars.....right now it appears the start of another downward spiral watching obj on the sidelines bitching it up again....lose to the bagels this weekend and look out bro.......it will be the falling apart.....they best win this game....oh and jarvis...you who bitched about how bad tannehill was....that he was the issue in miami.....you and your stupid wife complaing to the miami fo.....all i can say is that i hope tanny is saying.....how you like me now.....hahahahahaaaaaa....

I would like to keep him, but he hasn't lived up to his 1st round pick status. 

 

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/10/david-njoku-still-wants-the-browns-to-trade-him-by-the-nov-3-deadline-league-source-says.html

@jiggins7919 said:

True to a point but not to the extent San Francisco and Minnesota do it. 

In 21 personnel, center and OZ? Sure. But what about teams that are gun and IZ based?  Hawks, Eagles, Bolts, Colts, etc etc.    Every team does it to an extent.