<![CDATA[Jets Fan on Mangini]]>Jets had 41 sacks last year. What'd we have, 17? This guy is pissed the secondary didn't have a ton of sacks? Sure there are some good points in here we need to beware of, but as a whole it seems he is unwilling to give any credit to Mangini. Oh well, like the Zen Master always says: "We'll see."

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The Following is written by Wills Klein, a Jets fan who writes for the blog, Zeus of Sport

Sorry Browns fans…

As a New Yorker and rabid Jets fan, I’ve been through it all. The coaching of Parcells, Edwards and Groh has led to Sunday heartbreaks for millions of the Gang Green Faithful over the past ten years. Nothing, however, could have prepared us for the Mangini Era.

“Why on Earth is that old fart still in there?” I asked my brother.

“The most stubborn man in America just happens to be our head coach,” he replied, as we watched another wayward pass sail into the hands of an opponent.

This brief exchange took place during the 3rd quarter of the Jets’ 13-3 loss to the Seattle Seahawks in the one of the most crucial games of the season, their third defeat in four games. The Jets would go on to also lose their final game against the Dolphins, finishing the season on a 1-4 skid and missing the playoffs for the second season in a row.

The anger I felt during that five-game stretch was absolutely unbearable. My frustration, however, was not directed at whom you might think. It would be easy to blame our 39-year-old quarterback for his poor performances during these games, but it would also be incorrect. The true responsibility for the collapse falls squarely on Eric Mangini, and his incompetent coaching.

It is true that Favre’s stats during those five games (56.5% completion percentage, two touchdowns, and nine picks) were atrocious, but they are largely irrelevant. Favre was playing with a serious injury, and should have been on the bench.

Eric Mangini’s stubbornness led to the Jets’ collapse and their failure to make the playoffs.

Why would you insist on trotting out a quarterback who is not only old, but also was injured and playing poorly? The answer is simple: Mangini refuses to make adjustments. When his defensive game plan isn’t working, he doesn’t change it. When a player isn’t the right fit for the defense, he won’t replace him. His ego simply will not allow him to admit when he is wrong.

Get ready for quite a ride Cleveland…

Do you like to see blitzes? If so, you’re out of luck, Mangini hates to blitz! He loves to just sit back and let borderline players like JaMarcus Russell, Shaun Hill, and Trent Edwards have their most accurate games of the season against his team.

Mangini’s conservative defense ranked 29th against the pass last year. With a Browns team that lacks talent in the secondary, you should expect their pass defense to be one of the worst in the league in ‘09.

This is where Mangini’s stubborn nature comes in. He refuses to blitz, even when his defense is ineffective. What’s worse is that he doesn’t stick to things that do work. Here is an example:

The Jets beat the Bills last year in Week 14 because of one play. Safety Abram Elam (now a Brown) sacked J.P. Losman and forced a fumble to seal the game for the Jets. Now let me get something straight. A sack and forced fumble from a player in their secondary was unheard of with Mangini. Instead of blitzing consistently, the Jets stop being aggressive which resulted in a grand total of six sacks by the secondary during the entire ‘08 season.

From Mangenious to Mangina, Eric has had his fair share of ups and downs while sporting the green and white. With a 23-25 record during his tenure with the Jets, he showed that he should be employed as a defensive coordinator instead of as a head coach.

Also, why would George Kokinis hire someone who comes from the same background as Romeo Crennel? This makes absolutely no sense. Mangini and Crennel have each failed completely after leaving New England.

It was very clear that Bill Belichick was running the show on defense, not these two dunces.

Mangini has already made mistakes in Cleveland and the season hasn’t even started. Deciding to trade down in the draft from the 5th pick to end up with Alex Mack, Brian Robiskie, Brett Ratliff, Kenyon Coleman, and Abram Elam was a huge mistake.

Although he gained depth and players he is familiar with, these players suck, plain and simple.Why would you want an unproven and undersized quarterback, a defensive end who has 8.5 sacks in his seven-year career, and a safety who is not that talented? So many questions and one obvious answer:

Sorry Cleveland. This experiment may be ugly.

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@vegasdogg said:

Pick'em

Opponent Network Kickoff Results

Sunday, September 13 vs MINNESOTA VIKINGS FOX 1:00 PM

Sunday, September 20 @ Denver Broncos CBS 4:15 PM

Sunday, September 27 @ Baltimore Ravens CBS 1:00 PM

Sunday, October 4 vs CINCINNATI BENGALS CBS 1:00 PM

Sunday, October 11 @ Buffalo Bills CBS 1:00 PM

Sunday, October 18 @ Pittsburgh Steelers CBS 1:00 PM

Sunday, October 25 vs GREEN BAY PACKERS FOX 1:00 PM

Sunday, November 1 @ Chicago Bears CBS 1:00 PM

Monday, November 16 vs BALTIMORE RAVENS ESPN 8:30 PM

Sunday, November 22 @ Detroit Lions CBS 1:00 PM

Sunday, November 29 @ Cincinnati Bengals CBS 1:00 PM

Sunday, December 6 vs SAN DIEGO CHARGERS CBS 4:05 PM

Thursday, December 10 vs PITTSBURGH STEELERS NFLN 8:20 PM

Sunday, December 20 @ Kansas City Chiefs CBS 1:00 PM

Sunday, December 27 vs OAKLAND RAIDERS CBS 1:00 PM

Sunday, January 3 vs JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS CBS 1:00 PM

These are games the Browns should win, IMO. Green Bay & Chicago both are also not stretches.

I specifically didn't touch the 4 games between Pittsburgh and Baltimore.

I think Cleveland is better than the other 7 (Cincy 2x) teams I bolded. I think if you can split between the 4 games (Bal and Pitt), pick up a conference win against San Diego, and probably give back one of the games I highlighted, the Browns can be 10-6 again. It's possible depending on QB play, and if the defense plays like it can under Mangini's schemes.

But, that's why they play the games.

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@john_0515 said:

No way Browns are under 6 games.

Pick'em

Opponent Network Kickoff Results

Sunday, September 13 vs MINNESOTA VIKINGS FOX 1:00 PM

Sunday, September 20 @ Denver Broncos CBS 4:15 PM

Sunday, September 27 @ Baltimore Ravens CBS 1:00 PM

Sunday, October 4 vs CINCINNATI BENGALS CBS 1:00 PM

Sunday, October 11 @ Buffalo Bills CBS 1:00 PM

Sunday, October 18 @ Pittsburgh Steelers CBS 1:00 PM

Sunday, October 25 vs GREEN BAY PACKERS FOX 1:00 PM

Sunday, November 1 @ Chicago Bears CBS 1:00 PM

Monday, November 16 vs BALTIMORE RAVENS ESPN 8:30 PM

Sunday, November 22 @ Detroit Lions CBS 1:00 PM

Sunday, November 29 @ Cincinnati Bengals CBS 1:00 PM

Sunday, December 6 vs SAN DIEGO CHARGERS CBS 4:05 PM

Thursday, December 10 vs PITTSBURGH STEELERS NFLN 8:20 PM

Sunday, December 20 @ Kansas City Chiefs CBS 1:00 PM

Sunday, December 27 vs OAKLAND RAIDERS CBS 1:00 PM

Sunday, January 3 vs JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS CBS 1:00 PM

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@sisky-fringo said:

care to make a wager RIP?

over/under @ 6 games?

No way Browns are under 6 games.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/91159https://brownsboard.com/post/91159Sat, 08 Aug 2009 19:30:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Jets Fan on Mangini on Sat, 08 Aug 2009 17:14:11 GMT]]>Elmo's lucky he held onto that pass or his ass would've been running punishment laps.

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LOL

Some lighter moments.....

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/91098https://brownsboard.com/post/91098Sat, 08 Aug 2009 16:59:20 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Jets Fan on Mangini on Sat, 08 Aug 2009 16:32:33 GMT]]>This guy has no idea what he is talking about.

He is a fan of his team. Thats like us talking about Romeo and Butch Davis. When Davis took us to the playoffs he was the shit. When he didnt he was a bag of shit. Same thing with Mangini over there. And Romeo, well I'll just leave it at that.

Mangini will be great for us. And it is already starting.......

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@restinpeace said:

..........even though the roster will be 60% overturned probably by winter.

I am not following you. What do you mean 60% by winter?

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@oconrecon said:

And against that competition, the Jets team rankings in the AFC last year:

Total Yards 7th

Pass Yards 8th

Rush Yards 4th

Scoring 3rd

Touchdowns 2nd

This surprised me a bit. 3rd in scoring and 2nd in touchdowns doesn't seem like a recipe for getting fired. If Farve doesn't collapse in those last 6-7 games, then these numbers would have given him top shelf AFC numbers.

There are still a few things he'll do that'll annoy you, but I think the franchise got a significant upgrade at coach. Mangini's good, hopefully the players think so too.

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@john_0515 said:

I'm not saying Mangini was bad, because I actually liked him as a coach. He prepares well, he really does, unfortunately he plays against Bill Bellichick in our division...

And against that competition, the Jets team rankings in the AFC last year:

Total Yards 7th

Pass Yards 8th

Rush Yards 4th

Scoring 3rd

Touchdowns 2nd

This surprised me a bit. 3rd in scoring and 2nd in touchdowns doesn't seem like a recipe for getting fired. If Farve doesn't collapse in those last 6-7 games, then these numbers would have given him top shelf AFC numbers.

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@john_0515 said:

I don't think that's fair, what do we as the fans have to do with the Mangini firing?, yet I will concede in NY there's a lot of pressure to succeed.

Don't kid yourself also, there was a lot that Mangini did to hurt the team. The last 5 games of the season, right after we destroyed Tenn, the team never showed up to play. The only game we won of those 5 was by the grace of God (Jauron called a passing play, and we sacked, stripped the ball and ran it back for a TD).

That's coaching as well.

by "we" do you mean "Abe Elam"...who is now [most likely starting for] "us"?

if so, "sweet"!

and don't associate/confuse yourself with the idiot Jet fan in the OP or the other anti-Mangina idiot Jet fans Earl34 was most likely specifically referring to. he has a point, there are some real haters out there. you, on the contrary, seem like a decent 70% Jet/30% Brownie addition here.

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@restinpeace said:

We will see come the season my friend. I see 4-6 games right now. maybe 2-3 if things really go bad. Mangini has his work cut out for him.care to make a wager RIP?

over/under @ 6 games?

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@earl34 said:

Really? Even when they knew the playoffs were lost in week 17? I saw a team hustling to the end. I know that for a first-hand fact.

True, Mangini wasn't perfect but when your QB is throwing all those picks...there aren't too many teams that can win. How many receivers did he miss in Seattle? I counted four beyond twenty yards.

The players even said (Rhodes, Thomas Jones that I remember), that the team was flat towards the end. Favre did have something to do with the split in the locker room, as many of the players loved Pennington, but part of the complaints were against the coaching.

I'm not saying Mangini was bad, because I actually liked him as a coach. He prepares well, he really does, unfortunately he plays against Bill Bellichick in our division, who I'm sorry to say for Brown and Jet fans alike, is a better coach than Mangini was (record 2-5 vs BB). Mangini does come across as flat and stoic.

In the New England game in NE, we were up by double digits, were outcoached in the 2nd half, and we won because of Favre. that was the one game that we weren't going to win if we had anyone else.

I remember a poster on JI (moderator actually) saying "I don't EVER want to hear anything bad about Brett Favre again after tonight."

And then stunk the last 5 games.

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@john_0515 said:

I don't think that's fair, yet I will concede in NY there's a lot of pressure to succeed.

Don't kid yourself also, there was a lot that Mangini did to hurt the team. The last 5 games of the season, right after we destroyed Tenn, the team never showed up to play. The only game we won of those 5 was by the grace of God (Jauron called a passing play, and we sacked, stripped the ball and ran it back for a TD).

That's coaching as well.

Really? Even when they knew the playoffs were lost in week 17? I saw a team hustling to the end. I know that for a first-hand fact.

True, Mangini wasn't perfect but when your QB is throwing all those picks...there aren't too many teams that can win. How many receivers did he miss in Seattle? I counted four beyond twenty yards.

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@dawgpound3 said:

I agree completely. It's all about the execution and preparing for a game. That's what Romeo could not do well. Well, let's hope that Mangini pans out for us. After all, we can't do no worse than last year unless you are the lions, whom are the exceptions to the rule.

Overall, Mangini prepares well, except in the last 5 games last year. I'll put part of the blame on Favre's poor play, but a lot was coaching, play calling, etc. Schottenheimer also had something to do with this.

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@earl34 said:

So what this idiot would have us believe is that Eric Mangini is going to bench Brett Favre? Love him or hate him, no one is benching Brett. That's part of the package. A package, by the way, that was forced on Mangini.

Considering he played the first two years with Jerome "Can't Play Any Gap" Robertson at NT and Jonathan "Take Myself Out of the Play" Vilma....then yes, I'm impressed with his defense. His coordinator was a moron and he wanted Rob Ryan BEFORE his last season in NY but Al Davis wouldn't let him out of his contract.

Here is the key thing that I LOVE about Mangini: He will never waste time outs and he will, on at least 3-4 plays a game, force the other team into some difficult situation by dictating a formation or a tempo. As a result, the other coach will have to burn a time out or take a penalty. THAT is coaching. If you want proof, look to the New England game in NE last year. Belichick got forced into challenging an obviously correct play and he was one step ahead of Belichick all night long.

Against the Raiders, Brett Favre threw a pick with less than two minutes left. Somehow, Mangini managed the game and got the ball back in time to drive for a tying FG.

He also took his team into Tennessee and dealt them their first loss....by a LOT.

Cheer up Cleveland fans....The Jets fans are a JOKE. If the wind changes direction, they want someone fired.

I don't think that's fair, what do we as the fans have to do with the Mangini firing?, yet I will concede in NY there's a lot of pressure to succeed.

Don't kid yourself also, there was a lot that Mangini did to hurt the team. The last 5 games of the season, right after we destroyed Tenn, the team never showed up to play. The only game we won of those 5 was by the grace of God (Jauron called a passing play, and we sacked, stripped the ball and ran it back for a TD).

That's coaching as well.

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@john_0515 said:

Neither were the Patriots in 01, but they had good coaching.

I believe the NFL is a coaches league (better coaches win), unlike basketball where it's a player's league (Let's see Phil Jackson coach Oklahoma City and win a championship without Kobe).

I hope Mangini works out for you guys, and the team gels quickly and is on board with his schemes

I agree completely. It's all about the execution and preparing for a game. That's what Romeo could not do well. Well, let's hope that Mangini pans out for us. After all, we can't do no worse than last year unless you are the lions, whom are the exceptions to the rule.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/90962https://brownsboard.com/post/90962Sat, 08 Aug 2009 03:46:25 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Jets Fan on Mangini on Sat, 08 Aug 2009 03:46:09 GMT]]>So what this idiot would have us believe is that Eric Mangini is going to bench Brett Favre? Love him or hate him, no one is benching Brett. That's part of the package. A package, by the way, that was forced on Mangini.

Considering he played the first two years with Jerome "Can't Play Any Gap" Robertson at NT and Jonathan "Take Myself Out of the Play" Vilma....then yes, I'm impressed with his defense. His coordinator was a moron and he wanted Rob Ryan BEFORE his last season in NY but Al Davis wouldn't let him out of his contract.

Here is the key thing that I LOVE about Mangini: He will never waste time outs and he will, on at least 3-4 plays a game, force the other team into some difficult situation by dictating a formation or a tempo. As a result, the other coach will have to burn a time out or take a penalty. THAT is coaching. If you want proof, look to the New England game in NE last year. Belichick got forced into challenging an obviously correct play and he was one step ahead of Belichick all night long.

Against the Raiders, Brett Favre threw a pick with less than two minutes left. Somehow, Mangini managed the game and got the ball back in time to drive for a tying FG.

He also took his team into Tennessee and dealt them their first loss....by a LOT.

Cheer up Cleveland fans....The Jets fans are a JOKE. If the wind changes direction, they want someone fired.

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@restinpeace said:

The Giants game was a classic trap game. It was the silver bullet.

It wasn't reality. Yet, we continue to think this team has this amazing talent...........even though the roster will be 60% overturned probably by winter.

We stink right now. Accept that fact and hope for a better future.

I don't buy into the whole "trap game" thing, especially at the professional level. These guys are professionals and any given Sunday any team can come out and play there asses off and look like world champs. What the Browns did that Monday night may have been an apparition for the season, but under a good coaching staff, which I feel the one we have now is pretty damn good, I don't see why this team couldn't play like that consistently. And as a side note, your posts are obnoxiously pessimistic. I'd say a good 49 of your 50 posts contribute nothing to the conversation except "This team sucks". Cheer up, you football emo.

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@dawgpound3 said:

Quite the pessimistic one, eh? What is with you and your negativity. We don't have a bad team. We don't have amazing talent, but we have good talents across the board. We're middle of the road. We're not bad, but we're certainly not great.

Neither were the Patriots in 01, but they had good coaching.

I believe the NFL is a coaches league (better coaches win), unlike basketball where it's a player's league (Let's see Phil Jackson coach Oklahoma City and win a championship without Kobe).

I hope Mangini works out for you guys, and the team gels quickly and is on board with his schemes

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@restinpeace said:

We will see come the season my friend. I see 4-6 games right now. maybe 2-3 if things really go bad. Mangini has his work cut out for him.

I see 7 wins and 9 losses across the board. However, if our offense clicks, and the defense is lights out, we should go 10-6 and that's an BIG if.

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@dawgpound3 said:

Quite the pessimistic one, eh? What is with you and your negativity. We don't have a bad team. We don't have amazing talent, but we have good talents across the board. We're middle of the road. We're not bad, but we're certainly not great.

We will see come the season my friend. I see 4-6 games right now. maybe 2-3 if things really go bad. Mangini has his work cut out for him.

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@restinpeace said:

The Giants game was a classic trap game. It was the silver bullet.

It wasn't reality. Yet, we continue to think this team has this amazing talent...........even though the roster will be 60% overturned probably by winter.

We stink right now. Accept that fact and hope for a better future.

Quite the pessimistic one, eh? What is with you and your negativity. We don't have a bad team. We don't have amazing talent, but we have good talents across the board. We're middle of the road. We're not bad, but we're certainly not great.

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@john_0515 said:

Is that a realistic problem in the locker room in Cleveland, or was Kellen Winslow just opening his mouth for no reason? If it really is a problem, is it taken care of? At my academy it's a continuing problem, and a few guys have gotten mersa and have been hospitalized. I don't know if it was like that or not.

It's a bit of a ongoing problem, and I'm pretty sure Winslow wasn't just mouthing off for no reasons. And for knowing if it is taken care of, I sure hope so. Staph infections suck.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/90954https://brownsboard.com/post/90954Sat, 08 Aug 2009 03:32:40 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Jets Fan on Mangini on Sat, 08 Aug 2009 03:32:14 GMT]]>The Giants game was a classic trap game. It was the silver bullet.

It wasn't reality. Yet, we continue to think this team has this amazing talent...........even though the roster will be 60% overturned probably by winter.

We stink right now. Accept that fact and hope for a better future.

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