@neo said:

Why is it so many kickers have struggled since they moved the ball back on extra points? I see kickers make 50+ yard field goals on the regular.

Simple guess is that it's now "enough" of a kick where they have to think about it? the old extra points were such where if you gave me 20 tries I'd make at least 3-4. Especially when someone gets the yips like Seibert, the fact it's not a gimme is a mental barrier. 50+ yarders almost come with an expectation that its "okay" to miss them.

Of course, this logic is why if you ever play golf with me anything within 5 feet is a gimme. ?

@orion said:

I think that would break mathematics.

@dutch-oven said:

that they make FGs from that range at a higher rate than extra points.

I think that would break mathematics.

@neo said:

Why is it so many kickers have struggled since they moved the ball back on extra points? I see kickers make 50+ yard field goals on the regular.

The extra points are now from 32 yards out? 15 yard line, placed 7 yards back off LOS, 10 yards for the endzone = 32 yards. 

I'd be curious to see what kickers FG percentage is for field goals from 30-35 yards. I have a feeling that you might be on to something, that they make FGs from that range at a higher rate than extra points. 

@jrb12711 said:

When he double doinked

Why is it so many kickers have struggled since they moved the ball back on extra points? I see kickers make 50+ yard field goals on the regular.

@flugel said:

 Mike, I didn't draft the guy.  I just want to make sure we're not giving up on him too early is all. This has to be a record for how much time I've wasted talking about a kicker.  I'm all done with it.  I hope we've improved the position 100%.

Perhaps we need one of those long list of Browns kickers T-shirts like we had with Browns QBs.??

@canton-mike said:

ST Coaches had been working him out at 1st Energy on numerous occasions this year.

He also had ONE solid year in college..  https://www.footballdb.com/college-football/players/austin-seibert-seibe0006 

Also, check out his stats per distance. I rest my case....I am no Seibert fan.

Mike

 Mike, I didn't draft the guy.  I just want to make sure we're not giving up on him too early is all. This has to be a record for how much time I've wasted talking about a kicker.  I'm all done with it.  I hope we've improved the position 100%.

@flugel said:

Sometimes the rest of the story was already covered in the flow of discussion you didn't read. I already mentioned the missed extra points in the 1st post of page 2 of this thread. Here's a cut and paste:

Seibert had a great year in 2019 making 25 of 29 FG attempts.  The thing that puzzled me about him was as good as he was with the FGs - how does the same guy miss 5 extra point attempts?   And then he began this year missing another.  Again, how about the STs coach finding the flawed mechanic responsible for something that should be correctable in lieu of the knee jerk reaction?  

ST Coaches had been working him out at 1st Energy on numerous occasions this year.

He also had ONE solid year in college..  https://www.footballdb.com/college-football/players/austin-seibert-seibe0006 

Also, check out his stats per distance. I rest my case....I am no Seibert fan.

Mike

@canton-mike said:

As Paul Harvey would say...."Now for the REST of the story"...

He also made 25 of 30 PATs last year & missed his one & only PAT attempt THIS year.

This isn't a Parkey endorsement, just a more complete look at Seibert's performance.

Mike

Sometimes the rest of the story was already covered in the flow of discussion you didn't read. I already mentioned the missed extra points in the 1st post of page 2 of this thread. Here's a cut and paste:

Seibert had a great year in 2019 making 25 of 29 FG attempts.  The thing that puzzled me about him was as good as he was with the FGs - how does the same guy miss 5 extra point attempts?   And then he began this year missing another.  Again, how about the STs coach finding the flawed mechanic responsible for something that should be correctable in lieu of the knee jerk reaction?  

@flugel said:

The last few days of training camp?   If he was such a concern, why would they wait until the last few days of training camp to bring in a bunch of kickers that couldn't beat him out?   Again, we're talking about a guy that made 25 of 29 FGs last year so what changed so much we cut him for Cody Parkey?

As Paul Harvey would say...."Now for the REST of the story"...

He also made 25 of 30 PATs last year & missed his one & only PAT attempt THIS year.

This isn't a Parkey endorsement, just a more complete look at Seibert's performance.

Mike

@flugel said:

how about the STs coach finding the flawed mechanic responsible for something that should be correctable in lieu of the knee jerk reaction?  

I keep going back to them bringing in a bunch of kickers for the last few days of TC. 

...and I would assume that the ST coach, who was with Seibert all TC, had some input...at least I would hope so.  

Is it a bad move?  If so, we'll add it to the ever-growing list.

@flugel said:

 I'm gonna speak fluent Calfox here

Please don't.

No one likes it even when he does it. ?

@nero said:

I'm not calming down, we're talking about one of the only 2 players who kick the ball in American FOOTball and I am a Spaniard

? Fair enough!   I only wanted a quick exhale from you.

I'm still kind of baffled by it myself.  I'm gonna speak fluent Calfox here and say the poor guy got Parkey-Parksies for Cody Parkey.  That's like a RB getting cut today; and then the team that cut him signs Trent Richardson.  

Seibert had a great year in 2019 making 25 of 29 FG attempts.  The thing that puzzled me about him was as good as he was with the FGs - how does the same guy miss 5 extra point attempts?   And then he began this year missing another.  Again, how about the STs coach finding the flawed mechanic responsible for something that should be correctable in lieu of the knee jerk reaction?  

@tour2ma said:

So-o-o-o-o-o-o-o...

Penicillin?

Hydroxychloroquine? Lysol??

@dutch-oven said:

Losing is disease, as contagious as syphilis... 

So-o-o-o-o-o-o-o...

Penicillin?

@flugel said:

If you calm down for a second - I was comparing 2 guys with a lot of promise we cut prematurely IMO. The alternative is to coach em up so we get the Zane Gonzalez that makes 31 of his 35 FG attempts in 2019 rather than cut him after 18 games.

I was NOT excited Parkey is the solution. 

I thought Zane was promising on his first season, because as it went down he started kicking better and did well in winter IIRC. I'm not calming down, we're talking about one of the only 2 players who kick the ball in American FOOTball and I am a Spaniard

Get ready for him to hit a game winning kick

@nero said:

He had a wayyyy worse rookie season. And he missed like 5 fg in 2 games. 

If you calm down for a second - I was comparing 2 guys with a lot of promise we cut prematurely IMO. The alternative is to coach em up so we get the Zane Gonzalez that makes 31 of his 35 FG attempts in 2019 rather than cut him after 18 games.

I was NOT excited Parkey is the solution. 

@browns23 said:

Zane Gonzalez also went 31-35 last year with only one missed XP. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GonzZa00.htm

Kickers are about as fickle as relievers in baseball. 

Gostkowski had two missed FGs, another blocked and an extra point missed last night for the Titans. Pulled his bacon out of the fire with a chip shot FG to win the game at the end over Denver. He looked like he came from a funeral to attend a wedding all in one night. It was a nightmare since all 4 screwups were back to back to back to back.

@nickers said:

I wonder how good Phil Dawsons rookie season was...

8/12 with one missed XP. Not to mention he had a two below 80% FG pct years after that in random years.
 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/dawsophi01.htm

I think they gave up on both Gonzalez and Seibert too quickly. Kicking in the NFL is a completely different animal to kicking in college.

Kickers are about as fickle as relievers in baseball.