@hoorta said:

We'll take Watt off your hands- for the right price.    

Well... they do owe us for taking the Brockweiler's big contract off their hands...

@unsympathetic said:

Texans don't have a LB or DB worth trading for - unless OBrien will give Berry their CB Roby for a 2021 4th as a parting gift - so I'm actually happy with Texans treading water.  Means there's one less AFC playoff contender..

@tour2ma said:

Interesting news...

Apparently BillO was feelin' a lil' pressure as the end drew nigh...

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Report: JJ Watt, Bill O’Brien had heated exchange that led to ‘player revolt’

Steve DelVecchio, Larry Brown Sports  4 hrs ago

Bill O’Brien was fired by the Houston Texans this week following an 0-4 start to the season, but the record may have only been a small factor in the team’s decision to move on from its head coach and general manager.

In the weeks leading up to his firing, O’Brien reportedly had verbal altercations on the practice field with members of his coaching staff and Texans players. Aaron Wilson of the Houston Chronicle reports that one of those players was star defensive lineman JJ Watt.

John Granato of of ESPN 97.5 Houston was given similar information. He was told that the argument between Watt and O’Brien began a “player revolt” that ultimately resulted in O’Brien being fired.

The reports make sense, as one anonymous Texans player said this week that there was a sense of relief in the locker room when O’Brien was let go. Some players may have held a grudge against O’Brien stemming from his decision to trade star wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins. That trade seemed to be the result of Hopkins and O’Brien not getting along.

O’Brien was hired as head coach of the Texans in 2014. He finished with a regular-season record of 52-48 in six-plus seasons. The Texans reached the postseason four times under O’Brien and won two playoff games. While the results on the field were not horrible, it sounds like the locker room dynamic was a different story.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/report-jj-watt-bill-o-brien-had-heated-exchange-that-led-to-player-revolt/ar-BB19NsG8?ocid=msedgdhp

We'll take Watt off your hands- for the right price.    

@tour2ma said:

Interesting news...

Apparently BillO was feelin' a lil' pressure as the end drew nigh...

===============================================================================

Report: JJ Watt, Bill O’Brien had heated exchange that led to ‘player revolt’

Steve DelVecchio, Larry Brown Sports  4 hrs ago

Bill O’Brien was fired by the Houston Texans this week following an 0-4 start to the season, but the record may have only been a small factor in the team’s decision to move on from its head coach and general manager.

In the weeks leading up to his firing, O’Brien reportedly had verbal altercations on the practice field with members of his coaching staff and Texans players. Aaron Wilson of the Houston Chronicle reports that one of those players was star defensive lineman JJ Watt.

John Granato of of ESPN 97.5 Houston was given similar information. He was told that the argument between Watt and O’Brien began a “player revolt” that ultimately resulted in O’Brien being fired.

The reports make sense, as one anonymous Texans player said this week that there was a sense of relief in the locker room when O’Brien was let go. Some players may have held a grudge against O’Brien stemming from his decision to trade star wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins. That trade seemed to be the result of Hopkins and O’Brien not getting along.

O’Brien was hired as head coach of the Texans in 2014. He finished with a regular-season record of 52-48 in six-plus seasons. The Texans reached the postseason four times under O’Brien and won two playoff games. While the results on the field were not horrible, it sounds like the locker room dynamic was a different story.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/report-jj-watt-bill-o-brien-had-heated-exchange-that-led-to-player-revolt/ar-BB19NsG8?ocid=msedgdhp

You can only be red assssssss, for so long unless you're winning championships. He was winning enough to stay as long as he did. He might be a better college coach. 

@icecube said:

I think the fans/owners were sick of 0-3 starts, scrambling to make the playoffs and then not getting any further than the previous year. Plus, his garbage GM moves were nothing short of embarrassing. 

Yep, nailed it. Lol

Apparently BillO was feelin' a lil' pressure as the end drew nigh...

===============================================================================

Report: JJ Watt, Bill O’Brien had heated exchange that led to ‘player revolt’

Steve DelVecchio, Larry Brown Sports  4 hrs ago

Bill O’Brien was fired by the Houston Texans this week following an 0-4 start to the season, but the record may have only been a small factor in the team’s decision to move on from its head coach and general manager.

In the weeks leading up to his firing, O’Brien reportedly had verbal altercations on the practice field with members of his coaching staff and Texans players. Aaron Wilson of the Houston Chronicle reports that one of those players was star defensive lineman JJ Watt.

John Granato of of ESPN 97.5 Houston was given similar information. He was told that the argument between Watt and O’Brien began a “player revolt” that ultimately resulted in O’Brien being fired.

The reports make sense, as one anonymous Texans player said this week that there was a sense of relief in the locker room when O’Brien was let go. Some players may have held a grudge against O’Brien stemming from his decision to trade star wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins. That trade seemed to be the result of Hopkins and O’Brien not getting along.

O’Brien was hired as head coach of the Texans in 2014. He finished with a regular-season record of 52-48 in six-plus seasons. The Texans reached the postseason four times under O’Brien and won two playoff games. While the results on the field were not horrible, it sounds like the locker room dynamic was a different story.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/report-jj-watt-bill-o-brien-had-heated-exchange-that-led-to-player-revolt/ar-BB19NsG8?ocid=msedgdhp

@unsympathetic said:

Texans don't have a LB or DB worth trading for - unless OBrien will give Berry their CB Roby for a 2021 4th as a parting gift - so I'm actually happy with Texans treading water.  Means there's one less AFC playoff contender..

Well, between KC, Balt., Pitt, Buffalo, Pats, TN...I'd say they got plenty to worry about without the Texans also being a contender. 

@the-gipper said:

That is what happens often when the HC wants to also be the GM.   Occasionally it works out.  More often not, it seems, including our foray into Butch Davis trying to do that sort of thing. 

Butch.......uuugghhhhhh. He was "the answer"....until he wasn't. 

@jiggins7919 said:

This guy went to the playoffs 4 of 6 years. Yeesh. I guess he completely screwed himself...but still...

I think the fans/owners were sick of 0-3 starts, scrambling to make the playoffs and then not getting any further than the previous year. Plus, his garbage GM moves were nothing short of embarrassing. 

@unsympathetic said:

Texans don't have a LB or DB worth trading for -

Obviously depends upon the price, but...

• OLB Zach Cunningham is an impact player and could easily translate to our 4-3... inside or outside. His ILB, a trimmed-down McKinney, has turned into a nice player that could be a 2-down MLB in our 4-3. Either would improve our current LB room.
• CB-wise they have Hargreaves and, as you mention, Roby. Meh...
• Safety? I liked Justin Reid in that 2018 Safety class (it wasn't the 2017 Class by a mile, but it did not suck)... still do.

@jiggins7919 said:

This guy went to the playoffs 4 of 6 years. Yeesh. I guess he completely screwed himself...but still...

That is what happens often when the HC wants to also be the GM.   Occasionally it works out.  More often not, it seems, including our foray into Butch Davis trying to do that sort of thing. 

@hoorta said:

The question is if Sam is terrible, or just playing on a terrible team?  It's been the ruination of many highly drafted first round qbs.  David Carr comes to mind immediately.... Our own Tim Couch may be in the running... 

We had Baker all set up for failure, but somebody went and prioritized the OL and kept 4 superior RBs + a FB + blocking TEs. Go figure.?

@icecube said:

Have you watched Sam play? He mostly sucks. I was never sold on him. He played on USC when they had better athletes than their opponents. He's another Matt Leinart. 

The question is if Sam is terrible, or just playing on a terrible team?  It's been the ruination of many highly drafted first round qbs.  David Carr comes to mind immediately.... Our own Tim Couch may be in the running... 

@icecube said:

Have you watched Sam play? He mostly sucks. I was never sold on him. He played on USC when they had better athletes than their opponents. He's another Matt Leinart. 

You won't get any arguments out me about his sub-par play but look at the number Freddie did to Baker, it may take another year for him to recover. If I remember right Matt choose to bang bitches at USC while in the NFL, and party during the season like a crazy frat-boy.

@tour2ma said:

When was Mangini a GM? He wasn't when he was our HC.

He pretty much was running the whole show in '09, his first season with the Browns. 

George Kokinis was an empty suit that was hired AFTER Mangini, and he was fired halfway through the 2009 season. Trust me, Mangini was running the Browns lock, stock and barrel... I and many others on the old board I was on argued for years with the brilliant mind that is Pete Smith (yes, THAT Pete Smith) about how Mangini completely butchered that draft. ? 

@tour2ma said:

Thread appropriate tidbit from an article I'm reading...

Can anyone say any of that breaks their heart?

@neo said:

I've said it before, I've never seen Hopkins drop a pass. Just amazing.

I have...

... I thought it was the first sign of the End of Days...

@dutch-oven said:

Butch Davis and Eric Mangini on lines 1 and 2... 

When was Mangini a GM? He wasn't when he was our HC.

@warriorsrpussies said:

Yeah I seen him play but Gase is as bad as Freddie and they're devoid of talent, so I don't think he got a fair shake.

Just think...Gase thought he was too good for Cleveland and wouldn’t give an interview.

Karma is a bitch.

@neo said:

I've said it before, I've never seen Hopkins drop a pass. Just amazing.

And given away for a RB who's last decent season was in 2016.....

I think Bill tries so hard to imitate Hoodie that he loses his way. You can't just mimic another person 100% and be successful. When Bill found out how much Hops wanted in his next contract, he flipped out and over-reacted. 

@icecube said:

Have you watched Sam play? He mostly sucks. I was never sold on him. He played on USC when they had better athletes than their opponents. He's another Matt Leinart. 

Yeah I seen him play but Gase is as bad as Freddie and they're devoid of talent, so I don't think he got a fair shake.