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Derek Anderson said the radio receiver in his helmet wasn't working Sunday, so he had to work with hand signals. Anderson said Brady Quinn, who was quarterbacking the White team, schooled White defenders on those hand signals, which made it harder for Anderson to work a drive filled with short passes.
BEREA, Ohio -- Details, details, details. Cleveland Browns coach Eric Mangini is a master of getting down to the details of pro football.

On Sunday, he turned the Brown and White Scrimmage into a simulated Sunday at Cleveland Stadium. How detailed was Mangini's game plan? He had NFL officials count off TV timeouts. He had replay challenges, pregame officials meetings and postgame news conferences.

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Educated in the Bill Parcells-Bill Belichick coaching tree, Mangini has gathered teaching tools for years, and continues to fine-tune what he teaches his players and what he does for schemes. The Browns are Mangini's team now. Owner Randy Lerner is letting Mangini run the Browns his way. Players are schooled in technique and how those techniques fit within particular plays.

Coming off a 4-12 season, the Browns obviously have a lot to work on. Derek Anderson said the radio receiver in his helmet wasn't working Sunday, so he had to work with hand signals. Anderson said Brady Quinn, who was quarterbacking the White team, schooled White defenders on those hand signals, which made it harder for Anderson to work a drive filled with short passes. Details, details, details.

1. Who will be the QB? The Quinn-Anderson starting quarterback battle is too close to call, and Mangini insists the job is wide open, even though most people figure Quinn is the favorite. Quinn opened the scrimmage by hitting Lance Leggett on a 51-yard touchdown pass after he drew in deep coverage with a perfect play-action fake. Anderson showed some improvement on his short and intermediate throws, a problem that has nagged him over the past two years. Because Anderson has such a strong arm, he tends to throw fastballs in the short and intermediate range that are hard to catch. Once those problems were noted, Anderson started to hesitate before making the throw. Now, he's not hesitating, and that has improved his efficiency. Anderson made one fatal mistake Sunday by throwing into double coverage at the goal line; linebacker D'Qwell Jackson intercepted his throw. After the game, Quinn tried to dismiss thoughts that he's making a big effort to throw deep. Anderson is the long-ball specialist on the Browns, but Quinn can complete deep throws when he executes play-action fakes. Years of weightlifting have made Quinn one of the most "ripped'' quarterbacks in the league. His forearms are masses of swelling muscles, and his upper body looks more like a linebacker's. Surprisingly, Quinn said he spent more time running than lifting during the offseason, which allowed him to enter camp at 230 pounds, eight pounds lighter than last year.

2. The Browns will run: Because Mangini is a coach who believes in details, you get the feeling the Browns will be more of a running team at the start of the season. Mangini believes in learning the basics before trying to do the tricky things. For example, he won't let his defensive linemen do more than play their gap responsibilities until they show they've mastered the technique. He wants his offensive linemen heavier, which hints that the plan is to run the ball more. That works. Jamal Lewis looks trim at 240 pounds, and he's motivated to have a good season. He's happy Mangini kept fullback Lawrence Vickers and plans to keep the fullback on the field to help with the run. Lewis does his best work when he runs behind a fullback. At age 29 with 10 years in the league, this is an important season for Lewis. The Browns lost powerful guard Rex Hadnot for several weeks because of a knee sprain, but they still have Eric Steinbach and enough veterans to have a quality group of starting blockers.

3. Edwards is fired up: Braylon Edwards is excited about the 2009 season. He should be. He's in the last season of his contract, and he just watched fellow wide receivers Roddy White and Greg Jennings get contracts worth slightly less than $9 million a year. But football is a team game, and there are some serious concerns about the Browns' receiving corps. One of the most noticeable problems Sunday and throughout camp has been dropped passes. Edwards had a horrible time with dropped passes last season, but the rest of the receiving corps has to show it can catch the ball as well. Mike Furrey could help. He's a solid slot receiver. The Browns have two promising draft choices -- Mohamed Massaquoi and Brian Robiskie. Massaquoi caught three passes Sunday and seems to be a little ahead of Robiskie. If the rookies aren't ready to start, the Browns could try David Patten at the flanker spot. Furrey works better out of the slot, but the Browns have to find a flanker who can take some double coverage away from Edwards. What encourages Edwards is that the current coaching staff should do a better job with game adjustments on offense. Edwards felt the Browns didn't make adjustments on offense as games progressed last season.

4. Familiarity breeds success: Mangini made sure he brought in players who knew his defense. The acquisition of defensive end Kenyon Coleman was interesting because the Browns traded a second-round choice a year ago to acquire end Corey Williams. Williams is running the second team this summer; Coleman is starting. Eric Barton and David Bowens were brought over from the Jets to beef up the linebacker corps. Abram Elam will start at safety. That's four probable starters from the Jets who know Mangini's system. Cornerback Hank Poteat and defensive lineman C.J. Mosley will be key backups coming from the Jets. Even though former coach Romeo Crennel taught the Browns the Belichick system, Mangini has added his own variations. These six acquisitions should speed up the adjustment.

5. Less may be more: Rookie center Alex Mack should have a tough time in practices going against nose tackle Shaun Rogers. That was quite noticeable during Sunday's scrimmage. Mack was drafted to anchor the offensive line in the same manner Nick Mangold did for Mangini in New York. Rogers abused him Sunday, which shouldn't be a surprise, because Rogers is basically unblockable. There were times last season that Rogers was triple-teamed and still got into the backfield. It still amazes me that Rogers was so dominant at nose tackle last season but the Browns surrendered 151 yards a game on the ground. One of the problems apparently was that Rogers was playing too much. He played 82 percent of the snaps, leaving him vulnerable to wearing down later in the game. Jets nose tackle Kris Jenkins played 55 percent of the snaps last season and was equally dominating. Expect a slight cut in the number of plays for Rogers so he can provide better production later in games.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/topic/5878/people-who-always-have-excuses-annoy-me.RSS for NodeFri, 02 Oct 2026 01:38:29 GMTMon, 10 Aug 2009 20:43:13 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to People who always have excuses annoy me. on Wed, 12 Aug 2009 20:58:59 GMT]]>didn't see ratliff having trouble with the D knowing his signals. he had to escort DA down to the red zone just so he could get a TD and not look like a total bum.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/92780https://brownsboard.com/post/92780Wed, 12 Aug 2009 20:58:59 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to People who always have excuses annoy me. on Wed, 12 Aug 2009 20:50:07 GMT]]>BEREA, Ohio (AP) -- Eric Mangini says his Cleveland Browns quarterbacks are competing, not cheating.

The radio transmitter inside Derek Anderson's helmet wasn't working in a Sunday scrimmage, so he used hand signals to relay plays. Anderson joked after the scrimmage that Brady Quinn told the defense what all the signals meant.

Reporters at the scrimmage saw the two players laughing about it.

But that didn't head off several online reports suggesting Quinn was using underhanded tactics to win the starting job.

Mangini could only shake his head.

"Those guys are competitive and they're friends," Mangini said Wednesday. "The group is friendly and the game was competitive by nature. ... All I see them doing is supporting each other."

Anderson's team won, 17-14.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/foot...l#ixzz0O2jgAGck

Was I right or was I right?]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/92773https://brownsboard.com/post/92773Wed, 12 Aug 2009 20:50:07 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to People who always have excuses annoy me. on Wed, 12 Aug 2009 20:11:57 GMT]]>

@vegasdogg said:

@ Masters - yes I did respond to the wrong poster.

I take back my smart ass ending to my post then πŸ™‚

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@dawgpound3 said:

No. Quinn told his white team defense what plays DA were running by the hand signals. To me, that's not right. If I was DA, I would punch him.

@ Masters - yes I did respond to the wrong poster.

@ dawgpound3 - What do you mean "Quinn told his team?" You have zero idea who told what to whom. None. Zero. Nada. You have zero clue if DA was messing around, which by Quinn's response he was messing around when he said Quinn gave away the signals.

What you don't seem to understand - at all - is that hand singals @ the scrimmage amount to numbers and a play on the wrist. Other than that, by the time the play goes in, Quinn would have to yell the play on the field - what do you think they had hand signals for the hand signals?

Seriously, how do you think the plays got to the defense while they were on the field? They all memorized every stinking play, while also knowing the their own assignments?

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/92747https://brownsboard.com/post/92747Wed, 12 Aug 2009 20:05:58 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to People who always have excuses annoy me. on Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:57:33 GMT]]>Everyone here is over reacting. The hand signals obviously forced Anderson to the throw the interception.........

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@vegasdogg said:

Always verify. How do you know this really happened? Are you the kind of poster that believes S Rogers wants back in Detroit as well? Here is one for you - the word Gullible is not in the dictionary.

I don't exactly have access to DA. The only thing I can go by to verify is what has been put in print. Supposedly that is what he said. So my point is that even if it did happen, Quinn had to have schooled his sided D before the game.

You'll also see I have said how do we know DA didn't do the same thing for his side? We don't. So it goes both ways or can all be fiction. I get that.

Of course I am not, and nothing I said would seem to even lead to that conclusion. Are you responding to the right post?

Aren't you clever. Did an 8 year old teach you that joke on the playground today.

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Masters said:

That isn't what DA said. Read his quote, it's right in this thread. "Derek Anderson(notes) said the radio receiver in his helmet wasn't working Sunday, so he had to work with hand signals. Anderson said Brady Quinn, who was quarterbacking the White team, schooled White defenders on those hand signals, which made it harder for Anderson to work a drive filled with short passes."

Note the bold part. Past tense, which means it was before the actual play or game. Not only that, the term schooled is slang for taught.

The helmet going out, switching to hand signals, then getting off the play does not give enough time for a QB on the sideline to catch it happening, reading the signals, then communicating it in to the D.

Always verify. How do you know this really happened? Are you the kind of poster that believes S Rogers wants back in Detroit as well? Here is one for you - the word Gullible is not in the dictionary.

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AdaM said:

All this says to me is that DA wasn't smart enough to help prepare his team, Quinn did. And DA used that as an excuse for his play.

I look at it the same way.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/92735https://brownsboard.com/post/92735Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:46:58 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to People who always have excuses annoy me. on Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:46:17 GMT]]>Guys - I highly doubt it happened, and seriously, they were throwing most of the day - how much "help" do you think hand signal deciphering would have helped? In that short of time? Puuleease.

It was DA just messing around.

(On Derek Anderson saying he was giving the defense hand signals during the scrimmage) – β€œHe would say that (jokingly).”
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Masters said:

That isn't what DA said. Read his quote, it's right in this thread. "Derek Anderson(notes) said the radio receiver in his helmet wasn't working Sunday, so he had to work with hand signals. Anderson said Brady Quinn, who was quarterbacking the White team, schooled White defenders on those hand signals, which made it harder for Anderson to work a drive filled with short passes."

Note the bold part. Past tense, which means it was before the actual play or game.

The helmet going out, switching to hand signals, then getting off the play does not give enough time for a QB on the sideline to catch it happening, reading the signals, then communicating it in to the D.

All this says to me is that DA wasn't smart enough to help prepare his team, Quinn did. And DA used that as an excuse for his play.

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Masters said:

The helmet going out, switching to hand signals, then getting off the play does not give enough time for a QB on the sideline to catch it happening, reading the signals, then communicating it in to the D.

It's called telepathy, my man.

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@dawgpound3 said:

No. Quinn told his white team defense what plays DA were running by the hand signals. To me, that's not right. If I was DA, I would punch him.

That isn't what DA said. Read his quote, it's right in this thread. "Derek Anderson(notes) said the radio receiver in his helmet wasn't working Sunday, so he had to work with hand signals. Anderson said Brady Quinn, who was quarterbacking the White team, schooled White defenders on those hand signals, which made it harder for Anderson to work a drive filled with short passes."

Note the bold part. Past tense, which means it was before the actual play or game. Not only that, the term schooled is slang for taught.

The helmet going out, switching to hand signals, then getting off the play does not give enough time for a QB on the sideline to catch it happening, reading the signals, then communicating it in to the D.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/92731https://brownsboard.com/post/92731Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:46:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to People who always have excuses annoy me. on Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:42:28 GMT]]>Are you guys Kidding? I say its about time that we have someone who uses his head to bend the rules to his favor.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/92730https://brownsboard.com/post/92730Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:42:28 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to People who always have excuses annoy me. on Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:45:52 GMT]]>Choco, Drunkandstupid and Lumbergh keep spinning everything in their direction.

His concussion did not linger for an entire season and if it would have, he would have been benched and put on IR because of it.... kind of how like Quinn was with his finger.

It's one thing to blame one instance and move on, which is what Quinn fans have done with the finger injury. He got injured, was put on IR.... that's that. No one is twisting any facts when stating it.

DA is given excuse after excuse for poor play.

If it's not inclimate weather, it's dropped passes, bad routes ran, bad blocking, whatever... there is ALWAYS something. For the guy who said he doesnt want a guy who "cheats" leading this team... nice spin job. i don't want a guy who buckles any time there is pressure. i don't want a guy who needs excuses from his fans every time there is a foul up.

Brady Quinn could come out and stink up the joint this year, but that isn't going to excuse the fact that DA has screwed the pooch over and over and over and over again.

It's getting ridiculous talking with some of you guys. Call it how it is. Stop making excuses. If DA comes out in preseason and outshines Quinn, guys like me Shep and every other Browns fan that has been dubbed a "Quinn fag" will admit it. Shep openly admitted DA was ahead until the scrimmage because THAT's how he saw it.

When are one you DA guys going to give Quinn credit when he actually out-performs a guy like he did in the scrimmage? Have any of you EVER done that? Or do you continue to search for excuses as to why DA keeps making the same mistake?

I have seen plenty of guys who think Quinn is better come out and admit when DA looks good/better on the field; but I haven't seen any DA jock on this board give Quinn any credit when he outperformed DA in a pressure-filled, game-scenario scrimmage.

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Masters said:

a. Teams QBs try to signals from the oppossing team every week. One can look at this as good practice for communicating it to the D. QBs are leaders of teams, not just the O.

b. Do we know that DA and Rattliff didn't do the same thing for their D? We don't

c. This didn't occur during the game, as far as telling the D. The quote is that Quinn "schooled White defenders on those hand signals". Meaning past tense, i.e. before the game.

d. No matter what, the hand signals being understood by the D didn't cause DA to stare down his TE from go and to not see the double coverage, which by all accounts everyone watching the game could see.

No. Quinn told his white team defense what plays DA were running by the hand signals. To me, that's not right. If I was DA, I would punch him.

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@dawgpound3 said:

Quinn stealing hand signals is cheating! P 😠 Pure cheating. It's just not fair to DA or Ratliff.

a. Teams QBs try to signals from the oppossing team every week. One can look at this as good practice for communicating it to the D. QBs are leaders of teams, not just the O.

b. Do we know that DA and Rattliff didn't do the same thing for their D? We don't

c. This didn't occur during the game, as far as telling the D. The quote is that Quinn "schooled White defenders on those hand signals". Meaning past tense, i.e. before the game.

d. No matter what, the hand signals being understood by the D didn't cause DA to stare down his TE from go and to not see the double coverage, which by all accounts everyone watching the game could see.

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@socaldog said:

As Herm Edwards said, "Hello, you... play..... to... WIN.... THE.... GAME!"

Or as a famous leader said, "By any means necessary."

I LOVE it! To me that proves he is a smart SOB and he wants to WIN no matter the scenario/game. THAT is what I want from my leader/QB. Not some guy who blames his helmet radio not working on his subpar play.

Proof in a nutshell what the difference is between Quinn and DA.

Quinn stealing hand signals is cheating! P 😠 Pure cheating. It's just not fair to DA or Ratliff.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/92723https://brownsboard.com/post/92723Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:32:49 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to People who always have excuses annoy me. on Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:26:33 GMT]]>As Herm Edwards said, "Hello, you... play..... to... WIN.... THE.... GAME!"

Or as a famous leader said, "By any means necessary."

I LOVE it! To me that proves he is a smart SOB and he wants to WIN no matter the scenario/game. THAT is what I want from my leader/QB. Not some guy who blames his helmet radio not working on his subpar play.

Proof in a nutshell what the difference is between Quinn and DA.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/92721https://brownsboard.com/post/92721Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:26:33 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to People who always have excuses annoy me. on Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:57:11 GMT]]>Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:53 am EDT

Hand signals? Brady Quinn has a hand signal for Derek Anderson

By MJD

ESPN's John Clayton stuck an interesting tidbit about the Cleveland Browns quarterback battle in his latest report from Browns training camp (also known as the Eric Mangini control festival). It seems that young Brady Quinn(notes) is not above a little bit of chicanery in his quest to win the Browns' starting quarterback job.

Derek Anderson(notes) said the radio receiver in his helmet wasn't working Sunday, so he had to work with hand signals. Anderson said Brady Quinn, who was quarterbacking the White team, schooled White defenders on those hand signals, which made it harder for Anderson to work a drive filled with short passes.

Helping the defense intercept signals during a scrimmage in order to gain an edge in a training camp position battle ... that's kind of awesome.

Quinn has not had a chance to respond to Clayton's report. But if it's true, is what he did cheating? I guess you could call it cheating. Is it unethical? Probably. Would I do it? I would absolutely do it.

And before passing judgment, remember that we don't know all the circumstances here. Maybe it was a scrimmage where something was on the line. For example, maybe the Brown team got out of practice early if they won, or maybe the White team got Popsicles if they won.

Maybe Quinn was just practicing the stealing of signals for the regular season, in which case, it's something that would be beneficial to everyone in the Browns organization, would it not?

Maybe there was a purpose beyond, "Screw Derek Anderson, I'm trying to win this job."

Or maybe there wasn't. Does there have to be? I would guess that Eric Mangini wants his players to be that competitive about their spots. If it's not something that's hurting the team (and it's not, since it's a scrimmage), where's the harm?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_...?urn=nfl,182358

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@choco said:

nice try for what? after percolating a bit......it bothers me. he feels he has to cheat to win. bad juju...

Do we know that DA didn't do the same for his team? No, we don't. It's much ado about nothing.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/92680https://brownsboard.com/post/92680Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:12:28 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to People who always have excuses annoy me. on Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:04:24 GMT]]>nice try for what? after percolating a bit......it bothers me. he feels he has to cheat to win. bad juju...

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@choco said:

the more i think about this, the more it bothers me.

not sure the characteristics i want in a QB include cheating to win against your own teammates....in a scrimmage...that means essentially nothing. poor decision....and a bit desperate. if this is what he has to do to give himself an edge for the starting job, he just may not have what it takes.

either way, i think there's too much people assume about this kid.

nice try, do you need some attention today? πŸ˜’

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/92665https://brownsboard.com/post/92665Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:30:27 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to People who always have excuses annoy me. on Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:10:31 GMT]]>the more i think about this, the more it bothers me.

not sure the characteristics i want in a QB include cheating to win against your own teammates....in a scrimmage...that means essentially nothing. poor decision....and a bit desperate. if this is what he has to do to give himself an edge for the starting job, he just may not have what it takes.

either way, i think there's too much people assume about this kid.

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@daddybull1 said:

Let me get this straight---Quinn breaks a finger and the majority give him some slack yet DA has a concussion and the majority give him the shaft... Concussions do not go away in a few weeks, it's a lingering injury that can be again affected when a player hits the ground or is merely tackled.... Some opinions will never change----an excuse to one is a reason to another---whatever.......

Please - you're going to give him the entire season to get his head straight? Did he have the problem against the Giants? Because I guess he relapsed against the Redskins. Seriously, don't give me he had a concussion and needs a do over in 2009. He is up and down every season. Some great games and some crap. Not mediocre - pure crap. That is a bad sign long term.

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