Zombo said:

When I saw the thread title and "Westside Steve" I thought this thread was intended for the Political Forum.

Silly, silly Zombo...

Forgive me Father, for I have sinned. I thought Jim Harbaugh was going to make TTUN a legit threat to Ohio State's dominance of the Big Ten. They are a half away from starting this season 1-2.  

@the-gipper said:

Yea, I wonder why that is?   But at least we were worthy of having one state hate us most.

I notice that none of the following teams got the most hate from any state: Chargers/Cards/Broncos/Texans/Vikings/Lions/Bengals/Titans/Jags/Dolphins/Bucs/Colts/Panthers/Giants/Bills or  WTFs.

That is just wrong. I moved from NW Ohio to West Virginia 2 years ago and am always running into Browns fans here.

@vagitron said:

I"m not really sure why Dave Wannstedt would lie about it.  What would be the purpose of making that up? Personally I don't really give a shit. It seems perfectly logical to want to give it to the Steelers all things considered.  EDIT: I just did some more digging and it seems to be a mixed bag of who is telling the truth.  I'm glad it isn't the Steelers. 

Dave Wannstedt has generally been proven to be clueless, so anything he claims would have to be taken with a grain of salt. I doubt that it was ever really offered to the Steelers.  The Cowboys had the image that applied at the time.  The star on their helmet, the squeaky clean former Navy man at the controls.  I mean, they were not going to give it to a team that had the reputation as the dirtiest team in the league (or, at least, at that time, vying with the Raiders for that title), and they in no way wanted to give it to a team whose logo included things called "hypocycloids". 

@tour2ma said:

Good story, but...

... to be true that means:

• NFL (Films) offered it to you following your 1975 season ending in your Jan., '76 SB win; then
• skipped offering it to the 1977 'Boyz team that won a SB; then
• gave it to the '78 'Boyz who lost a SB.

Does sitting on the name an added year to give it to a SB loser seem logical to you?

I"m not really sure why Dave Wannstedt would lie about it.  What would be the purpose of making that up? Personally I don't really give a shit. It seems perfectly logical to want to give it to the Steelers all things considered.  EDIT: I just did some more digging and it seems to be a mixed bag of who is telling the truth.  I'm glad it isn't the Steelers. 

@vagitron said:

Yea, it was offered to the Steelers first.  Dave Wannstedt talks about it and for whatever reason (I assume because the Steelers play the Cowboys this week) it has resurfaced. 

Good story, but...

... to be true that means:

• NFL (Films) offered it to you following your 1975 season ending in your Jan., '76 SB win; then
• skipped offering it to the 1977 'Boyz team that won a SB; then
• gave it to the '78 'Boyz who lost a SB.

Does sitting on the name an added year to give it to a SB loser seem logical to you?

@westside-steve said:

This is Cleveland vag.. half the season is over. If the team ain't 7 and 1 Jimmy is looking for an entire new coaching staff and front office. Anyway screw the boys screw Jerry Jones at screw McCarthy. I certainly would hate it worse if he takes those rat bastards to the Super Bowl. Not as bad as you guys but still...

WSS

Here is to hoping Jimmy bucks the trend, can't keep the revolving door and expect to stay consistently solid. 

@tour2ma said:

I always heard that "America's Team" was bestowed on the Boys by Sabol and NFL Films. It was the title of one of their season summary productions for Dallas.

And wasn't Roger's nickname Capt. Comeback?

I'd never heard it was offered to PTG first...  although given the year, 1978, that the moniker was coined, it would make sense that PTG would be a candidate as the 70's was kinda their decade. Their 1978 NFL Films summary was titled

Yea, it was offered to the Steelers first.  Dave Wannstedt talks about it and for whatever reason (I assume because the Steelers play the Cowboys this week) it has resurfaced. 

@tour2ma said:

Wait.... WV hates us?

Whoo-hoo! WE'RE WORTH HATING!

Yea, I wonder why that is?   But at least we were worthy of having one state hate us most.

I notice that none of the following teams got the most hate from any state: Chargers/Cards/Broncos/Texans/Vikings/Lions/Bengals/Titans/Jags/Dolphins/Bucs/Colts/Panthers/Giants/Bills or  WTFs.

Whoo-hoo! WE'RE WORTH HATING!

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/this-is-the-most-hated-team-in-the-nfl-according-to-a-recent-twitter-study/

Dallas....why not Start QB Garrett Gilbert that played at Texas & SMU? ?... Starting QB Cooper *Rush*, just seems like a poorly planned Steeler invitation.. Please! Spare the world from watching more of Ben NiNucci ?   

@vagitron said:

Not when the team is a damn mess. It takes time, your perspective on this is why the Browns are continually in the gutter.  If you fire every damn coach that has a tough time in a season or two you stay in the revolving door.  Continuity needs to exist and while McCarthy lost his job in GB he still had success in GB, the team has to be ready to win to actually win.  A coach isn't going to immediately right those wrongs.  Jerry jones is also a problem in dallas.

This is Cleveland vag.. half the season is over. If the team ain't 7 and 1 Jimmy is looking for an entire new coaching staff and front office. Anyway screw the boys screw Jerry Jones at screw McCarthy. I certainly would hate it worse if he takes those rat bastards to the Super Bowl. Not as bad as you guys but still...

WSS

And wasn't Roger's nickname Capt. Comeback?

I'd never heard it was offered to PTG first...  although given the year, 1978, that the moniker was coined, it would make sense that PTG would be a candidate as the 70's was kinda their decade. Their 1978 NFL Films summary was titled

@vagitron said:

You can thank the "Americas team" mantra that was actually offered to the Steelers.  The Chief nicely told them to stick it up their ass. lol

It originated with Dallas when Roger Staubach was the QB, Naval Academy Grad and Vietnam Veteran. He was sometime called Capt. America back then among other things.

@tour2ma said:

Injuries are a big part of Dallas' "mess", but he wasn't winning early in the season when they were relatively healthy.

In McCarthy's case I think the biggest question is whether he has "it" anymore. A lot of the reason he was sent packing from GB was that his Offense was seen as stale. You don't have to HC for 30 years to have the game pass you by... and in Mike's case it just may have.

Plus do you get a "leader" vibe from him? I don't...

I don't follow McCarthy closely but you aren't wrong.  I also 1000% agree on the leadership vibe.  I sometimes can't tell if he's going through his thoughts or preparing to shit his pants. lol

@dutch-oven said:

What is happening to the Cowboys could not happen to a better person. 

I mean seriously, is there any professional sports team in the U.S. that gets more undeserved attention than the Cowboys? 

You can thank the "Americas team" mantra that was actually offered to the Steelers.  The Chief nicely told them to stick it up their ass. lol

In McCarthy's case I think the biggest question is whether he has "it" anymore. A lot of the reason he was sent packing from GB was that his Offense was seen as stale. You don't have to HC for 30 years to have the game pass you by... and in Mike's case it just may have.

Plus do you get a "leader" vibe from him? I don't...

@vagitron said:

Jerry jones is also a problem in dallas.

What is happening to the Cowboys could not happen to a better person. 

I mean seriously, is there any professional sports team in the U.S. that gets more undeserved attention than the Cowboys? 

@westside-steve said:

So in hiring a new head coach the goal is not to improve the success of the team?

WSS

Not when the team is a damn mess. It takes time, your perspective on this is why the Browns are continually in the gutter.  If you fire every damn coach that has a tough time in a season or two you stay in the revolving door.  Continuity needs to exist and while McCarthy lost his job in GB he still had success in GB, the team has to be ready to win to actually win.  A coach isn't going to immediately right those wrongs.  Jerry jones is also a problem in dallas.

@jdailey23 said:

Im selling Dak and if I were Cleveland, I’d offer a day 2 pick if Baker doesn’t show more improvement and Daks medicals check out.

Dak will be back... and a 2nd ain't gonna get it done.

@jdailey23 said:

So what’s the play?? Sell the top 3 pick to the highest bidder or sell Dak for whatever they may get after the 2021 season and sit the new, cheap, healthy QB this upcoming season???

Im selling Dak and if I were Cleveland, I’d offer a day 2 pick if Baker doesn’t show more improvement and Daks medicals check out.

Just  no.  

If there were truly an executive decision made to move away from Baker,  going that direction would be about the last thing I would consider. 

Im selling Dak and if I were Cleveland, I’d offer a day 2 pick if Baker doesn’t show more improvement and Daks medicals check out.

@westside-steve said:

So in hiring a new head coach the goal is not to improve the success of the team?

WSS

The purpose of hiring a new coach is to renew fan interest to keep those season tickets selling like hotcakes, fill the owner's pocket and produce yet another shitty team until we wash and repeat for more ?. Works in Cleveland and Jerryworld has a more expensive snazzy venue. Overcharge for those beers & goodies. Make the suckers come back yearly.?

@vagitron said:

How is their current situation his fault? lol

So in hiring a new head coach the goal is not to improve the success of the team?

WSS

@westside-steve said:

About Mike McCarthy?

?

WSS

How is their current situation his fault? lol