@barry said:

So everyone is 100% sure that that defensive call wasn't done intentionally to lose the game, and when there was such blow-back Williams became the fall guy?

AGREED. You think Williams still wants to be there? He's home for the holidays, still respected in the league to get a job AND he gets to make Gase look like a bigger fool than people already think he is ! 

 Williams is a GENIUS ! 

@barry said:

So everyone is 100% sure that that defensive call wasn't done intentionally to lose the game, and when there was such blow-back Williams became the fall guy?

I agree Williams is the fall guy.. because Gase is both incompetent and insecure.  GW does blitz alot so I don't necessarily think he was tanking on purpose... it just so magically happened to work out that way.  Ruggs [and his 4.2 40] was matched up 1:1 with a UDFA rookie.. Seems legit.  

@barry said:

Just for sake of argument I'd wonder which F.O. would hire him if he 'came clean' and said he was told by Gase (and therefore implicates the F.O.) to lose the game?

Al Davis?   

...nah,  he was Just Win...

I KNOW!  Haslam woulda' hired him!

@barry said:

Just for sake of argument I'd wonder which F.O. would hire him if he 'came clean' and said he was told by Gase (and therefore implicates the F.O.) to lose the game?

Man, you got to think he'd be blackballed if he did that. That would be breaking the NFL's omerta. 

@orion said:

Somehow I don't see Williams' ego allowing him to take the fall for anyone.  I mean, now, who's going to hire him as a coach after that call?

Just for sake of argument I'd wonder which F.O. would hire him if he 'came clean' and said he was told by Gase (and therefore implicates the F.O.) to lose the game?

@dutch-oven said:

The best part of that last infamous play of the Jets/Raiders game is that only one of the safeties actually blitzed... the other one was five to ten yards off the LOS shadowing Carr, for reasons unknown to anyone who has ever watched one minute of football. 

Yup... had he not delayed he should have ended up right in Carr's step-up spot... and there'd be a very different narrative today.

That said... personally I thought he was checking that the RB did not slip out of the backfield on a hot route that could have gone the distance.

Little did that Safety know I'd started that RB in our FF league here, so there's was no chance he'd score.

@orion said:

I mean, now, who's going to hire him as a coach after that call?

I'd put the over/under at 4...

My first thought was Seattle under Carroll. Pete always seems to have one vet Coach on staff. Then Gruden occurred to me. MOst likely is any team looking up at the Jets' 19th-ranked run-D and 20 sack total.... and that's about 4 teams.

The man can coach. He's been a NFL DC for 19 years and a HC for 4 more. Getting over-aggressive on one call does not change that.

@barry said:

So everyone is 100% sure that that defensive call wasn't done intentionally to lose the game, and when there was such blow-back Williams became the fall guy?

Somehow I don't see Williams' ego allowing him to take the fall for anyone.  I mean, now, who's going to hire him as a coach after that call?

@tour2ma said:

Eh... the Irish all look alike...

I resemble that remark 

@tour2ma said:

Eh... the Irish all look alike...

Amen Sir...

@nickers said:

I guess I had "Bill O'brien on the brain lol...

Eh... the Irish all look alike...

@tour2ma said:

Jim O'Neil...

Agree was in over his head as Pet's DC, but he's still in the league on Gruden's LVR staff coaching DBs.

I guess I had "Bill O'brien on the brain lol...

@nickers said:

Yeah , Jim O'Brien was a dud!

Jim O'Neil...

Agree was in over his head as Pet's DC, but he's still in the league on Gruden's LVR staff coaching DBs.

@londonbrown said:

Adam Gase is a fucking oddball, no idea how he's in charge of a NFL team

He got a free pass from Peyton Manning's buddy on that deal... otherwise... He's persona Non Grata....

@londonbrown said:

That Jim guy under Pettine, I think he cost Mike his job

Yeah , Jim O'Brien was a dud!

@marvin-the-martian said:

Choosing between Freddie and Hue is like making a choice between being beaten or being robbed

The fact that Pat Shurmur can't even make it to the Top 2 says how bad some of the coaches we had had were. 

@londonbrown said:

Adam Gase is a fucking oddball, no idea how he's in charge of a NFL team

@londonbrown said:

Although it might have been me, I travelled to Cle when we were like 7-4 before the Texans game and we played terribly and I think lost every game for the rest of the year!

Nope its not you.  , that is exactly what happened.

@londonbrown said:

That Jim guy under Pettine, I think he cost Mike his job

O'Neil?  Yes, I think that is a good one. 

@the-cysko-kid said:

Freddie kitchens was the worst coach. Worse even than hue jackson. He had a ton of talent and pissed it away. Hue jackson had mostly mediocre talent and pissed it away. 

Choosing between Freddie and Hue is like making a choice between being beaten or being robbed