@texasag1969 said:

That is akin to saying "that war back in the early 60's" just after WW I. Now you can really feel olzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz?

2010s, 2000s, 1990s, 1980s, 1970s.....1960s.

Six decades ago.  

And they still have not made music to match.   

@tour2ma said:

I want to say that the NFL closed this "cash for player" loophole as they did the straight cash for player(s) "trades" that were common in the mid-1900s.

Aside: Man was it strange to type "mid-1900s"... Now I feel old and in need of a nap.

That is akin to saying "that war back in the early 60's" just after WW I. Now you can really feel olzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz?

@sdbacker80 said:

Don’t forget the Osweiler plus high pick strategy  to rid oneself of a bad contract.  And how could we- didn’t it net us Nick Chubb

Maybe it comes back into play this offseason  

I want to say that the NFL closed this "cash for player" loophole as they did the straight cash for player(s) "trades" that were common in the mid-1900s.

Aside: Man was it strange to type "mid-1900s"... Now I feel old and in need of a nap.

@dutch-oven said:

Um... wow. 

You are the one that came off disparaging Fields...so look in the mirror for your reasoning. 

Considering he has better college numbers than any of the other guys I mentioned. 

Maybe it comes back into play this offseason  

@the-gipper said:

Why not?  Why would he not be as good as  Kyler Murray, Dak Prescott., DeShaun Watson, Tua....or any of these other shortish black QBs?

Um... wow. 

@dutch-oven said:

The Jags should see what they could get for the #2 overall pick. 

I'm sorry, I just don't see Justin Fields as a good NFL QB. 

Why not?  Why would he not be as good as  Kyler Murray, Dak Prescott., DeShaun Watson, Tua....or any of these other shortish black QBs?

I'm sorry, I just don't see Justin Fields as a good NFL QB. 

@gumby73 said:

If the draft order stays as is? Let's just say the draft could start at pick #2... Does QB Gardner Minshew look like a NFL Starting QB or a Back-up QB?

Buckeyes QB Justin Fields could be a Jags pick? or  LT Penei Sewell could be chosen to protect Minshew's future? (Jags LT Cam Robinson rookie deal expires after 2020 season)

As of now...Jags sit on #2 pick...Cowboys #4 pick... Eagles #6 pick... Atlanta #8 pick.. Denver #10 pick...

The Jags could receive a Sashi butt-load of rebuilding picks while passing on Justin Fields?.. Minshew  a) could be traded on his rookie deal until 2023? b,) Kept as Fields starting competition?  

Should we, Fear the Stache  is done in Jacksonville? ?  

Edit--The smallest untold story in Greenville,NC?   1.) The ECU Pirates hired a new Athletic director.. 2.)Walked in the door & fired former Pirate player and Than ECU Head Coach Ruffin McNeill.. 3.) To open the door for than QB Garner Minshew to transfer from ECU to Washington State.. $4.) Sooners HC Lincoln Riley was Ruffin's/Minshew's Offensive Coordinator.... ?‍️ ?  

I think the Jags have been in the Tank for Trevor mode for 2 years.   Problem is that the Jets have just been a worse team. 

So, no.  I think they go for Fields if  Trevor is not there.

And actually, I think the Jets should be considering a trade of that #1 pick.....where they would get at minimum like  2 First rounders, 2 seconds and 2 3rds.   They have a pile of needs...and that trade could/should/would help them tremendously in rebuilding. 

@hoorta said:

Dallas is going to  suck bad enough to be in the draft a QB derby. They're currently 4th (actually 3rd, because the Bengals aren't drafting a QB).

PS- a brief perusal of  the Rams- Patriots game, I'd add  Cam Newton to the "done" list.

Both Fair statements.

As I see it though, there are really only 2 plums in this upcoming draft:   Lawrence and Fields......unless there is someone else there that is considered a Top  3-5 QB candidate.

So, both Dallas AND New England may in the "draft a QB" mode. 

@the-gipper said:

Yea, he was a major one I forgot. 

I think of all places pittsburgh might be a good landing spot for wentz. I don't think he's so far gone that he can't be salvaged and that would providev him a chance to regroup and study under an elite qb who has to be eyeing retirement soon but not quite yet. 

Buckeyes QB Justin Fields could be a Jags pick? or  LT Penei Sewell could be chosen to protect Minshew's future? (Jags LT Cam Robinson rookie deal expires after 2020 season)

As of now...Jags sit on #2 pick...Cowboys #4 pick... Eagles #6 pick... Atlanta #8 pick.. Denver #10 pick...

The Jags could receive a Sashi butt-load of rebuilding picks while passing on Justin Fields?.. Minshew  a) could be traded on his rookie deal until 2023? b,) Kept as Fields starting competition?  

Should we, Fear the Stache  is done in Jacksonville? ?  

Edit--The smallest untold story in Greenville,NC?   1.) The ECU Pirates hired a new Athletic director.. 2.)Walked in the door & fired former Pirate player and Than ECU Head Coach Ruffin McNeill.. 3.) To open the door for than QB Garner Minshew to transfer from ECU to Washington State.. $4.) Sooners HC Lincoln Riley was Ruffin's/Minshew's Offensive Coordinator.... ?‍️ ?  

@the-gipper said:

Then that begs the question:    Where do the Cowboys turn?   I don't think they are going to cast their fortunes with Andy Dalton. 

Dallas is going to  suck bad enough to be in the draft a QB derby. They're currently 4th (actually 3rd, because the Bengals aren't drafting a QB).

PS- a brief perusal of  the Rams- Patriots game, I'd add  Cam Newton to the "done" list.

I'll be surprised if Dak stays put. I'm watching another team play tonite where he's be a welcome addition. I believe the team's HC is named Belichick.

Dak's a tough competitor. Any apprehension he might have, which IMO will be little to none, will disappear when he gets off the turf after his first contact.

@tour2ma said:

Yes... because he's a UFA. Whenever you control where you sign... you have leverage.

Plus I guarantee you that after the failed 2020 contract negotiations Dak feels no allegiance to DAL.

Two things...

1. Word is that Dak is already ahead of schedule in his recovery/rehab which was only 4 - 6 months long. It's almost been two months since the injury.
2. Teams have medical staffs to evaluate the soundness of players, but with the above timetable staffs should be able to see for themselves how well the recovery went.

Even then the contract base may not be as rich as it once was... unless it's another tag by DAL which is set by rule. Problem is that if you look at DAL's 2021 cap-space you can see that is not really an option. They have an unbelievable $92mm in 2021 dead money tied up in three players... Cooper, Elliot and Lawrence.

Teams that want to hedge a little can use incentive clauses and even option years. So a team can commit to invest as little as $20mm or so while offering a package that hits $30+mm/yr.

I understand he’s an UFA.  He’s coming off of a serious injury going into the UFA.  this is ideal...never.  

He’s coming back...I get it ...is he right? When he moves in the pocket is he thinking about stepping up in the pocket and getting that ankle rolled on.  For a guy that doesn’t want to be locked into something long termish it’s a risk 

 My opinion... I would think his current team is likely more willing to assume the risk- he knows the system, the team, etc.  

ill be surprised if he’s on another team next year 

@bob806 said:

I think Rivers might hang 'em up, retire. He's got a bad case of turf toe that requires surgery. 

He's had a pretty fine career, not a lot of playoff success of course. The Colts took a flyer on him, its kind of worked out with 4 to play. 

Rivers has been a fantastic QB

@sdbacker80 said:

Does Dak have leverage next season?

Yes... because he's a UFA. Whenever you control where you sign... you have leverage.

Plus I guarantee you that after the failed 2020 contract negotiations Dak feels no allegiance to DAL.

@sdbacker80 said:

He may have some doubts as other teams have doubts on him coming back healthy next year and or having lingering effects of the injury the following year.  Name a team looking for a QB are you anchoring yourself to 35-40M plus a year on that?  If you recall he didn’t want to sign for more than 4 years.   I think Dallas is most likely team to take a gamble and it may not be as rich of a contract.

Two things...

1. Word is that Dak is already ahead of schedule in his recovery/rehab which was only 4 - 6 months long. It's almost been two months since the injury.
2. Teams have medical staffs to evaluate the soundness of players, but with the above timetable staffs should be able to see for themselves how well the recovery went.

Even then the contract base may not be as rich as it once was... unless it's another tag by DAL which is set by rule. Problem is that if you look at DAL's 2021 cap-space you can see that is not really an option. They have an unbelievable $92mm in 2021 dead money tied up in three players... Cooper, Elliot and Lawrence.

Teams that want to hedge a little can use incentive clauses and even option years. So a team can commit to invest as little as $20mm or so while offering a package that hits $30+mm/yr.

He's had a pretty fine career, not a lot of playoff success of course. The Colts took a flyer on him, its kind of worked out with 4 to play. 

@sdbacker80 said:

Grapes is not done in SF - Kyle likes him.

Dak is not done in big D

Same with Brees.

Chicago will do a clean slate.

Stafford will be a Lion.

I feel like Indy will look elsewhere and maybe make a big trade or maybe stafford will be a Colt.

Surprise here...Brady will retire.

Smith stays in Washington.  Haskins no way 

Darnold is gone...new regime will clean house 

Forgot one- Matt Ryan will be out in Atlanta 

Thanks for saving me time typing. I concur with all of it. 

@the-gipper said:

Again, Dak will be FA....he may get rid of them.   Unless they want to tag him again. 

Does Dak have leverage next season?  He may have some doubts as other teams have doubts on him coming back healthy next year and or having lingering effects of the injury the following year.  Name a team looking for a QB are you anchoring yourself to 35-40M plus a year on that?  If you recall he didn’t want to sign for more than 4 years.   I think Dallas is most likely team to take a gamble and it may not be as rich of a contract.

@sdbacker80 said:

They aren’t getting rid of Dak next season 

Again, Dak will be FA....he may get rid of them.   Unless they want to tag him again.