@unsympathetic said:

I'd like to get rid of Keenum somehow - his cap is a ridiculous 7.3 this season and that's just plain stupid.  Bad contract. Last season was a good value at 2.9.. now, not so much. 

1st... need a quality backup if you expect to be "in the hunt". Not sure who you have in mind who is both as good and cheaper.

2nd... don't forget about restructure possibilities. I'd guess Case has some loyalty to Stef that might make him want to hang around.

@unsympathetic said:

7M would get us a solid starting LB or backup/spot starter DB which we're currently allocating to a clipboard holder.. both newton and dalton would be happy for much less than the 7 we're paying keenum. Salary of Newton was under 2 and dalton was 3 last season.

Just saw your candidates... neither is realistic "as good and cheaper" option. Cam fails the former criteria and Dalton the latter.

No one deal means "all that much" but 3M times 52 players is the entire cap outside of garrett's deal [starting in 2023], so you can't have many "Eh, whatever" contracts..

7M would get us a solid starting LB or backup/spot starter DB which we're currently allocating to a clipboard holder.. both newton and dalton would be happy for much less than the 7 we're paying keenum. Salary of Newton was under 2 and dalton was 3 last season.

@unsympathetic said:

I'd like to get rid of Keenum somehow - his cap is a ridiculous 7.3 this season and that's just plain stupid.  Bad contract. Last season was a good value at 2.9.. now, not so much.  I'd guess we're sucking it up this season and releasing before 2022.

seems the average is 2-4 million at least in the top ten highest paid case is behind mariota and hill from the saints as in top paid so for insurance purpose does 3-5 million mean all that much compared to who we could get to replace him ?

@jiggins7919 said:

Am I the only one who doesn't think Stafford is all that good? I mean, he's alright, but he can't move, he doesn't consistently win, and he never struck me as the guy you'd really want leading your team. 

we could have traded them kennum for less their  about the same size i believe stafford has 2 inchs on case maybe  few pounds heavier and the rams are a run based team around 4th in the league in rushing  I believe this was more of a contract dump then anything 

also their completion pct and winning pct are all most the same

@jiggins7919 said:

Am I the only one who doesn't think Stafford is all that good? I mean, he's alright, but he can't move, he doesn't consistently win, and he never struck me as the guy you'd really want leading your team. 

Nah...

I've posted before that he just doesn't have that "it" factor. "Good" is where I peg him... just not "great".

@jiggins7919 said:

Am I the only one who doesn't think Stafford is all that good? I mean, he's alright, but he can't move, he doesn't consistently win, and he never struck me as the guy you'd really want leading your team. 

He's going to a well-run team, so here's his chance to show the world that he can win. 

I had this bad feeling for the last couple seasons that the Steelers were somehow going to get him. 

@jiggins7919 said:

Am I the only one who doesn't think Stafford is all that good? I mean, he's alright, but he can't move, he doesn't consistently win, and he never struck me as the guy you'd really want leading your team. 

The issue was always:  he has great talent, but has just been in the wrong situation.  Perhaps now we shall see if that is true...or if what you say is true. 

@orion said:

If they think he's as bad as the Rams do, then perhaps....since they've already got a bunch of picks for/with him.

Right.   What I am asking is if they are now in the draft pick accumulation business...selling off QBs for current year or future picks. 

Right now, per DraftWire, the Lions biggest needs in the draft  (and by extrapolation....Free Agency)....pre-trade were:

1. Wide Receiver

2. Linebacker

3. Defensive Line

4. Quarterback.....(now??)

5. Cornerback.

And, this may be before the trade, but the Lions  had  the following picks in the upcoming draft:    #7, 40,  71, 89, 112, 151

@the-gipper said:

If the Lions could get like a second rounder for him....do you think they would go for it? 

If they think he's as bad as the Rams do, then perhaps....since they've already got a bunch of picks for/with him.

@orion said:

I don't see how.   They've just demonstrated how little trade value he had.

I'm a Rams fan (to a degree) because my kid brother was a Rams fan.  But I'd like to see Goff succeed.  By getting these picks, and changing coaches (we've seen how important getting the 'right' one is) it could be a springboard into a new era for the Lions.  

If the Lions could get like a second rounder for him....do you think they would go for it? 

@the-gipper said:

Of course, if they got him to turn around and retrade him in order to get more picks....that could be a smart move.

I don't see how.   They've just demonstrated how little trade value he had.

I'm a Rams fan (to a degree) because my kid brother was a Rams fan.  But I'd like to see Goff succeed.  By getting these picks, and changing coaches (we've seen how important getting the 'right' one is) it could be a springboard into a new era for the Lions.  

Its not like they couldn't use a vast infusion of talent on that team.  They can.  And getting a number of good players aside from  a QB  seems necessary if they ever want to get past being known as the team that has won one single playoff game in 64 years. 

@texasag1969 said:

It will be interesting to see who the Lions draft in those picks they got.

You mean besides a QB?

Can Lynn find whatever Goff has and utilize D'Andre Swift / Goff? Yes, Steichen [eagles OC] was OC for Chargers underneath him, but Lynn's weakness was the game & clock, not the coaching. Lynn is a former RB coach and was a backup RB for the Elways when they won the back-to-back SB in the 90's.

@texasag1969 said:

It will be interesting to see who the Lions draft in those picks they got.

As it is The Way in football, games are won and lost in the trenches often;  so I would expect some emphasis there. 

@tour2ma said:

Goff? Only thing he will have going for him in DET is low expectations...

It will be interesting to see who the Lions draft in those picks they got.

@tour2ma said:

What else was better for Goff? His team...

Yup.  I knew that before I posted.  We shall see whether Stafford is better than Goff.

@orion said:

But the Browns needed a QB.  IMO, the Rams didn't 'need' to do this.  I mean, they traded up ahead of us to draft Goff.  Is Goff that bad?

Rams are built to win now. Goff simeply is not the guy to take them "there". That's what the Rams learned this year and realizing that, they moved on...

@orion said:

Favre threw lots of int's too.  

...Goff's stats look a lot like this guys:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/StafMa00.htm

Very similar with Goff's actually being a little better. What else was better for Goff? His team...

Stafford has played on mediocre to bad team teams his entire career, yet he posted stats on par with a QB on a veritable dream team by comparison.

Rams are banking on Stafford to flourish in a role on a damn good team.

Goff? Only thing he will have going for him in DET is low expectations...

@tiamat63 said:

Basically paying for long term draft capital.  

Yup... makes our trade with HOU for the Brockweiler and a 2nd seem like chump change.

That said... supposedly the Lions FO actually like Goff...

... but Dorsey ain't there to draft OL and DBs.

@orion said:

So, does Baker fall in that category?

I think it is too early to say... while I do not think Baker will ever be an "elite" QB, I think he'll be trusted to perform well in Stefanski's system for the foreseeable future, where I think the Rams thought Goff was holding the team back - that he had hit the ceiling and was starting to regress.

I guess we have to assume that Dutch is correct.  The Rams see Goff as garbage.  I mean, they gave up multiple 1st round picks and a 3rd for Stafford, oh and...here, take Goff too.  I mean, sending him to Detroit is like Belichick sending Jamie Collins to Cleveland (the NFL's Siberia at that time).

I don't think Goff is garbage, I just think the Rams felt they had gotten as far as they could with him, and were just spinning their wheels. They know their title window is now, and Matt Stafford in their opinion gives them a better shot. He's definitely a more dynamic QB than Goff is. 

@dutch-oven said:

IMO, I get the feeling the Rams felt like Jared Goff was never going to be able to "take the proverbial training wheels off". That they would always have to scheme his way to success, and that Stafford will allow them to have a more consistent, dynamic offense. 

So, does Baker fall in that category?

@hoorta said:

Stafford had a couple good years, but is he a massive upgrade over Goff?  Doubtful. 

So, is it like Dutch says?

Or is it financial?  Do we now have to win a super bowl with the 'proper value' at each position?   "You spent too much on QB and not enough on LB'ers so you don't get the gold ribbon with your super bowl trophy."

I guess we have to assume that Dutch is correct.  The Rams see Goff as garbage.  I mean, they gave up multiple 1st round picks and a 3rd for Stafford, oh and...here, take Goff too.  I mean, sending him to Detroit is like Belichick sending Jamie Collins to Cleveland (the NFL's Siberia at that time).

Detroit GM is Brad Holmes who was part of rams org from 2003 until 2 weeks ago, directed Rams college scouting 2013-2020.

Ray Agnew was the first round pick of the Pats as a DT in 1990.