is going to be doing. Owusu is far more Derwine James than Isaiah Simmons. Simmons is amazing, but at 6'4", 238, he is more

   Simmons was more of an amazingly athletic lb, and Owusu is more a true safety that can play all sorts of positions like the squealers used to do with Troy Pollywannaquacker.

  Simmons had a tough rookie year - they ran a lot of 3-4 and that didn't fit.

@nickers said:

 I just remember Butkus being in our backfield on every play just about in the 70's.. Poor Mike Phipps was lousy.. But he didnt have a chance with our shitass line then....

Nickers memory is as shitty as his knowledge on the matter.

The Bears played the Browns ONCE in the seven seasons Mike Phipps was a member of the Cleveland Browns. 

@texasag1969 said:

Do you know anything about football? Have you no idea why they called them the Monsters of the Midway?

"Middle linebackers

Within their acclaimed defenses, the Bears have been described as having a particularly strong legacy at middle linebacker, with players often being referred to as "Monsters in the Middle", a play on the Monsters of the Midway nickname.^[6] This is mainly due to the play of Bill George, Dick Butkus, Mike Singletary, and Brian Urlacher"

Given the fact that one of the biggest DTs in Butkus' era was Dallas' Bob Lilly at 6'5" 260, Butkus at 6'3" 245 was absolutely huge for a LB, even for MLB.

Do better research next time you throw shit on the board.

So sue me... I had always heard he was undersized and I honestly don't know where that came from.. My bad.. I always thought he looked small.. none the less... To me... He the benchmark at LB'er.. Him and Ray Nitschke set standards at the position.. I would have to include Sam huff too... I just remember Butkus being in our backfield on every play just about in the 70's.. Poor Mike Phipps was lousy.. But he didnt have a chance with our shitass line then.... No QB did... But all the same.. Brian Sipe came along and helped us forget Mike Phipps..

@hoorta said:

Sorry  Gipper MHO that rates as one of the dumbest songs of all time. Start a thread and ask if anyone has a better idea.  

Yea,  pretty dumb song.  Not the best  3 Dog Night  had to offer.    Of course, that is a band that never wrote their own songs I do not believe. 

@hoorta said:

Sorry Nickers there's a reason the Butkus award is named after, um Butkus. 6'3" 245...  Prototypical size-and if you ever saw him play- poor running backs looked like they had been hit by a freight train. Lewis wasn't a lightweight either at 245, and the reason he fell into the second round was a lousy 40 time.  

Lewis, I do not believe fell to the second round,   did he?   I thought he was taken as  Baltimore's second choice in that draft,   after Jonathan Ogden,  but still first round.   Have to check. 

@nickers said:

I know... I saw Butkus in our backfield on just about every play during the Phipps era..

Mike Phipps was a member of the Cleveland Browns from 1970-1976.

The Bears and Browns played each other a grand total of one time during that time period.

Wrong again.

@texasag1969 said:

Do you know anything about football? Have you no idea why they called them the Monsters of the Midway?

"Middle linebackers

Within their acclaimed defenses, the Bears have been described as having a particularly strong legacy at middle linebacker, with players often being referred to as "Monsters in the Middle", a play on the Monsters of the Midway nickname.^[6] This is mainly due to the play of Bill George, Dick Butkus, Mike Singletary, and Brian Urlacher"

Given the fact that one of the biggest DTs in Butkus' era was Dallas' Bob Lilly at 6'5" 260, Butkus at 6'3" 245 was absolutely huge for a LB, even for MLB.

Do better research next time you throw shit on the board.

nickers is the epitome of "Proudly and Loudly Ignorant". He's very 21st Century American.  

@comeonman said:

Had to work tonight and didn’t see any commentary. Any reason for him dropping that far? I figured he’d go in the first for sure 

A big reason for his drop has to do with Isaiah Simmons not having a great rookie campaign as they are very similar prospects and the cardinals couldn't/can't figure out how to use him. If he were in last years draft he is probably a top 15 pick because a player like Simmons was all the hype It's a copy cat league.

Side note a big reason for Trey Lance rise is Josh Allen's success from what I've heard.  A lot of people see similar qualities in those two

@nickers said:

 Butkus and Lewis weren't huge either..

Do you know anything about football? Have you no idea why they called them the Monsters of the Midway?

"Middle linebackers

Within their acclaimed defenses, the Bears have been described as having a particularly strong legacy at middle linebacker, with players often being referred to as "Monsters in the Middle", a play on the Monsters of the Midway nickname.^[6] This is mainly due to the play of Bill George, Dick Butkus, Mike Singletary, and Brian Urlacher"

Given the fact that one of the biggest DTs in Butkus' era was Dallas' Bob Lilly at 6'5" 260, Butkus at 6'3" 245 was absolutely huge for a LB, even for MLB.

Do better research next time you throw shit on the board.

@the-gipper said:

In case some of you Millenials didn't get the reference in the thread  title,  here you go:

Sorry  Gipper MHO that rates as one of the dumbest songs of all time. Start a thread and ask if anyone has a better idea.  

@hoorta said:

Sorry Nickers there's a reason the Butkus award is named after, um Butkus. 6'3" 245...  Prototypical size-and if you ever saw him play- poor running backs looked like they had been hit by a freight train. Lewis wasn't a lightweight either at 245, and the reason he fell into the second round was a lousy 40 time.  

I know... I saw Butkus in our backfield on just about every play during the Phipps era..

@nickers said:

I love the pick...Sam Gash was undersized and turned into a darn good backer.. Hell even Eddie Johnson was small.. Butkus and Lewis weren't huge either... I wanted this kid... Glad we got him... He looks like a solid tackler!

Sorry Nickers there's a reason the Butkus award is named after, um Butkus. 6'3" 245...  Prototypical size-and if you ever saw him play- poor running backs looked like they had been hit by a freight train. Lewis wasn't a lightweight either at 245, and the reason he fell into the second round was a lousy 40 time.  

@nickers said:

I love the pick...Sam Gash was undersized and turned into a darn good backer.. Hell even Eddie Johnson was small.. Butkus and Lewis weren't huge either... I wanted this kid... Glad we got him... He looks like a solid tackler!

interesting ! Eddie Johnson was 6'1", 220 lbs !

@gumby73 said:

Surprises me...

@dutch-oven said:

I will refer to Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah from now on as:

Tim.

i have that tee shirt

@gumby73 said:

MHO? "Little undersized" is why he dropped that far. He's going to be taking on TEs that have 30 pounds and several inches on him. Worth the risk. 1\2 of second round picks bust anyway. 

@orion said:

This makes sense.  I've been saying that this draft will probably define what this regime wants the Browns to be.   Last year was about 'becoming' a team, with the new coackes, GM, Playbook, etc.  And the draft was to get some guys to immediately fix big problems (like the 2 tackle positions).  They had very few picks to look for their 'vision' players.

We are now seeing their motto:    Fuckin' Fast !    (from now on I'll refer to it as 'Friggin')    I mean look where they went for the WR!   There were other receivers rated higher than the one we took.  But the one that WE took runs like a jack-rabbit.   Steph, Woods & Berry are going for speed.  Ya can't teach it.   

YEP ! I looked it up - Tyreek HIll of the Chiefs? ran a 4.29 forty.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/what-tyreek-hill-s-nfl-40-yard-dash-time#:~:text=One drill stood out more than the rest,a top speed of 19 miles per hour.

" One drill stood out more than the rest and that was Tyreek Hill's 40-yard dash time and speed. Tyreek Hill's 4.29 forty yard dash time was remarkable. Not to mention the wide receiver reached a top speed of 19 miles per hour. "

Everybody knows how much Hill means to the Chiefs' offense.

and Anthony Swartz ran a 4.26. Freaking FAST. AND he is a heck of a FOOTBALL PLAYER.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/anthony-schwartz-3-things-to-know-about-the-new-browns-wide-receiver/ar-BB1gfG8z

Going to be a FASTER Browns team going to the playoffs, I think.

@canton-mike said:

A friend went up Thursday night & said most of what he heard was that teams didn't know how to use him. If true, I think they'll regret passing him by. Great for us though.

Mike

I keep watching videos of him - and it occurred to me, that the squealers would have drafted him in that second round - they miss

having a blazing fast playmaker like Troy Wannacheapshotyu...who made crazy plays all over the place with his speed and instincts.

   He won't be just a WILL lb, Joe Woods will have him be the focus of attention by offenses... they had better know where he is to start every play. The Browns will be able to disguise plays that they couldn't do before, I think. Any creative DC would have loved to nab Owusu-Kamorah. I swear the squealers were going to nab him. The Browns knew they had to jump ahead.

   Going to be FUN to watch !

@unsympathetic said:

Leading with the head brigade should be lead by Shazier.. he did that even at OSU and ignored people who tried to have him change tackling form

Brodney Pool was a charter member of that club.

@gumby73 said:

he's a little unique in how he produces, little undersized, used in a variety of ways at Notre Dame, for us, in Joe Woods' scheme, everything he does well marries what we want at LB

This makes sense.  I've been saying that this draft will probably define what this regime wants the Browns to be.   Last year was about 'becoming' a team, with the new coackes, GM, Playbook, etc.  And the draft was to get some guys to immediately fix big problems (like the 2 tackle positions).  They had very few picks to look for their 'vision' players.

We are now seeing their motto:    Fuckin' Fast !    (from now on I'll refer to it as 'Friggin')    I mean look where they went for the WR!   There were other receivers rated higher than the one we took.  But the one that WE took runs like a jack-rabbit.   Steph, Woods & Berry are going for speed.  Ya can't teach it.   

( JoJo Natson's got his work cut out for him )