@calfoxwc said:

Oh, I know my perspectives are limited - never played. But it's kinda like enlisting and going through basic training two years after being sent home from being drafted because my knee was so bad. I was born a goofy, very stubborn comedian child. I'm retired now, and have an artificial knee. Too bad I didn't have one in '73. lol

btw, a while back, a friend sent me a picture of some animal poop on her deck and asked me what it could be. I said "rabbit turds, lol"

but my "smartphone" said "rabbit turfs" instead....

Your phone wasn't wrong, that's just rabbits establishing dominance - marking that territry (as pronounced by Steve Irwin)

@tiamat63 said:

They primarily play the same role - 7th man, box safety, 4th linebacker.   But Chinn, per football outsiders, took more snaps as the 3rd S/DB and boundary hash safety than Dugger.

Also, typed that last post on my phone and naturally auto correct had it's say.

Both are producing in the NFL, so at least in that respect we have the eye for DB talent.  

Oh, I know my perspectives are limited - never played. But it's kinda like enlisting and going through basic training two years after being sent home from being drafted because my knee was so bad. I was born a goofy, very stubborn comedian child. I'm retired now, and have an artificial knee. Too bad I didn't have one in '73. lol

btw, a while back, a friend sent me a picture of some animal poop on her deck and asked me what it could be. I said "rabbit turds, lol"

but my "smartphone" said "rabbit turfs" instead....

@calfoxwc said:

Productivity, Chinn is ahead. But it also depends on the defense, etc they play on, and the offenses they face, etc. The Patriots passed over Jeremy Chinn, in the draft... so I wasn't all that far off.

NOTE: I am the guy who spelled Dugger's name correctly though.

Kyle Dugger

Jeremy Chinn

They primarily play the same role - 7th man, box safety, 4th linebacker.   But Chinn, per football outsiders, took more snaps as the 3rd S/DB and boundary hash safety than Dugger.

Also, typed that last post on my phone and naturally auto correct had it's say.

Both are producing in the NFL, so at least in that respect we have the eye for DB talent.  

@tiamat63 said:

Remember, the last person who compared positional value between players was Cal with Jeremy Chinn and Kyle Digger - who, funny enough, also went to the Pats. 

Early return has my selection of Chinn ahead in that little race.

Productivity, Chinn is ahead. But it also depends on the defense, etc they play on, and the offenses they face, etc. The Patriots passed over Jeremy Chinn, in the draft... so I wasn't all that far off.

NOTE: I am the guy who spelled Dugger's name correctly though.

Kyle Dugger

Jeremy Chinn

@tiamat63 said:

It is - but it's still day two. Where I get my max IDL value in a weak(er) IDL class.

Remember, the last person who compared positional value between players was Cal with Jeremy Chinn and Kyle Digger - who, funny enough, also went to the Pats. 

Early return has my selection of Chinn ahead in that little race.

Time will tell. We'll revisit in 2-3 years to see where things are.

@the-gipper said:

When you say nose guard that contemplates in my mind them running a 3-4 type defense. Is that really what they plan?  

Antiquated terms.  But when Woods was in Denver, they did play a fair amount of blended gap 3 man base, actually more of a 40 under call but would look "3-4" to most eyes.   Think the early days of the Seahawks under coach Bradley.

Do I think he would like to deploy some of those sets?  yes. 

@tiamat63 said:

Yeah, no.  We have no substitute for a 6'2 330lb space eater at a nose or guard shade who will anchor well against natural doubles.

We want speed at the 2nd level? Have to keep them clean.

When you say nose guard that contemplates in my mind them running a 3-4 type defense. Is that really what they plan?  

@texasag1969 said:

And McNeil went in Round 3 (#72) your not adding, some 44 selections after Barmore (#38) with another DT (#41) in between. I'd say the drop from those first two to the 3rd pick is a fairly significant dropoff.

It is - but it's still day two. Where I get my max IDL value in a weak(er) IDL class.

Remember, the last person who compared positional value between players was Cal with Jeremy Chinn and Kyle Digger - who, funny enough, also went to the Pats. 

Early return has my selection of Chinn ahead in that little race.

@tiamat63 said:

Whom fell to day 2, you're not adding.  Just where I said McNeil would be.  Because the drop from 1 to 2 didn't look that steep on film when you discounted their respective assignments over the course of a season.

And McNeil went in Round 3 (#72) your not adding, some 44 selections after Barmore (#38) with another DT (#41) in between. I'd say the drop from those first two to the 3rd pick is a fairly significant dropoff.

@the-gipper said:

Well, if he does not work out....we may at least have a few candidates that could be The Answer.   Elliott, Jackson, McDowell, Togiai,  Hip to be Square.  If not one individual, then perhaps the collective of all of them can really gum things up to let  Clowney and Garrett and Wu and Phillips hopefully clean up on the edges. 

Yeah, no.  We have no substitute for a 6'2 330lb space eater at a nose or guard shade who will anchor well against natural doubles.

We want speed at the 2nd level? Have to keep them clean.

@tiamat63 said:

Whether we wish to admit it or not, the success of this defense - I.E. reaching the potential this personnel (on paper) appears to have, rests largely on the health and performance of Andrew Billings.

But you probably won't hear his name mentioned but a couple times between now and the regular season.  If he comes back and shows out like he did with Cincy in 2019, then the sky is the limit.  If he doesn't, and the Browns lack a suitable nose/shade replacement (which right now we have no answer to)  then.... Well, a defense that is weak right up the middle tends to not be a good defense.

Well, if he does not work out....we may at least have a few candidates that could be The Answer.   Elliott, Jackson, McDowell, Togiai,  Hip to be Square.  If not one individual, then perhaps the collective of all of them can really gum things up to let  Clowney and Garrett and Wu and Phillips hopefully clean up on the edges. 

@texasag1969 said:

And you wouldn't let me take Barmore-the first DT selected in the draft.?

Whom fell to day 2, you're not adding.  Just where I said McNeil would be.  Because the drop from 1 to 2 didn't look that steep on film when you discounted their respective assignments over the course of a season.

@tiamat63 said:

Whether we wish to admit it or not, the success of this defense - I.E. reaching the potential this personnel (on paper) appears to have, rests largely on the health and performance of Andrew Billings.

But you probably won't hear his name mentioned but a couple times between now and the regular season.  If he comes back and shows out like he did with Cincy in 2019, then the sky is the limit.  If he doesn't, and the Browns lack a suitable nose/shade replacement (which right now we have no answer to)  then.... Well, a defense that is weak right up the middle tends to not be a good defense.

And you wouldn't let me take Barmore-the first DT selected in the draft.?

But you probably won't hear his name mentioned but a couple times between now and the regular season.  If he comes back and shows out like he did with Cincy in 2019, then the sky is the limit.  If he doesn't, and the Browns lack a suitable nose/shade replacement (which right now we have no answer to)  then.... Well, a defense that is weak right up the middle tends to not be a good defense.

@7moses7 said:

Can he solve the crime of who stole all his money?????

Don King.    There, solved.

@unsympathetic said:

Mike Tyson is the namesake character of the Adult Swim animated cartoon Mike Tyson Mysteries.  He's a retired boxer who solves crimes!

Can he solve the crime of who stole all his money?????

@texasag1969 said:

Well I was only 11 at the time so there is no reason you would have to remember him. He did put up a courageous fight to go that long and then have his corner stop it when he wanted to keep fighting.

So did Chuck Wepner....upon whom Rocky was based. 

@the-gipper said:

Never heard of him. 
By the way the guys that lived in Orwell OH is a guy named Mike Tyson. He has since sold that house. 

Well I was only 11 at the time so there is no reason you would have to remember him. He did put up a courageous fight to go that long and then have his corner stop it when he wanted to keep fighting.

@texasag1969 said:

Roy Harris fought Patterson in 1958. He still lives in Cut and Shoot at age 87. He was knocked down 4 times before his corner stopped the fight in round 13. He also has the distinction of later going at the 2:35 mark in round one with Sonny Liston before the referee stopped the bout. Later also lost on points to Henry Cooper of England in a 10 rd. bout. He got out of the fight game at age 27 and became a practicing attorney in his small home town. He was county clerk for many years and drew up the papers for Cut and Shoot to become incorporated.

Never heard of him. 
By the way the guy that lived in Orwell OH is a guy named Mike Tyson. He has since sold that house. 

@the-gipper said:

Well  I am thinking of Randall Tex Cobb.   I don't know who he fought. 

Former Heavyweight Champion  Michael Dokes was from Akron.  (was because he died in 2012)

The the guy that lived in Orwell?    I will let mjp tell you that one. 

Roy Harris fought Patterson in 1958. He still lives in Cut and Shoot at age 87. He was knocked down 4 times before his corner stopped the fight in round 13. He also has the distinction of later going at the 2:35 mark in round one with Sonny Liston before the referee stopped the bout. Later also lost on points to Henry Cooper of England in a 10 rd. bout. He got out of the fight game at age 27 and became a practicing attorney in his small home town. He was county clerk for many years and drew up the papers for Cut and Shoot to become incorporated.

@ballpeen said:

A solid addition headed in to camp.  The guy isn't great, but he has to have something as long as he has played.

Agree

@texasag1969 said:

His first name starts with an R and he fought Floyd Patterson.

Well  I am thinking of Randall Tex Cobb.   I don't know who he fought. 

Former Heavyweight Champion  Michael Dokes was from Akron.  (was because he died in 2012)

The the guy that lived in Orwell?    I will let mjp tell you that one.