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Knee to head apparently... shades of our playoff game with them.

The Browns were coming off of a MASSIVE emotional high after beating Pitt.  They had end of season COVID issues (essentially a large number of guys coming back from it: including the HC).  The defensive personnel for Cleveland completely different.  The offense adds OBJ. 
 

Last year I wanted no part of a shootout with KC.

Shocking to say but I see KC…easing this young offensive line in (it is a much better unit but it’s gonna take time) and sticking to bread and butter run concepts and just taking a few shots downfield and employing the East and west quick pass game for the most part.  They want nothing to do with Myles vs Niang. They don’t know what looks this new defense will give to their young talented Center. 
 

We have to be prepared to play in a smaller box and stop the run and tackle WR/Backs/TE on the perimeter. 
 

Im going to be very surprised if we don’t play well.  
 

Prediction coming next week…

@pat-mahomo said:

This is the best thing I've ever seen.  LOL

You guys went 5-3 in those 8 games including a loss to the JETS.  You guys also played a collection of some of the worst defenses over that 8 games.  ....and of course, in a playoff game VS Kc, in wich Mahomes left early in the third quarter...you guys generated 17 points, and 300 total yards of offense.  

Baker, in his 2 starts VS Mahomes in the NFL is 0-2 

Well, looking back at the 2020 season, the Browns were #22 in points allowed per game. The only way we were beating teams was usually by Baker putting up 40 points.  Browns 2021 defense much improved. Top draft picks Williams and Delpit didn't play a down last year .The defensive secondary was a mess.  Garrett missed time because of covid, and when he came back he was far from 100%. OBJ lost 1\2 the season because of that ACL.  

As they say in investing RE: Baker- Mahomes... past performance is no indicator of future success... 

The one thing the Chiefs have going for them is the Browns unrivaled string of suckage in openers. Oh fer since 2005, with one tie. 

@mr.-make-believe said:

The Chiefs aren’t going 1-0, let alone 20

I love the confidence. But do you really feel this way? I wouldn't expect us to beat possibly the best team with perhaps a Hall of Fame coach. Chiefs WILL be ready...hopefully we will too! 

You guys went 5-3 in those 8 games including a loss to the JETS.  You guys also played a collection of some of the worst defenses over that 8 games.  ....and of course, in a playoff game VS Kc, in wich Mahomes left early in the third quarter...you guys generated 17 points, and 300 total yards of offense.  

Baker, in his 2 starts VS Mahomes in the NFL is 0-2 

@gumby73 said:

It's time to get busy on what the Browns think of KC going 20-0.. It's about us !

Don't confuse him with more solid statistics... His brain will have a cluster fuck...

@pat-mahomo said:

Vs Minnesoata tonight. KC's 1's on O, vs Min 1's on D.  2 drives, 2 TD.

Minny 1's on O VS KC 1's on D.  2 drives, 1 FG and 1 3 and out.

KC looked strong.  probably a better team than the teams that made the last 2 super bowls.  

Not going to be a good day for the Browns on opening day.  You'll need 35+ to pull the upset.

You look stupid right now. And your setting yourself up to look really stupid if the browns win week 1. 

It's time to get busy on what the Browns think of KC going 20-0.. It's about us !

O : Dalvin Cook, Justin Jefferson, Adam Thielen

D : Danielle Hunter, Patrick Peterson, Harrison Smith, Eric Kendricks, Anthony Barr

Surely none of these players would have had any impact on the game with KC.  I agree with all internet conclusions!

@pat-mahomo said:

Vs Minnesoata tonight. KC's 1's on O, vs Min 1's on D.  2 drives, 2 TD.

Minny 1's on O VS KC 1's on D.  2 drives, 1 FG and 1 3 and out.

KC looked strong.  probably a better team than the teams that made the last 2 super bowls.  

Not going to be a good day for the Browns on opening day.  You'll need 35+ to pull the upset.

The Chiefs might very well be very, very good this season. They might even blow the doors off the Browns in Week 1.

But you look like a boob using a preseason game to try and push this agenda. 

Minny 1's on O VS KC 1's on D.  2 drives, 1 FG and 1 3 and out.

KC looked strong.  probably a better team than the teams that made the last 2 super bowls.  

Not going to be a good day for the Browns on opening day.  You'll need 35+ to pull the upset.

@pat-mahomo said:

Regarding Jones.....he IS athletic enough and fast enough to make it work on the outside.  He will be out at end quite a bit, but not always.  We don't lose anything when he's there.  He wouldn't be there if we hadn't signed Jarran Reed....KC also feels the depth at DT is strong so Jones at End is going to be a thing.  It's looked good so far.  PS...the Cardinals went 3 and out in their first 6 or so drives with their 1's vs our 1's.  KC's defense will be improved from last year when it was decent and good VS the pass.   this year will be better.  its a better overall group.

Also, I am not oblivous to the fact that Cleveland has the leagues best O-line.  

Your missing the fact, Browns Backs,TE's & WR's team block better than a preseason Zona... Jones will see this coming from the edge too..KC preseason week 1 at 49'ers.. come prepared for that...

preseason-Zona, ain't close to 49'ers or Browns, when it comes to setting up offensive unit blocking..   

@pat-mahomo said:

Vegas has this game at KC -6.

Only SF At Detroit (Det +7.5)

and Chi At Rams (LA +7)

Have bigger spreads.

Vegas thinks the difference in talent between KC and Cleveland is about the same as the difference in talent between Chi and the Rams.  I don't think you fine Browns fans appreciate just how loaded KC is.....and like most fan bases, you overestimate your own dudes. ....I don't do that....Vegas and I clearly think very highly of the Chiefs.

Week 1 won't be fun for you.

Betting odds mean nothing...  Vegas thinks a lot of uneducated bettors are going to take the Chiefs to cover based on reputation. Let me remind you the Browns were 5.5 point dogs last year in the playoff game against the Steelers.       

Sure, the Chiefs have a great team. But with a seriously upgraded defense- so do the Browns. It's been a long, long time since I was able to say that. 

One thing the Chieftains have going for them is the Browns unrivaled ongoing record streak of opening game losses.   

But The Browns aren’t here to arrive in Week 1..week 8…week 12….week 17…it is survive advance…win a division be one better than the team just to the southEast, our cross state rival and the team with a crab problem…stay healthy…get hot at the right time…have a little luck…have some career years.

I don’t know what to expect.

But….

It is hard to go 20-0 when you start 0-1

Zombo said:

So Vegas thinks you have a 3 point better team.

Seeing as you represented the AFC in the Super Bowl the last two years and beat us in the playoffs last year, that seems fair.

You seem like that guy that starts talking loud when he gets nervous.

Z

It's all good Z....looking forward to that week 1 game.....should be interesting.

Also, I am not oblivous to the fact that Cleveland has the leagues best O-line.  I am not trying to say Cleveland sucks.  Far from it.  You should win your divison, win a lot of games and very well could meet us again in the playoffs.  For as good and promising as your team is....I am just saying KC is still better and week 1, AT KC is going to be a rough day.

@pat-mahomo said:

Vegas has this game at KC -6.

Only SF At Detroit (Det +7.5)

and Chi At Rams (LA +7)

Have bigger spreads.

Vegas thinks the difference in talent between KC and Cleveland is about the same as the difference in talent between Chi and the Rams.  I don't think you fine Browns fans appreciate just how loaded KC is.....and like most fan bases, you overestimate your own dudes. ....I don't do that....Vegas and I clearly think very highly of the Chiefs.

Week 1 won't be fun for you.

Vegas also made money off (you) the suckers in the Superbowl knowing the KC Oline was going to get trashed but lived off the performance against the Bills.

Are you going to rebuttal my point about Chris Jones?

Only SF At Detroit (Det +7.5)

and Chi At Rams (LA +7)

Have bigger spreads.

Vegas thinks the difference in talent between KC and Cleveland is about the same as the difference in talent between Chi and the Rams.  I don't think you fine Browns fans appreciate just how loaded KC is.....and like most fan bases, you overestimate your own dudes. ....I don't do that....Vegas and I clearly think very highly of the Chiefs.

Week 1 won't be fun for you.

@nickers said:

Can't wait til the Browns kick KC's ass in 4 weeks.. Let's see then if you're man enough to come back and talk shit.. or eat crow.. You are just like those ass hat stooler and rat bird fans... Blinded by homerism and sheer stupidity.... I guess you never saw 'Any given Sunday"

Blinded by homerism? That’s this entire forum ?

as for sheer stupidity, go to the political forum. It’s all over there. ( On both sides )?

@pat-mahomo said:

KC was up 19-3 with 4 minutes left in the 3rd quarter wich is about when Mahomes went out.  KC was up 16-3 when the endzone fumble thing happend.

So the 1 in 10,000 hit caused a 10 point swing just before the half. Otherwise it's a one score game in the third quarter.

Like I said, that's about as toe to toe as it gets. Especially against a good team in one of the best stadiums in the country.

Get at me when you find your way back to reality and want to address my counter points on Chris Jones.  Otherwise, despite saying you're not trying to be an asshole... that's all you really have offered. 

@pat-mahomo said:

Wow...you guys sure remember that game alot differently the most people.

KC was up 19-3 with 4 minutes left in the 3rd quarter wich is about when Mahomes went out.  KC was up 16-3 when the endzone fumble thing happend.

KC finished with 438 total yards to Clevelands 308.  KC also outrushed Cleveland 123 to 112....  Cleveland was also 3 for 3 on 4th down ...and still couldn't generate any yards.  

That was "toe to toe"?

Can't wait til the Browns kick KC's ass in 4 weeks.. Let's see then if you're man enough to come back and talk shit.. or eat crow.. You are just like those ass hat stooler and rat bird fans... Blinded by homerism and sheer stupidity.... I guess you never saw 'Any given Sunday"

KC was up 19-3 with 4 minutes left in the 3rd quarter wich is about when Mahomes went out.  KC was up 16-3 when the endzone fumble thing happend.

KC finished with 438 total yards to Clevelands 308.  KC also outrushed Cleveland 123 to 112....  Cleveland was also 3 for 3 on 4th down ...and still couldn't generate any yards.  

That was "toe to toe"?

@pat-mahomo said:

Keep in Mind Andy Ried with Mahomes is undefeated in September.  He has them ready to go when it's time to go.

I hear a lot of that from *ichigan fans over the last 10 years or so.     Rather win in September or in January?   

As for Chris Jones being moved around - I'm watching the game right now.  Not necessarily seeing this as a net positive for your team on early downs.   You've taken your best interior disruptor and parked him 4i.   He isn't winning the edge, and you're allowing Baker interior pocket integrity.   So whoever your weakside edge is, Clark or otherwise, is going to get a heavy dose to that side or ISO to that replacement 3tech.    Also shows something the Cards went at early in that pre-season game then sort of pocketed for another time - the smoke and flanker screens to that side.    Betting on a big boy not being fast enough (not saying that Chris Jones isn't a good athlete for his size) but hoping he can get in and help clean up with pursuit after getting off the line.  That's a tall order for anyone 290lbs.    On top of doing what CLE did last time - calling the game in reverse and passing to run.

You're also not considering, despite your claimed "objectiveness" that Cleveland went toe to toe with KC in their house before Mahomes was out.    This is also ignoring, or simply looking at your team and matchup in a vacuum, that the Browns have made improvements both offensively but most obviously defensively as well.    Of course KC has the offense to exploit just about any defensive personnel.  But how do you figure we go from slug fest to blow out in the course of one off-season?

It would take a series of turnovers and poor execution for this to not somehow end up being a great game.

Try again.